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MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?

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Whiterangey · 27/06/2018 19:38

Are charities being used by MLMer's to gain CC's, gain new leads, and get rid of stock?

Here is an example of a top Forever Living Business Owner in the UK taking advantage of a charity.

It may look like she is doing something good for the charity but she isn't. The charity will be getting 20% of profits. The business owner, the current UK number 2 in Forever Living, who recently picked up a $420,000 cheque at the Forever Living global rally in Dallas is just getting her Case Credits (CC's) up, and hoping to get new leads to sign up under her.

For everything that she sold Forever Living will have taking the biggest cut, then the business owners upline will have taken a cut, and then the business owner herself. Her profit will be very small and then she was only going to give away to the charity 20% of that. It could be as little as £10, probably a lot less, despite the members of the group spending hundreds of pounds with her. I hope she had the decency to at least add to it. For a 'charity night' where someone who has received multi-million dollars in cheques, and received $420k two months ago you'd expect at least 3 figures to be donated. 20% of her profits from that night will have been ridiculously small.

The charity will be getting even less as you can see she is running special offers which will come out of her profit, reducing the amount available to the charity even more.

As you can see in one of the screenshots someone in the local area of the charity attempted to warn the charity that the business owners motives may not be as charitable as it seems and the business owner wants to take the discussion away from public view, and then deleted the reply instead of giving a reply to show that the poster was wrong. She can't show the poster is wrong as the poster is right so instead chose to make it all go away.

The screenshot of a slide is one used by someone in the business owners downline, who correctly refers to the charity night as 'a launch' which is what it was, it wasn't for charity, it was for the business owner to sell her products and hopefully get some new recruits to her business.

The same business owner last year set up a justgiving page for donations to make up 'Positive Packs' to give to those suffering with breast cancer.

"The cost is 20 pounds which is non profit making and the pack value is worth far more. This will fund a Positive Pack containing Forever Toothgel, Aloe lips, Ever Shield Deodorant, fast break bar and some woolly socks and to every pack I will personally add a heat lotion, an aloe gelly and a herbal blossom tea sachet and an aloe to go."

So the donations will be used by the business owner to buy the items through her own account where she will make a profit from receiving a percentage of what is spent. She will also receive case credits from that. The case credits she received from sending out these Positive Packs will have gone towards her getting the $420k cheque in Dallas in April. So non-profit is not true as the business owner will be profiting in two ways.

The items can also be bought for a LOT less elsewhere, a tube of toothpaste can cost £1 from a supermarket, a stick of deodorant the same. I also wouldn't call toothpaste and deodorant something that anyone pampers themselves with, they are necessities.

The business owner will have used Forever Living products in the bags despite the recipients getting a lot less, and no luxury items, because she benefited herself from doing so. She also would have been able to, and did, use the Positive Packs to advertise Forever Living Products, and at least some of them were given out at a big presentation where the business owner would have been able to present her business opportunity there, some of whom are very vulnerable.

MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
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TheMonkeyMummy · 31/07/2018 21:58

Ooooohhh I just got in a social media heated debate with two reps for essential oils... my blood is boiling

cozietoesie · 31/07/2018 22:36

Did they say owt about the notion of recruiting at a funeral???

TheMonkeyMummy · 31/07/2018 23:09

Ha! No, thank goodness. But they were trying to push their pure and superior product onto a mum wanting to protect her baby from winter viruses.

cozietoesie · 31/07/2018 23:19

Sheez!

(Going for the emotional jugular every time.)

PoohBear219 · 31/07/2018 23:48

It’s easy for outsiders to see a pyramid and a scam. Originally reading these threads I just wanted to protect people from being ripped off and losing money.

I know it’s been said before but it’s insidious and I believe can truly damage people. It’s the whole materialistic - making 6 figures and buying things.

I can only imagine that if you are already struggling a bit and feeling down, being told the only thing preventing you having these things is your own negativity (it’s your fault) is really damaging. What does it do to your self-esteem?

Also I hate the attraction marketing that you should be living a millionaire lifestyle and being flash. Once you get wrapped up in that it’s dangerous territory. You do not need an LV bag or a big white car to find happiness. Most of us will never have money to chuck away but that doesn’t mean we’re failing at life.

As for the guilt of not working hard enough!

I think you are doing great work on these threads - even just stopping one person from becoming ripped off / damaged / booted.

Thank you

cozietoesie · 01/08/2018 01:59

What gets me in particular is the way that they seek out vulnerabilities and play to them. What that might do to people?..........'damage' might be an understatement.

I'd welcome thoughts from those who post on these threads but were previously involved in MLM activity....... Do you still feel any tugs? And how has it affected you in the long term?

