We are fully registered - no yawning allowed - it's MLM Botwatch 32!

[GavinFromTradingStandards]

Pm me for more info Huns

You've got to laugh at some of the inconsistencies of bot's posts.

One minute it's all about how they don't work over half term, they are there 100% for their kids and then in the next breath they start posting about meeting with potential new recruits or existing team members plus they go on to invite others who might be interested to get in touch and meet for coffee. Erm...what about you being fortunate enough not to work and being there for your kids ??

My bot was pulled up on a great one recently...when her family changed their car a while ago she implied they were getting an Audi R8. However she obviously forgot that and the car appeared in a photo , it's a Kia! (her husband's ex pulled her up on it and a slanging match ensued. Classy 😉

Hi botwatchers,

I lurk quite frequently on these threads as I've had a few brushes with bots IRL and am morbidly fascinated! However you're all so knowledgeable I don't have much to contribute.

I've got a question for you - has anyone heard of an organisation called "MM Revelation"? A woman I know on Facebook has been posting a bit about them recently and the language around it is all so vague and shady-sounding I thought it HAD to be some sort of MLM or similar scam. There's no actual information on their website or FB page - they hold a lot of seminars where you can find out more, apparently. Not clear if there's a product involved.

All their posts have a vaguely "spiritual" sounding air, but quickly start mentioning the "secret to wealth" and being "part of a movement". Almost sounds like a cult. I'm a bit worried about this woman - I don't know her well, but she's nice and I hope she isn't losing money to these people.

Anyway, was wondering if any of you had heard of this. Want to be armed with information if and when I get approached about it!

Definitely looks mlm-ish. One link I clicked on talked about showing others how to earn £5k of passive income a month.

The fact that Alex Reid, Katie Prices ex, is involved as one of the leaders and key speakers is a big red flag in itself!

A little more digging and the product is a water filter!

Guy at the top is called Eric Ho and he’s a shady character by all accounts, string of failed businesses behind him

erichoscam.com/mm-revelation-review/

Ah. It’s Water!

By the way, please don’t show any of the ...........promotional videos to anyone who is a scientist. (Not unless you are prepared to invest heavily in the Amber Liquid to restore them after they collapse. )

Thanks Curls and cozie, I'm now down a MLM/ Kangen water rabbit hole!

Currently have a video playing in the background of Eric Ho and his mates extolling the virtues of this water filter, 'cos it's so important to have an alkalized body doncha know. (I'm not a scientist but it all sounds highly suspect).

Anyway, it sounds just as I suspected - the charismatic, mysterious sales pitch to make people feel a sense of belonging, then the dubious health claims. Next up, no doubt, the demands for cash. Ugh.

Large amounts of cash as well.

Just got to the bit in the video where they claim that you need to wash your fruit and veg in Kangen water! Because it can wash herbicides and pesticides off tomatoes! FFS.

Oh, if you don't do this you're exposing your family to cancerous toxins.

And for ‘only’ €4,000

If you buy the ‘good one’ that is.

I've seen the Kangen water demo in person. We were offered the chance of eating tomatoes washed in their special water (a FL rep oohed and aahed in all the right places) and the rep compared other types of water to battery acid and basically said we'd get cancer if we drank anything else

Was anybody at the demo overcome by all this? (Other than those giving it, I mean.)

Bot job titles are extraordinary - just found a “senior managing director”.

Stokeflatbot has done a post saying he’s “all out”. Seems there’s major problems in the new coffee business. Wonder if it’s going the same way as the old one?

The irony too......he's saying that mlm is all just smoke screens and the whole industry is sh*t. Funny how he didn't seem to admit to that when he was trying to recruit new victims into every single one of the schemes he was involved with!

Maybe he’ll have a Damascene conversion to some new MLM - you know. The one that’s ‘different’ from the others.

crumpet
My friend quickly became an ‘International Business Coach and Six Figure Income Developer’ after spending 200 quid on a ‘business in a box’

🤣🤣🤣

There’s hundreds of Juice Plus CEOs out there! Board meetings must be interesting 😂

Have read Flatbot’s latest outpourings can someone explain the difference between MLM and referral marketing?

So, the question remains, is he going now now get a JOB to support his soon to be family of 5?

Ah, no. His Facebook is an ATM now, or some shit.

I think referral marketing is where you get people to buy stuff through a company website and you get a cut of the profit. Usually because the products themselves are actually illegal to sell person to person in this country. That's what I've heard people calling their relationship with Xerveo.

Montanna, I wrote a blog piece about MLMs and that alkaline body pseudoscience crap the other day. I'll have to add this MLM you mention the article.

botwatch.blog/2017/10/22/mlm-meets-quackery/

Thanks for that, Toobusy.

It’s all kicking off in coffee world now.

Apparently stokeflatbots company is merging with his ex’s company. Depending what comments you read one of them might have folded or it might be a merge- can’t really work it all out.

However , people are not happy and haven’t received coffee for months and aren’t sure they will receive it now.

I just can’t get over how bent this whole industry is. No matter what my opinions of bots are they seem to get (or allow themselves to get) repeatedly shafted.

I hope lipbot and her bloke didn’t take out the lease on that Porsche after all...

Thing is, Jonesy, these people are desperate. They are often single mums, or people who didn’t really do well at school or have boring, menial jobs. Often getting by on minimum wages and benefits. No shame in that. Hold your head high, crack on, love your kids and do your best. Then someone like lipbot comes along, all hairdo and pout and designer handbag and says “I was like you and then I flogged a bit of this coffee and I’m now Cinderella!” And they eat it all up.
What they don’t hear about is the distant aunt who left them a small fortune or the boyfriend who earns 6 figures, or, in the case of my Vida bot (who has gone very quiet recently) £20k of debt on credit cards, the overdraft and the stock sitting in the garage since she bought her promotions. Next thing the upline has disappeared and they’re still trying to convince the mums at the school how great this tea is and don’t listen to the last mum I sold it to who ended up at the walk in centre with severe gastritis within 3 days of trying it..

The people at the top have feathered their nests, once more and buggered off.

If anything what has happened with Xerveo and Valentus and very soon Vida in the UK has restored my faith in the protection given to consumers in the UK. In the US it appears you can make all kinds of bullshit claims and still sell your snake oil. The last two mlms to fall on their arses over here have been because of packaging and health claims that have fallen foul of EU and UK law.