MLM Bot Watch 16 - Chat about the Scamalasmical cultic racket of MLMs Forever Living, Juiceplus , Ariix, Younique, (insert name of Utah MLM here) now including hunpreneurs, cheese, posts from eyes

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Timeless Vie
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Eyes Blog:
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Hommetepreneur:
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Gileswithachainsaw At first, try to steer this person in the direction of accurate information coming from outside of his/her group's Utopian 'positive' propaganda. Ask thought-provoking questions, particularly about what have been the quantifiable results of the particular 'MLM' this person is involved with?, and why key information like this hasn't been made publicly available? You could also ask if this person has sought independent legal/financial advise before joining, and if not, why not?

'MLM/Prosperity Gospel' Bots are lured inside these reality-inverting cultic groups by giving them the illusion they are making free choices. It is best to try to give them access to the truth and let them make a free choice to recognise reality and come out by themselves. Sometimes the more you try to reason with gung ho Bots, the more they will retreat into their groups bunker mentality, in defence of their self-esteem.

You could also try to persuade this person that the mark of a true friend, is someone who always tries to tell you the truth, no matter how painful this might be.

Gileswithachainsaw I forgot to say that the overwhelming majority of people who start to fall for the 'MLM' fairy story, don't pursue it for very long. In general, the more cash or credit an 'MLM' Bot has access to, the more danger he/she is in, because this will allow him/her to keep playing the pay-through-the-nose game of believe longer, and to become even more bedazzled by it.

Chronic 'MLM' addiction is very much like chronic gambling addiction, but hopefully the person you know will have to give up playing soon when he/she runs out of enthusiasm and money.

thank you eye

the only real way I have of contacting this person is face book so I guess I had better be prepared to be blocked.

I really don't want to come across as I'm trying to piss on their chips but I'm assuming its better to do it when it's at the face book status selling stage rather than the recruiting stage?

what are the chances she wakes up to it when the pushing starts?

Well that's good news eye

I expect time and funds fir this person are limited so sounds like it could be short lived then?

hope so.

Gileswithachainsaw Without knowing the idividual concerned, it's very difficult to answer your question. That said, only around 10% of 'MLM' recruits will persist for more than 12 months. So, the odds are that she won't become a chronic 'MLM' addict, but one never knows.

Awful situation for you, Giles. Like watching a crash.

Here's hoping she comes back out quickly and doesn't suck too many other in in her wake.

Keep visiting here and Timeless Vie for the latest news?

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my heart did sink when I saw it. it started off with one person posting I have no idea how I was added to the page as I don't know them. but she's obviously the person who's recruited the one I'm. worried about . the photos/advertising shots are identical on both pages.

I really want to post on the other page but I know it's not particularly constructive but it makes me so angry when I think about the other people she's probably done it to and how this one probably has no idea that any day now.pressure to start recruiting will start.

apologies fir the vagueness I really don't want the person to he able to identify herself.

just how do they get away with it

thank you !!!

They 'get away with it' because they target likely 'marks' - sorry, 'prospects' - in a highly scripted and coldly manipulative way. Which can be very effective if someone is eg tired or lonely or vulnerable in some way and casting around for a way out. It's a routine and, sadly, it often works. (Just look at some of the training links to see how they do it.)

Keep on reading and viewing the links that people put up and you'll learn to recognise it right away. I'm afraid that that won't make it any more pleasant though.

That's partly why people on this thread have such intense admiration for the people who have managed to get out - it takes a lot to do it.

They disgust me. Yesterday I saw my local Ariix bot coming out of a house I pass by on the way to the shops clutching her folders and paraphernalia. It was only later when I saw her status crowing about how she was 'helping' another mum' 'acheive her dreams' that I really thought about it. The woman who lives in that house has learning difficulties and mental health issues and a severely autistic son. I find it increasingly harder to feel sympathise with the bots when they target people that are so vulnerable.

It is hard to feel any sympathy isn't it? You may know that most of them are themselves victims but that sort of behaviour is still appalling. A difficult one.

I find it difficult to work out if people are victims or perpetrators so I have decided to lump all of them in as victims until they show themselves to be something different. The vulnerable woman with an autistic son is a victim. But now she is a bot. And if she tries to recruit her friend who also has issues? It all gets a bit blurred and messy.

The people who are definitely the perpetrators are the owners of these schemes and the ruthless ones near the top who know how it all works and who know that most people don't stand a chance with these things.

I think I take a slightly simplistic view these days. It's the system that generally concerns me, rather than the individuals who might be inside it. (Who might have been fine people once, granted, but are currently 'absorbed'.) It's not a perspective for everyone, probably, but it's how I best live with the situation.

I think there must be the first Ariix 'Success Day' scheduled for the 7th of May - they keep posting "all rounds lead to the 7th of May. Can't wait to see you all there!" I wonder if they get a suitcase or an umbrella?

I suspect neither. I think that they'll go for something completely left of field - possibly car related?

I find it difficult to work out if people are victims or perpetrators so I have decided to lump all of them in as victims until they show themselves to be something different

thanks for that

it hadn't clicked that the person recruiting the person I was talking about is also a victim herself. and that her story is equally as distressing as anyone else's would be. so thank you.

I don't see how it works though as when you share alot if mutual friends and live in the same town then you have the same people you are competing to recruit and sell to.

and they will. presumably be getting pressure from those above them to recruit. at some point it becomes impossible.

not that the top people care about that of course.

I personally find it very difficult to feel any sympathy for anyone involved in an 'MLM' racket who has been given access to the truth, but who hasn't the courage to face it. That said, we should keep reminding ourselves that chronic 'MLM' bots are dissociated from external reality. Like any other cultic/'religious' converts, the truth as become, quite literally, unthinkable to them.

Now if I were a Stratospheric One in that company, I' be thinking air-fresheners.

....at some point it becomes impossible....

Well Yes.

You're too logical, Giles.

Gileswithachainsaw You have spotted a tell-tale sign of a pyramid fraud, in that no common-sense limits have been placed on the numbers of people being recruited into these so-called 'MLM income opportunities' is defined geographical enclaves. But then, 'MLM' racketeers peddle financial infinity and by its very nature, there can be no limits on infinity.

I guess it's easy to see it from the outside though. I don't have a huge amount of fried on FB and I have a good ability to scroll down and ignore posts that annoy me rather than get upset or annoyed with it. I also have the annoying habit if over thinking everything so I waste too much time energy and miss far to many opportunities as I'm conjuring up every single possible outcome of anything in my head lol

I'd be a recruiters worst nightmare...

But I'm also a bit thick and don't really know much about alot if this stuff. if it wasn't for MN and warnings on MN about this stuff I'd not have thought anything of what this person was doing.

And now you're alerted.

You might have read also that the MLMs are moving into the 'less developed markets' - including some pretty poor African countries.

Another poster might be able to put up some links for you on that.