IdontunderstandPicasso · 01/08/2018 08:17

@cozietoesie we have been friends for 10years but it is now a once/twice a year visit friendship. I am seeing her later this month so will assess the situation then. I bloody hope she doesn’t bring her make up to show me. I wear a full face (way more than her) so I would be an ideal target. I will stick with my Mac make up! I will have a blunt conversation when I see her if I need to.
She has a friend on her Facebook who clearly sells it too. Loads of “look at my new look” photos. She must be her own best customer Hmm

SSDGM · 01/08/2018 11:09

Fair to say from last night’s zoom, TS definitely stands for Total Shite.

Nothing adds up.
If Messiah has 1000 signed up already as the top bots are claiming and they all drop the maximum £200 on launch day, he’s going to be doing very, very well.

ArbunneHun · 01/08/2018 11:43

But he’s “doing it for the little guy”!

How was the accent?

SSDGM · 01/08/2018 12:28

It wasn’t hosted by him, it was his US and UK top bots. Both showing their “amazing weight loss” thanks to magic drops and mint chocolate milkshakes.

SSDGM · 01/08/2018 12:29

People were asking questions but they were told to put any queries to their upline and didn’t answer regarding where the products were sourced, ingredients, price and from one participant in particular- exactly how their impossible maths worked.

BangingOn · 01/08/2018 13:23

Do you think they were expecting those questions from people?

I am so upset by my JP PMD bot’s status- she’s just shared a photo of a heavily pregnant team member who gave birth yesterday but still managed to be on her 6am Zoom call this morning. Apparently it’s all down to those ‘magic beans’ eg JP supplements. I can’t comprehend how she thinks it’s something to brag about, that poor woman Angry

SSDGM · 01/08/2018 14:10

I think a few of the anti MLM Coalition May have sneaked in. 😃 The rest of the comments were “AMAZING ⭐️⭐️⭐️“ “EEEEK!!!” Etc. Standard.

BangingOn · 01/08/2018 14:20

Niiiiice! I always wonder how much of a voice of reason there is amongst the Bots, or whether they are so brainwashed by this point that they wouldn’t think to challenge.

Etymology23 · 01/08/2018 14:28

Hey, I think my friend may be becoming involved in an MLM; Tropic. As far as I can see, all are non-ideal but some are more insidious than others. I’ve had a bit of a
look but the info I can find online seems fairly limited. Do any of you guys know more please?

Whiterangey · 01/08/2018 14:41

You all missed something about the recruiting at a funeral.

It was a child's funeral.

She tried to recruit at a child's funeral.

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Norma27 · 01/08/2018 15:02

Whiterangey that is so disgusting. If that was my child I would hope I could keep my dignity at their funeral and not do something very violent to them.
How can these people be so brainwashed in these cults that they cannot are how evil that is.

ArbunneHun · 01/08/2018 15:20

Did you recognise any of the UK Total Shite top bots? Are they all former Vida people?

Messiah made a very big deal about having signed up some ‘Top global leaders’ so I’m intrigued to know who these amazing people might be.

Whiterangey · 01/08/2018 15:41

I'm desperate to know what Messiah is going to do at launch, whether he will just take the money and run, or if he has actually made products. We know he has had a few made, but making enough would cost a lot of money.

I can see him just disappearing with the money, but I can also see him being so full of himself that he truly believes he is creating a billion euro company. He is surrounded by yes men, well women, who worship the ground he walks on and tell him that every single day. His ego is so big it likely has it's own postcode.

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BSintolerant · 01/08/2018 21:10

I wasn't aware bots were trying to recruit at a child's funeral (which paints such horrible behaviour in an even worse light - if such a thing were possible) the poor poster on the other thread said it happened at her daughter's funeral. Bots using anyone's funeral to recruit have no shame.

Such is the power of cults and brainwashing. It's disturbing, it really is.

Toobusytowee · 01/08/2018 23:03

Please can I ask for a little information? I have been asked to source a rough estimate of how much money people tend to lose in MLMs in the U.K. (from someone involved in a very interesting project).

It would be great if I could have some real examples. If anyone reading this is willing to tell me, please will you let me know how much money you lost over what time frame? The name of the MLM isn’t essential but might help paint a picture. You can answer here or in a PM if you like.

Thanks so much.

cozietoesie · 01/08/2018 23:12

Please help Toobusy if you can. She works away for us all behind the scenes and is a 'good cause'. (She's also discreet as all get out.)

ArbunneHun · 02/08/2018 06:17

I’ve been asked the same question, @Toobusy. I’m going through some old DMs to see whether I have anything.

PerryPerryThePlatypus · 02/08/2018 07:38

Did you see the baby's room in Messiahs girlfriends parents house? Now I'm am purely speculating and in no way have this on good authority but it seems very overly done for granny's house.
On a completely separate point you have to live apart to claim benefits.

CurlsandCurves · 02/08/2018 07:42

It’s been a long time since I was in FL but thinking back I’d say I lost at least a grand a year in the 2-3 years I was properly ‘in’. Mostly spent on trainings, success days, books, cds, fuel. Didn’t go mad with stock but I did buy the big makeup kit. And once put in a huge order because I was so close to making a promotion and wanted to hit it- so I bought it.

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