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MLM Bot Watch 25 - Powered by Twunk's Yazoo: Tragicomic cultic wampum flogging scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus, LifeTreeWorld (RIP)

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MyCatsHateMLMtoo · 02/08/2016 09:48

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keeptheaspidistra · 27/08/2016 22:41

Thanks for clearing that up so quickly Abigail. Do you follow these threads regularly?
Hope you're feeling better soon.

Toobusytowee · 27/08/2016 22:47

Hi Abigail. Thanks for popping in. It must be strange for you to be a boss. Will you be a really flexible employer who takes all employees' needs into account? Will you be paying a decent wage? Will you still be encouraging people to 'sack the boss' and ditch their worthless J.O.B.s? It must be odd for you to become what MLMs consider to be the enemy.

Toobusytowee · 27/08/2016 22:51

That came across more bitchy than I meant. Genuinely, will you be taking on board the reasons why MLM people quit their jobs and make a go of FLP and the like? Will you be really family friendly and flexible? I am interested in how you will make the two differing worlds of normal jobs vs MLMs come together without having to compromise on your values.

Teddy1970 · 27/08/2016 22:51

I kind of feel sorry for my bot, she's a single mother just trying to earn a few pennies, I loathe how these MLMs exploit the fact and jump on anyone who's vulnerable.

Tupperwarelid · 27/08/2016 23:40

Thanks Abigail for posting

forevercrass · 28/08/2016 10:52

Hi Abigail, thank you for posting. I just have a few questions if you have time maybe you will respond.
Congratulations on your new venture. I think you are incredibly intelligent to invest in a back up plan and I think this does indeed say a great deal about the current FLP Climate. All the greats (it would seem) have other businesses or have invested in properties and I seen your video about how you are wise with your money and lived well within your means, refusing to splurge to attract more bots with the pretence of the flash lifestyle.
There is no question (in my mind at least) that you have worked incredibly hard. You worked Long hours & made sacrifices to reach sapphire manager, (if being a little ruthless along the way). I was just wondering though do you ever feel guilty for signing people up when you must know that so few truly succeed? It isn't easy and you have admitted this so when you meet someone I expect your experience means you know that the majority of these people signing are going to plough time, energy and money into something that will not pay them back? Or are you going to tell me that everyone can be a sapphire manager if they follow the same pattern that you did? As I think the latter would be false.
Also can you see a future with forever? I know that you have been taking a back seat recently as things have happened in your personal life and you did say you realised that you were working too hard and wish you would have rested more.
What do you think of the policy change surrounding the CC's and the reduction in CC's for recruiting a new FBO? I remember hearing you speak once on a webinar a couple of years ago and you said "I don't host pamper parties or focus on the product. I am not a salesperson I am a recruiter and I focus on recruiting and growing my team" I did however notice your focus on product somewhat changed after the policy change and you made a few videos about the makeup (which is now not available - what a waste of time) then you kind of went quiet so maybe retailing is hard and maybe you can identify with the lowly bots trying to shift gallons of aloe a month!

cozietoesie · 28/08/2016 12:45

Thanks for posting, Abigail. Smile I guess that that has cleared a great many things up.

Can you confirm, by the way, that you would be keeping the two endeavours entirely separate? IE - no using email addresses etc given under one banner for approaches under another?

xenu1 · 28/08/2016 13:05

"T.E.D"? Sorry, but it sounds like Utility Warehouse to me... "it will create lots of "normal" jobs in the UK" - I doubt it

For those needing an Energy Club, MSE have one: www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheapenergyclub (and it states on the page how they make money, too)

Spongebobette · 28/08/2016 13:33

I don't understand how this will create jobs, Abigail, can you clarify?

AbigailHorne · 28/08/2016 13:34

Hiya, sorry i've been really unwell and I went straight to bed.

No Im not a follower of these threads, not because I don't care, just because I don't have the time. Its been a lot of work in the background over the last 2 years developing TED so if I'm not with my family or my team I've been focusing on that.

Someone also asked if I am a fair employer... I have managed hundreds of people in normal business over the last 12 years and have always taken care of my staff with flexible working and part time hours. Hence my utter disgust when I was refused. Forever at that time was not because of a burning desire to be a network marketer, i was just desperate to be a mum.

As I'm sure you can understand taking your dislike for mlm out of it, you don't just start a company in a matter of weeks or months despite what you think about the "current climate" - This isn't a knee jerk reaction to anything, it's to more than anything show the love for my grandad and for my little boy. I was told by my ex employers basically that I would never get anywhere in life and TED is about proving myself in that very same industry.

I honestly didn't expect it to be featured on here not being mlm. It upset me a little if I'm honest. I don't hate normal companies, I support anyone in anything they do. I just didn't work for a nice company hence my own decisions.

I was told about the comments about TED so I just wanted to address them to explain myself better than I obviously did in my video that I was very nervous making.

Some one else asked if I can confirm email addresses wont be used for my other business etc, absolutely not. Im sure there may be laws against that anyway. Rightly so you have pointed out I have taken a back seat, so you will know I no longer recruit any way. That has nothing to do with Forever, or in fact TED. I lost my baby in November and it just broke me, I haven't felt I can commit the time and energy to starters so instead of recruiting and letting them go it alone i just haven't recruited. Yes I know I should probably be over that by now but every day I think about the child that should be arms that isn't. Sorry if thats too much info just how I feel.

Just replying to the longer one now, I'm trying to read it on my phone whilst answer on my computer.

Im honestly not sure what investments other people have got, Ive never asked. Im currently investing in another property but that will make 2 so hardly a portfolio for me but hopefully a good move. Yes I'm definitely sensible with money as I encourage others to be. We've just paid off our ford focus I was really proud of that lol.

