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MLM Bot Watch 25 - Powered by Twunk's Yazoo: Tragicomic cultic wampum flogging scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus, LifeTreeWorld (RIP)

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MyCatsHateMLMtoo · 02/08/2016 09:48

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gottaloveascamhun · 03/09/2016 17:55

Such sad news about CAM. Thinking of her poor family.

xenu1 · 04/09/2016 12:34

forevercrass wrote: £60 for the tickets.
Many thx, yes £30 a day. (Thats what a legitimate act would charge). The Echo Arena has 11k capacity, so if FL fill it that's £660k for starters.... In the Amway heyday they had 4 major events p.a. ("Family Reunion, Free Enterprise Day" etc). They could get 10k attendees @ $300 a pop. $250k to rent the auditorium, $250k for a keynote speaker and thats $2.5million profit for the high pins to share... the duped IBOs following "The System" are gradually fleeced, but then you never give a sucker an even break...

EauDeParslaii · 04/09/2016 13:09

xenu that's a hell of a lot of #blessed #huns... -.- x

cozietoesie · 04/09/2016 13:24

I seem to recall that there's also a great deal of selling going on - DVDs, 'inspirational etcs', food and beverages and so on. I think your entry fee is just that - 'entry'.

xenu1 · 04/09/2016 13:48

*cozie" of course you are right (and there's nothing new in this. From "Fake It 'Til You Make It," Phil Kerns' amway expose book from 1982! (www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/AUS/tools.htm)

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"As soon as Mark closed the door, he focused his gaze towards me. Then, and very much the same way that he would open a sermon, he threw his arms outright and began to exclaim.

"Phil, you must become a Direct Distributor before September! Don't get me wrong. You're doing a great job, but you are going to have to sponsor a lot more people into this business if you want to make it! Lester Cannon wants you to be the guest speaker at his convention this fall. There will probably be over 15,000 people present. Can you imagine that? As an author, just think of all the money you'll make selling your books! You will need a semitrailer full of books to accommodate this crowd!" (Not until much later did realize the full impact of his emphasis on selling books.)

Our eyes remained riveted on Mark as he stormed back and forth across the room delivering his message.

"Phil, you have to be there! You won't believe this mob. They are the wildest and most excited group of people you will ever witness in your entire life. When Lester stand up and commands them to go to the back of the room and buy books, they obey!. It's crazy, but it's foolproof. It's simple. You'll walk out of that convention with a suitcase full of money.!"

"Man, they'll fill their arms full with books. They'll buy them by the case and run home to give them to their friends, downlines and anyone even remotely interested in the business."

"Listen to me, Phil! Last year I walked out of Lester's convention with two briefcases full of money from selling motivational books. I made over $100,000 in cash in one night. We're talking about 'megabucks.' You can do the same thing. I'm counting on you now.

Page 38 [describing events at a Portland rally] Mark obliged and together we hurried downstairs. It was a simple matter for Mark, since he was a star speaker, to introduce me to everyone and thus allow me the privilege of complete freedom all around the platform as well as backstage.

Now leaning on the stage, I had a bird's eye view of everything. I could hear the various Diamonds in another room arguing about who was going to get what share of the booty from this event. I watched Tom's wife, Debbie Anne Kenney, scurry back and forth with proceeds from the ticket sales. She was stacking money upon a table and seeking the assistance of others to count it. Most of the tickets, I was told, were sold prior to this particular event. However, tickets could still be purchased at the gates.

It was, indeed, a very interesting evening. Up on stage there was much talk of villas, cruises, expensive cars, banking practices and upcoming events. In the hallways, tables were heaped full of tapes, books and lots of American memorabilia. Events similar to this could go on all day and all weekend. Were there spinoffs? You bet. The record breaking ticket sales, catered dinners, books and cassettes were just a few. Others include soft drinks, hot dogs, calendars and even bumper stickers. At some of these events, it was not uncommon to see additional spinoffs such as the sale of suits, jewels and automobiles. All of these were considered "tools of the trade"--even custom-tailored suits. Whoever sponsored the event was like any well- schooled promoter. He would make certain that he profited from absolutely everything, if possible, sold at this event.

My thoughts came back to my own business. As the meeting continued in the auditorium, I went upstairs to question Mark as he supervised the sale of hundreds of books and tape packets.

"Mark, when I continually sponsor and don't retail as you have instructed, I don't make any profit. But tonight the light has really dawned on me. I have invited all my downlines to this event, and they will probably pay the asking price of $39 for your tape packet and purchase a myriad of motivational books, not to mention the admission fee, all of which will benefit no one except those putting on this gig, right?"

I did not receive a response. Mark has a unique way of ignoring a person when he want to but can keep right on smiling as he does. Mark was now autographing motivational packets. After a few moments he finally backed away from the table. He reached out and draped his arm across my shoulders. With a squeezy clasp and a smile, Mark led me across the hall to the stadium entryway. Thousands were crammed into the stadium singing, "God Bless America."

Together we stood and watched this spectacle. Hundreds now stood, many holding hands, and some swaying to the song's cadence.

"Look, Phil, they're happy. Just Look! That's what counts. You want to take that away from them?"

I couldn't believe my ears. I turned and solemnly walked away from my sponsor. My wife was waiting down the hall, and together we left this event in Portland, very disillusioned. Already we had spent hundreds of dollars on rallies and seminars prior to this particular "Free Enterprise Day." Well, it wasn't free. We weren't equals. Those who organized this event would walk away with their attache cases full of cash, just as they had previously predicted. The sponsors of these events almost always insist that tickets be paid in cash only. At many events I have seen doormen ask that checks be made out to "cash." No receipts are given.

