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MLM Bot Watch 18- chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc

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chuckingstones · 08/04/2016 20:44

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Melaw21 · 21/04/2016 19:56

Nope... Not-a-bot. Sorry Emma!

Toobusytowee · 21/04/2016 19:59

Does anyone here currently have a family member in an MLM? Are you concerned about them and have you tried to persuade them to leave? If so, please can you drop me a line? There is something very important that I need to speak to you about. I remember some people talking about sisters and brothers but I can't remember who said it. And I don't have a spare month to trawl through the threads.

Melaw21 · 21/04/2016 20:12

toobusy that sounds disturbingly ominous... 😳

Toobusytowee · 21/04/2016 20:14

Don't panic, it's ok. I need some help, that's all. And it will end up helping others.

emmajones95 · 21/04/2016 20:57

How old are you all? I feel like I'm suddenly back at infant school.

Stopfaffing - as I said I didn't do Herbalife. It was a nonstarter. Never sold a thing. It was 26 years ago too lol. The point I was making in that post is that out of the 4 MLM companies I've left I've never been bullied or forced to stay, which some people here were saying is what happens.

What I hate most about this stuff I'm reading here is how you seem to tar every MLM company with the same brush. I don't know anything about many of them and I don't pretend to. But what is SO wrong is the way you just write them all off as being scams. It's disgusting actually. Companies like Body Shop, Ann Summers, Kleeneze and Avon use this business model. These are highly credible companies, as are others like Pampered Chef, Virgin Vie and Mary Kay. Oh, and Tupperware!!! There may be some (I don't know which but as you've pointed out possibly Herbalife for example) who have poor business tactics, and like I said Younique (in my opinion) is the pits. But how dare you constantly slag them all off on a public forum, and call people 'bots' who are doing this sort of work. You're just making yourselves look like a horrible bunch of people.

As I said before (but it got ignored) I commend these people for having a go. Many MLM companies give people (many of whom cannot do a mainstream type of job) an opportunity to build a business of their own at extremely minimal cost.

MLM has given me the opportunity to earn some extra money, make new friends and encouraged me to get out and about more. It's been great for me, and for many others I know.

emmajones95 · 21/04/2016 21:04

Does anyone here currently have a family member in an MLM? Are you concerned about them and have you tried to persuade them to leave?

Bloody hell lol, what is this - a witch hunt? We're talking about people selling products, not a religious cult!! If they want to 'leave', they will!

No one has answered me yet about how people are being ripped off and scammed and fleeced? I don't know the joining cost of all these companies but Younique is £75. Hardly bank-breaking money, is it? I paid £300 for my Dyson and it's a piece of shit. I pay £50 for broadband and the connection keeps dropping. I paid £5000 for my car and it keeps going wrong. I pay £5.50 for beef in Tescos and it's £4.89 in Asda.

Surely someone else selling a few products from home isn't such a big deal to you? Or are you jealous that you tried and failed? ;)

stopfaffing · 21/04/2016 21:06

Mary Kay! read this .

"MLM has given me the opportunity to earn some extra money..."

But how much did it cost you in personal spending, Emma?

"....make new friends and encouraged me to get out and about more."

These 'friends' are business colleagues who are only interested in you for what you commission you make them.

It's been great for me, and for many others I know.

It has been a disaster for many, too. Read the evidence. I don't understand why you are discounting peoples' negative experiences.

stopfaffing · 21/04/2016 21:08

"Bloody hell lol, what is this - a witch hunt? We're talking about people selling products, not a religious cult!! If they want to 'leave', they will!"

Sigh, this is what most people think, Emma. I did too. Now I know better, sadly.

bestegg · 21/04/2016 21:19

Emma - the £75 you gave as an example may not be a significant amount of money to you, but to a lot of people it is and there are many people who can simply not afford to throw such an amount away, which is what you are doing given the drop out rate of MLMs.

The contributers to this thread have accounts from people who have had their start up costs paid for by their recruiter, so they are in affect starting in debt to the company. How is that not an example of recruiting people who are not in a secure position financially? There are many accounts of people who have been left in debt that they can ill afford after being recruited into an MLM, not just on these threads but on numerous other sites.

I dislike MLMs as I feel they are exploitative, manipulative and corrupting.

bestegg · 21/04/2016 21:20

And, having used Younique make up after being given it as a gift, i can safely say if you spent £75 on it you have been well and truly ripped off.

emmajones95 · 21/04/2016 21:23

Honestly, I am shocked at what I'm reading here!

"But how much did it cost you in personal spending, Emma?"

  • Like I said, £75. But it didn't 'cost' me that because it was quickly recouped. Oh I bought some business cards too which were £9.95, and I posted a few orders for £2 but they actually cost me £2.70 with myHermes. Why would it cost more? There's nothing else to pay for?

"These 'friends' are business colleagues who are only interested in you for what you commission you make them."

  • No, these friends are friends, thank you! I have two friends in particular who I'm very close to now - we chat almost every day and meet up often. They still do Younique. I don't.