Do I feel guilt about signing people up knowing few would succeed? How would I know who would and wouldn't achieve what they wanted to, I only knew what i was achieving and showing them what I was doing. I feel guilty sometimes on the team that I have got that Im probably not so inspirational anymore to them. Its amazing to see the huge cheques, constant promotions etc so when I publicly said in october I was happy just to help them and do no more myself i think that may have been a little deflating. I of course help them every day, I just dont go for anything myself.

I absolutely see my future with forever, I've never felt let down by them. The company has been so supportive during my mini melt down. Like I say coming from a bad company I appreciate it a lot.

The CC change was sort of expected, we had it better than all other countries so I can't say it was a surprise. It didn't impact me personally not recruiting but of course it would have impacted others. It went down well though in my team, I can't speak for others. People seemed to understand.

I absolutely have never focused on pamper parties, It would never be a sustainable business route for me with my back condition. approx 6 months of the year I cannot drive, walking is difficult and and I most certainly cannot carry around products. I absolutely did focus on recruitment but have always had customers.

The make up was put on BOGOF earlier this year, I love make up because i look god awful without it so made lots of videos to help promote the BOGOF deal. It went down really well and all the make up sold out / still not back in stock... so I removed my videos because no point advertising something I cannot get my hands on to sell.

Yes I have been quiet, i have been putting a lot of work into TED and helping my team as appose to focusing on my social media.

I appreciate we have different views on mlm and im ok with that, but I would ask that my energy company be left out of it because it's for two people I love more than life, and one of them is no longer here and when spoken about negatively it makes me hurt for them. Looking back it wasn't even spoken about negatively I just didn't want it to get to that point.

I think I've answered everything so I'm not going to come back on now because I'm easily upset when it comes to those things so I will just wish you a lovely weekend and every success for your futures.

Abi xx

Spongebobette · 28/08/2016 13:35

So many grinning excited women on my timeline explaining that they have jumped ships from FL to Ariix (although strangely none of them ever actually name Ariix, why is that) because they 'know something'

cozietoesie · 28/08/2016 13:43

It's the use of 'anticipation'. Plenty of 'love buzz'/'in-group' stuff but with no immediate need to deliver.

AbigailHorne · 28/08/2016 13:44

Sorry just seen another comment, I think that Utility Warehouse is an network marketing company. TED is no different than any other energy company. It all create call centre jobs for both back office billing and outbound calling, maybe some field sales as well / door to door etc. normal employed positions.

Spongebobette · 28/08/2016 14:24

Thank you for replying Abigail and I wish you the very best in your new non MLM venture!

MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 28/08/2016 16:04

found a new(?) MLM - doTERRA, the bot I vaguely stalk was all about the Opportunity whatsit a couple of months ago, and now she's posting stuff like
"Having the best time discovering and blending oils for an online ABUNDANCE teleclass... YES Essential Oils for WEALTH Consciousness is a thing!! Haha its as if the Universe created this especially for me right? Want to know more? Call coming in a couple of weeks"

Also heavily promoting Robert Hollis and his "affiliate domination three part course" (which sounds slightly alarming).

Have also just followed a couple of links on her Facebook page to discover that she's trained as a "Law of Attraction coach and facilitator". It doesn't seem to have worked for her though, as her RL situation is very different to her online presence.

forevercrass · 28/08/2016 16:16

I wish you every success with TED Abigail and I hope you feel better soon. Thanks for answering my questions.

Whatsaldigottodowithit · 28/08/2016 16:20

Thank you for posting Abigail. I am so sorry for your losses. You seem well spoken and knowledgeable I wish you well in your new venture.

forevercrass · 28/08/2016 17:00

New thread on AIBU about MLM selling bracelets for charity...

To be horrified by MLM charity bracelets scheme?
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/2718639-To-be-horrified-by-MLM-charity-bracelets-scheme

Toobusytowee · 28/08/2016 19:14

Myvisions, doTORRA are in BotWatchBlog's directory botwatchblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/21/directory-of-mlm-information/.

DoTORRA are the ones that got in trouble for claiming their essential oils could cure Ebola! And they advocate adding essential oils to food and drink. Which can kill you.

Spongebobette · 28/08/2016 20:25

myvisions I had a look too and saw this post which typifies the attitude of some bots; she obviously pitched her oil business to someone who declined, but guess what it's all a MINDSET problem
Give me strength

MLM Bot Watch 25 - Powered by Twunk's Yazoo: Tragicomic cultic wampum flogging scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus, LifeTreeWorld (RIP)
keeptheaspidistra · 28/08/2016 20:31

Grrrr Sponge that's what really annoys me about network marketing. No can never just mean no. And whatever your reason for "no" is these people harass you with a reason why your no is not good enough. They seem to have consent issues Hmm

sparkleyes · 28/08/2016 21:51

I've contributed in the past and have just caught up. Sounds like forever is falling apart in some aspects re bullying etc.

I don't understand why people who haven't found success in one MLM jump to another though I guess it's like me trying one diet after another lol!

I wish Abi success in her new venture although I think in such a competitive market Abi will need to grow a thicker skin and not simply rely on saying that no one should critisize her business as its named for her son/grandfather as this probably won't wash for long.

cozietoesie · 28/08/2016 22:33

Using a vulnerability doesn't get rid of it, I fear. At best, it's still there.

googlepoodle · 28/08/2016 22:53

Hi Abigail
What a warm and honest response. I'm so sorry for the loss of your baby and how sensible of you to take some time out to regroup. Best wishes x

xenu1 · 29/08/2016 12:39

Abigail, I seldom post here (but do follow the marvellous Timeless VIE and botwatch, long may the flourish) and just wish you all the best with whatever you do (as long as its not MLM :)) I may have sounded a bit harsh upthread, apologies if so. I will await T.E.D with anticipation! :