MLM Bot Watch 16 - Chat about the Scamalasmical cultic racket of MLMs Forever Living, Juiceplus , Ariix, Younique, (insert name of Utah MLM here) now including hunpreneurs, cheese, posts from eyes

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Botwatch
botwatchblog.wordpress.com
www.facebook.com/liestopper/?fref=ts

Timeless Vie
timelessvie.wordpress.com
www.facebook.com/timelessvie

Eyes Blog:
mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.nl

Hommetepreneur:
www.facebook.com/hommetrepreneur/

That second ploy is actually a beast.

I would love to know the average time a new bot lasts before they give up and see it for what it really is.

A few weeks? Months?

My JP is 3 months in and still constantly posting up to 12 posts per day on it. Choosing holidays, recruiting. Pics of the car (very much second hand) with the badge on show. The quality time with family etc etc. When will it end, it is car crash.

Less than I year I think Global

I suspect it's a bell curve

DayToDayGlobalShit They might give up in droves, but few transient 'MLM' Bots have ever really seen what they were involved in, for what it is, let alone spoken out.

The annual drop out rates for 'MLM' rackets have varied between the 50s and 90s of %.

The % of 'MLM' Bots who have continued for more than 5 years has been negligible, but there are a minority of 'MLM' Bots who have drifted from one group to another (always in search of the 'MLM' that works) sometimes during periods exceeding 10 years.

In the past, I have been contacted by the ex-wife of one loss-making UK FL Bot who has been botted to the fucking eyeballs, for more than 20 years.

I've heard of people moving from one MLM to another. I envy their stamina rather than their logical thinking.

I've got one bot, a good friend, who is still in after 2 years. After her upline tried to recruit me and I told her to fuck off friend and I have a mutual understanding that neither of us mention the Vera. We both think the other is deluded. She still actively recruits people every month and still clearly hasn't made any money. I hoped by now she would have cut her losses but she just gets in deeper and deeper. It makes me so sad and also quite angry when she recruits our vulnerable friends.

I started out hoping I could be there for her when she sees the light but now I don't think me or other mutual friends could ever see her in the same way again.

It's so sad. I fuckin hate forever living.

Did you ever try to bring the material available to the attention of those vulnerable friends, wild?

One of my bots was with JP for two and a half years and then jumped ship to Arsliix in October. I don't know how much longer he will keep going but so much for retiring in 3-5 years. He's not even on the property ladder yet and he claims to be earning amazing amounts of money! He's not been home for over a month now because he's at all of these recruitments shindigs every single day. He's exhausted. It isn't sustainable.

thetemptationofchocolate The worst I've heard of is someone in the USA who had been involved in 7 different 'MLM' rackets during 15 years.

A couple of years back, I got contacted by an ex-'Ariix' Bot, again from the USA, who had been in 3 'MLM' rackets previously, having switched annually. His direct total losses were more than $50 thousands, but he didn't want to file a complaint because he feared his 'mentor.'

Fuck me, if one hasn't worked why on earth would people be so dim as to try any others. It is all the same thing. Pyramid with nobody making any money but those couple at the top. Surely they realize that.

I think our best tack is targeting vulnerable groups before they join, and those who are doubting their decision. We are not going to get the "Botted up to the eyeballs" ones until they have doubts

They - or some of them - clearly don't realise it, Global. You don't know what promises have been made, though, and when you're already a wide-eyed believer and dog-tired with it..........

Thinking about it some more, perhaps you become addicted to the 'love-buzz' and discovering a new circle of 'besties' and admirers when you've exhausted those you started out with?........

I think that that's possibly right, Twunk.

DayToDayGlobalShit There is no logic in a chronic 'MLM' addiction. At one time, I coined the term, 'financial anorexia,' to try to explain the Botted to the fucking eyeballs mindset. Chronic 'MLM' Bots will literally cause themselves, and their families, to starve to death financially, all the time falsely believing that, if they exclude the 'negative,' they must arrive a perfect 'positive' place where everyone will admire and respect them. In this analogy, Bots use their group and its self-gratifying propaganda, like a distorting mirror which does not reflect back the reality of their gradually-deteriorating financial situation.

The stuff that TV posted about Jamberry was quite telling - a FB conversation between new joiners, all of whom had been in MLMs before and were jumping over to Jamberry, on the basis that they would be there at the start. So there was an awareness that being further up the line was beneficial, but still this blinkered refusal to accept that they are customers, not business owners.

I read Merchants of Deception and could not believe that this chap was an Emerald. I remember being approached by Amway in the late 90s and being shown a brochure illustrating the lifestyles of some of the people at the top. The Emerald 'story' had a mansion and a yacht! But in MoD he was barely scraping $20K a year and was on the verge of bankruptcy.

The truth is so cynical and so manipulative it actually takes your breath away that people could be so deliberately cruel.

Horrendous eyes

Jolse you have reminded me to continue reading merchants of deception. I started it a few weeks ago. Must do that

It's so , so sad DaytoDay. I don't know what happened to him in the end - perhaps Eyes does?

There's big bucks there, Joise.

It's a bit like casinos isn't it? Whatever happens the "house" never loses.

The gambling analogy is very useful

I found this recent Ethan Vanderbuilt video about how to deal with a relative/friend who has become heavily involved with an MLM.