'It has been a disaster for many, too."

  • I don't doubt it. Like I said there are disasters in all jobs and all walks of life. My brother was a headmaster and had a nervous breakdown. I worked in an office and was sexually harrassed. My friend was a postlady and fell off her bike. I haven't written off all schools, offices and post offices though :/
DollyTwat · 21/04/2016 21:24

Another one

MLM Bot Watch 18- chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc
emmajones95 · 21/04/2016 21:24

Each to their own Bestegg. I love their foundation and moisturiser. Don't go much on the rest to be honest, but then I don't think much of Mac either. Not sure what your point is.

emmajones95 · 21/04/2016 21:25

Another silly pic. Well done. Is it playtime yet?

bearbehind · 21/04/2016 21:27

No one has answered me yet about how people are being ripped off and scammed and fleeced

emma'Have you really never seen a single 'business owner' posting on social media making out that they've earned/won something that can be 100% proven to be untrue?

There are numerous examples of this everyday from rented houses purported to have been purchased, business class flights claimed to have been won, cars claimed to have been bought but they have all been proven to be lies.

If that's not 'fleecing' people then what is?

Your comment about restricting distributors is naive at best; it's about as far removed from an MLM business model as it is possible to be- the clue is in the term MLM Hmm

DollyTwat · 21/04/2016 21:27

Which MLM are you working for Emna?
How much profit do you make a month?

emmajones95 · 21/04/2016 21:27

"there are many people who can simply not afford to throw such an amount away" - they shouldn't be doing it then!!! Why would anyone start any business or buy anything if they can't afford it? That's the stupidity of the person, surely? These people aren't being whipped into it, you know??

Toobusytowee · 21/04/2016 21:29

Emma, MLMs are not religious cults, they are called commercial cults. They use the same techniques of mind control that cults use.

There is a leader at the top who is revered.
People are encouraged to work on their mindset. They have to change their thoughts.
Friends and family are disowned for being concerned about the person.
Other bots become the 'family'.
Blind faith is encouraged that it will all work out.
A new belief system is introduced called the Law of Attraction that explains everything.
Any 'negativity' is ignored, effectively shutting down critical thought abilities.
Anyone who leaves the group is bad and hates the group and will try and disrupt the group (hence suspecting all of us as being escapees).
Everything will work out if you just do as you are told- follow the system.
They are sleep deprived because they have to work such long hours and trainings are held at the weekend and evenings.
There is low level stress continuously of uplines checking on progress and giving targets to achieve. Targets for themselves to achieve for various levels of promotion and prizes, the need for recognition and the fear of failure and shame.
Have you seen any footage of shizzles or success days? It has CULT written all over it!

It is easy to identify a religious cult from the outside, but more difficult with commercial ones because it all looks so innocuous on the surface. "I'm just selling lip gloss to women" "It's just pocket money" People don't complain when they leave because they have been taught to believe it is all their fault.

The reason people get into financial difficulty is that they purchase whatever needs to be purchased to qualify for rewards. They travel to meetings and trainings and success days. They purchase training manuals and pay out for websites, samples, P&P. Don't forget also that you are encouraged to fake it until you make it. People sell their little houses and rent large ones, buy bigger cars, go on expensive holidays. They get into debt trying to look rich whilst pretending to have made it rich through the scheme.

There are many many examples of this sort of thing going on and it is easy to find. There are many many examples of financial analysis of how people do not make money in MLMs.

bestegg · 21/04/2016 21:31

Their products are exceptionally expensive for the quality, that is the point.

In terms of what your MLM experiences, the other costs incurred are thing such as petrol/travel costs, the training events that you pay to attend and so on. The costs go beyond the initial fees to buy a 'business' especially given people are encourage to go to trainig events etc, all of which you have to pay for.

bestegg · 21/04/2016 21:32

Emma - do you really believe that people who lose money in such a way are stupid? Really?

I see people who are misled, manipulated, lied to and ultimately contolled.

cozietoesie · 21/04/2016 21:33

Ignore the wampum if you can, folks.

cozietoesie · 21/04/2016 21:33

Unless, of course, it's parslaii. Grin

Twunk · 21/04/2016 21:34

Well then there's not a problem is there Emma?

So why are you on this thread?

If everyone had ALL the information sufficient to make an informed decision then it's not an issue.

But then you see, no one would. Because it's a con.

cozietoesie · 21/04/2016 21:37

Melaw

(If you've not had too many CRY cocktails. Wink)

I think we need a meme on parslaii - possibly about it being the only true wampum or something. Grin

DollyTwat · 21/04/2016 21:42

Whenever I've gone through the figures with a bot eventually I get the line 'not all of us are doing it to make money, why don't you leave us alone' which is what I'm expecting next!

The LTW people are very defensive when it's pointed out that their commission is being paid from the overspending of their downline. I guess it's because the penny drops that THEY are paying for the expensive cars of their upline until they can con another 7 people into it as well

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