I was now convinced how my uplines perceived this business. It was a colossal plan aimed to appeal only to selfishness and carnality: the obsession of money and things, regardless of the price. Their briefcases full of money was sufficient evidence of that.

Our zeal was gone. We were now uncertain about our future in this business. I assured my wife that our friends and family members were more important than all the money in the world. Besides, the Amway business, as we were instructed to conduct it, was showing us little or no profit. This evening was additional proof that the big money, indeed, was being made by a very select few, and not by selling soap.

Later we learned that many times these events were scheduled to be held concurrently with a function being offered by the Amway Corporation--the same date and the same city. The hosts would urge their downlines to attend their rally rather than the Amway sponsored event.

Were the leaders really wanting to motivate these people, or were they wanting these individuals to spend money for their own profit? I felt I had already seen enough. Certainly over the months I had witnessed, unknowingly, millions of dollars being cleverly siphoned away from thousands of unsuspecting Amway distributors.
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forevercrass · 04/09/2016 21:42

From reading the bots posts there were 3,000 people there. One top bot had her 11 year old daughter speak...again!
There is ample opportunity there to spend more money on merchandise, food, product etc. And then of course the socialising afterwards and accommodation.
Very pricey weekend indeed. Not to forget the brainwashing that occurs whilst there. That will see a few keep going for a few more months.

Spongebobette · 04/09/2016 22:09

"Always make sure that you are at every single Success Day" says a top bot in a clip I've just watched.
Another top bot saying she was going to lead a 'training' on prospecting
It's all really rather sickening.

cozietoesie · 04/09/2016 22:49

A sort of 'Pay to pay'.

ForeverYazoonique · 05/09/2016 09:42

My ItWorks bot has gotten herself sucked in by my Herbalife bot! I don't think they knew eachother. The Herbalife bot has been in it for 15 years and seems to be a top bot...

Anyway, cue lots of photos of some pretty revolting looking shakes and the usual garbage about healthiness. Oh and the shake is fucking Aloe Vera.

NorbertDentressangle · 05/09/2016 10:08

I just don't get the Success Days - why would you pay to go to a training run by your bosses only to be told the same old shit time and time again?

The more I think about it the more I'm convinced it's some sort of mass hypnosis to keep the bots compliant and to ensure they don't wake up to the reality of their situation.

Toobusytowee · 05/09/2016 10:29

That's exactly what is happening Norbert. Bright lights, music, repetition, clapping, droning voices. People will literally be put into a trance and take on board messages without realising.

cozietoesie · 05/09/2016 10:34

Read your '1984' again, Norbert. (It's actually a cracking read as well as anything else.)

Some people are genuinely overcome by MLM razzmatazz but many/most just can't resist the piling on of the social manipulation to participate. It doesn't let up for them - quite deliberately so.

xenu1 · 05/09/2016 11:06

norbert et al - exactly. Its cultish behaviour and reinforces allegiance. Its well described too in the Baffler Amway article thebaffler.com/salvos/dreams-incorporated
They go from seminar to seminar, told to follow the upline and dont be sidetracked by negative thinking from outside etc. And the more a dupe invests the harder it is to leave - the harder to realise you've been conned. The tapes too reinforce the mantra - stay on the system, buy and listen to the tapes, pay and attend all functions - the training system is the source of top pins' profits (but you knew that of course! :))

ForeverYazoonique · 05/09/2016 11:28

Just having a little chortle at the juice plus wankers Facebook page. And of course our very own timeless vie.

It's interesting re the brainwashing. It's very much social pressure being used to control women. Get people involved, make it all-consuming so you have time for little else, and then also dominate their social lives so they are scared to leave lest they lose their friends.

As I've said before, it's actually brilliant. Fucking scary, but brilliant.

NorbertDentressangle · 05/09/2016 12:18

Fucking scary, but brilliant - sums it up perfectly.

Spongebobette · 05/09/2016 12:41

Getting them to censor their own thoughts and keep a tight rein on what they look at online scares me.

cozietoesie · 05/09/2016 12:46

Remember the illustrative MLM churn rates. You can't fool all of the people all of the time. (Not everyone leaves because they're bankrupt.)

Annie65 · 05/09/2016 13:09

Just brought the book 1984 on my kindle. Will start to read it tonight when I havnt got my 3 year old Grandson running around. I have a feeling I wont be able to put it down.Smile

cozietoesie · 05/09/2016 13:54

I doubt you will, Annie. As I said, it's a cracking read apart from anything else. Smile

cozietoesie · 05/09/2016 13:57

The clock striking 13 ? Wink One of the great openings.

YouOKHun · 05/09/2016 18:04

This is a good summary of the psychology of cultism, even mentions MLMs as a type of cult (surprise surprise) www.workingpsychology.com/cult.html

ForeverYazoonique · 05/09/2016 19:38

timelessvie.wordpress.com/2016/09/05/4819/

Very very good post on the timeless vie site about the very real psychological impact of MLMs on women - especially new mums. An NHS psychologists tells us the prevalence of MLMs in the women she sees.

As someone who is suffering from GAD and PTSD (after my son's serious illness) I can tell you that I would not thrive in such an environment - but then I don't think many people would, regardless of underlying mental health.

cozietoesie · 05/09/2016 20:13

That post is deeply worrying.

Spongebobette · 05/09/2016 21:17

Brilliant post as usual TV

Very shocking though. ZERO responsibility taken by the company or the uplines for these poor women's distress

forevercrass · 06/09/2016 09:42

Seen this on a FB group I'm on. The Post was complaining mainly about maelle, JP and Younique sellers trying to add them to recruit or sell to them.

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