MLM Bot Watch 16 - Chat about the Scamalasmical cultic racket of MLMs Forever Living, Juiceplus , Ariix, Younique, (insert name of Utah MLM here) now including hunpreneurs, cheese, posts from eyes

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Botwatch
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www.facebook.com/liestopper/?fref=ts

Timeless Vie
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www.facebook.com/timelessvie

Eyes Blog:
mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.nl

Hommetepreneur:
www.facebook.com/hommetrepreneur/

So, what happens to people wheb they leave. can they just stop or are their fees etc to leaving. do they have to return their stock or replace? do they have to pay the difference of their start up kit as I'm. assuming the price was subject to the promise to sell and recruit and was there for cheaper than if they had purchased it themselves? if they stop do refunds to the people they are apparently ordering for have to be paid out if their own pocket?

how do things like returns work?

I don't know the detailed rules on returns for every MLM, I'm afraid - they may differ slightly.

Apart from one essential similarity. You can be sure that it will be the bottom of the pile who lose out and not the organisation.

What is it about FB bot posts that requires extensive emoji use? I have yet to see a single post without one.

Gileswithachainsaw The word 'Refund' always features prominently in 'MLM' fairy stories, but in reality, it has been extremely difficult to get one. Of course there have been no refunds on any of the allied MLM' frauds - peddling publications, recordings, tickets to meetings, etc.

Refunds on 'MLM' products are invariably limited by date of purchase.

Needless to say, just like the bosses of 'Scientology', 'MLM' bosses have tended to ignore their own small print and pay out refunds left, right and centre, but only when faced with serious external investigations.

Refunds on 'MLM' products are invariably limited by date of purchase

forgive my stupidity here but does that mean that basically by the time someone paid up, order has been sent off, delivery back and then distributed to whoever that the time scale means that they couldn't get a refund in the alloted time given? so inevitably either the "seller" has to pay out of their own pocket or take the hit on the who's probably a friend or family member?

^Giles* "So, what happens to people wheb they leave. can they just stop or are their fees etc to leaving. do they have to return their stock or replace? do they have to pay the difference of their start up kit as I'm. assuming the price was subject to the promise to sell and recruit and was there for cheaper than if they had purchased it themselves? "
Since all IBOs make upfront payments they can just leave. Its not as if the MLM has advanced any stock, demo kit etc. IBOs pay upfront and the MLM has made its money off them. There's nothing to return from the MLM PoV. However, eyes passim, IBOs can try to return stock and kits if they leave. Its not easy. Check out www.pinktruth.com for the issues with Mary Kay. And (also eyes!) there is never any refund on biz tools like trainings, tapes, etc.

Interesting (to me anyway) is that pyramid scams that load the victim with inventory are illegal. MLMs wont do that - you place an order and the item is then delivered - but IBOs are encourage to self-purchase and demo stock - the result is the same, a garage full of

And you never get back the hours you wasted.

with FL, the company will refund cancelled orders but only with product - not the money!. So I you sell me an aloeveramagicbox, and I return it and you give me the money back, you just get another box... Try and sell that?

And you have to pay to attend the train sessions and get the materials etc?

wow. it really is worse than the kit price and fuel to the partiestc isn't it :(

god I just want to shake these people now.

Of course we then get a bot saying "oh I don't go to those training days! They're not compulsory"

But they are - it says in the manual. They need to keep up the pressure and hysteria.

Giles I'm thinking of producing a pdf leaflet about MLMs outlining what you should know, where to get more info...

It reminds me of The Simpsons always being handed leaflets for things:

So you think you have the bends
So you think you've ruined your life
Etc

So you've joined a pyramid scheme

Gileswithachainsaw 'MLM' wampum products, even of a non-perishable variety, usually have some sort of sell by date of a few months. Once that date is passed, officially they cannot be refunded. That said, most Bots have not given their money directly to the 'FLP' front companies, and they are too shame-faced to approach their 'upline' (who have dealt directly with 'FLP') for a refund. Most temporary 'MLM' Bots have simply put down their wasted time, and money, to experience. They usually have a garage stuffed with unused, and unsaleable, 'MLM' wampum.

Can anyone link to some very clear fact based evidence that the MLMs tie back to religious organisations?

I am posting on my FB at the moment and keeping it all very factual and hoping that the two people on my timeline who have just been sucked in last week, will see it and read. I dare not post directly to them otherwise I'll probably end up being blocked as a negative hater. Both are vulnerable and naive; I am very concerned.

It's horrible to witness isn't it Jolse - knowing that anything negative will be reacted against, because of how strongly these schemes have brainwashed them

Eyes is your man for that - but they are nearly all Mormons.

Another point about returns - surely a bottle of gloop that's 1 litre weighs about a kilo? Presumably you have to post or courier it to return it? Is that covered in any way? Does anyone know?

Jolse you could try the TimelessVie links, they aren't confrontational at all

www.facebook.com/timelessvie

I've looked on TV already - ideally I need something very, very factual without the satire. I have already linked to the very good post comparing FL to MAC.

I am particularly concerned about one woman, who is older, alone having lost her husband suddenly, and who is not well-off financially. I think the only asset she has is her house (which is small and very average - not snarking, just to provide context that she is not 'rich'). She is very gullible and naive and trusting. I can quite easily see her being convinced to mortgage it, or even sell it, to fund a 'fake it til you make it' lifestyle. I feel utterly bloody helpless because I KNOW if I direct message her, then her upline will leap in with a load of bullshit about ignoring the negativity.

Whilst this is very American, it says it very clearly

JolseBaby This linked article from the Salt Lake City Tribune, is from just a few days ago, but 'MLM' rackets have also been closely linked with Calvinism, Pentacostalism, etc., and the so-called 'Prosperity Gospel.'

www.sltrib.com/opinion/3688526-155/op-ed-multi-level-marketers-need-to-stop

The instigators of the original 'MLM' racket, 'Amway', and their heirs, are Right Wing Christian Conservatives who have ties with all manner of faith-based BS.

www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0412/S00154.htm

Yes that's a huge problem jolse - the MLMs have formed a complete narrative where justified concern is characterised as "negativity" or even "jealousy" - it's remarkably clever when you think about it. We've seen it on these threads (being condemned as middle-aged harpies with nothing better to do).

Tread carefully. I'll see if u can find something that fits your purpose. We find humour often works, but not once people are sucked in.

u = I

Typing not my strong point

Dolly yes I was thinking of that one too

Can anyone help re delivery charges? Just interested to know

Look at these outrageous health claims