MLM Bot Watch 15- Chat about the Scamalasmical cultic racket of MLMs Forever Living, Juiceplus , Ariix, Younique, (insert name of Utah MLM here) now including hunpreneurs, cheese, posts from eyes

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Here is a question to anyone who sells FL products. We know you are not allowed to make health claims. We know there is no good evidence FL products do any good (except for constipation but FL remove that bit). We know it is illegal to say it helps or that it helped you.

On what basis do you sell it? What do you say to someone who has never heard of it before?

Motorheadmum I had friends tell me I was crazy to lose that money BUT I haven't lost it.... I never had it! It's a discount on a house that in my opinion isn't worth more than a tenner! It's made of solid concrete so can't be insulated, it's in a town I don't particularly want to be tied to for 3+ years as can't sell it immediately and I have since realised by moving up north an hour or two I could get a much better house for less! I was going to buy but I had no love for the house and didn't want to be tied to it. I may go back one day who knows but I would still not buy it. Id rather spend £90k on a first property and do it up! The reality is that I do a job I love and I earn well for it. I don't break rules or ethics and I do my hardest to make people aware before they join how hard it is. That's not neccessarily your reality but that's mine. Not every story of MLM ends badly. If I ever decided to give it up or walk away (which I can't see ever happening) I would still be the same person I am now.... Nothing would change. My personality is as it's always been I'm just less angry at the world and far happier x

Thank you Natasha, it's nice to hear that. I appreciate you answering.

Sorry that should read as "I may go back who knows but I still wouldn't buy there not it!

eyes wrote "Rex Maughan inhabits a world where Native Americans are Jewish."

Well in Mormonism the NAs are the evil Lamanites (sp). Time to mention Ms Julia Sweeney's marvellous monologue "Letting go of God".

At 7mins 35secs its part 2 where she invites a couple of Mormon Missionaries in..

But in fairness, and as Julia points out, the Mormon story is no more absurd than those of the more mainstream religions :)

You're welcome! And thank you for your polite responses, it's appreciated :)

I have a question for Natasha and anyone else involved with MLM who might be reading and would like to answer.

We've seen Pampered Chef fold recently. I assume that you consider the network marketing company you're with to be at no risk of this, but what would you do in the hypothetical situation that your company collapsed? Would you head to another MLM?

Someone asked a few posts back about weight loss claims for diet products. Legally claims are allowed.

BUT they have to comply with very strict rules. There is an acceptable weight loss amount over a set amount of days. It is all very specific and strict so I think FLP have put a blanket ban on it, rather than trying to police the specific details. Also, the claims have to be true and not misleading at all.

Thank you for that answer. I genuinely wanted to understand why religion was a factor. Surely this may be said of many big companies outside of MLM too?? I'm not sure why MLM is targeted in a way that makes anyone think it's any different from many other big corporations..... If anything I think many big corporations are far worse in their ethics and business models. Not steering away from the discussion I'm simply adding my thoughts on this. From my experience (my opinion on what I've seen myself) I've found FL to be far more thankful for the fact that we work hard than any other company I've had the pleasure of working with. Is that not an important factor here? Yes of course we make them money.... That's how business works but the rewards for that are far higher than I've ever experienced before. Please don't assume this is sarcastic in any way it's just the view I and many others have

Cheekysmile great question! Honestly that's a tough one! I never thought I'd ever be in MLM at all so the fact I do love the industry means I couldn't say 100% that I wouldn't want to stay part of it however saying that I have said many times to friends that I love it because of my love for the products and the way FL treat us as distributors. I personally respect the company I work under so it would be unlikely I would ever go anywhere else, I just don't think I would love MLM as much if it wasn't for the company.
What I have developed though is my absolute love of working for myself and there are so many things I'd love to do in the future so I would probably pursue that before going to another company. Do I worry that FL will crumble? No, the company have solid foundations this was important when I joined. If it happened I would be grateful that it's given me a chance to find what I love doing and I would most likely find a way in which I could continue that somehow outside of MLM maybe. I honestly haven't really thought too much about it. Fab question!!

I've been blocked from commenting on Light up your future facebook I helpfully put in the link American Dream made nightmare to several comments from potential victims asking for info. all comments swiftly removed and I can no longer comment. must have rattled her!

I think the rewards given within MLMs only look good on the surface. Only a small amount of people are given decent cheques. A lot of people have the opportunity to get on stage and be clapped which must be nice for them, but at what cost?

I am rewarded for my hard work with a guaranteed hourly rate, protected breaks, days off, holidays, maternity leave, private healthcare, free training, expenses when sent anywhere, the ability to get a mortgage, security in knowing how much I'll be paid each month. I'm sure there's loads more ways I am rewarded by my employer.

I'm not sad that I don't get to pay for myself to drive to a huge hall and have everyone clap me. I'm not sad that my manager doesn't give me a make up set when I work hundreds of hours for free.

Natasha - 99% of people that join mlms (including fl) do not make any money out of it. They invest their own capital on the assumption that at some point in the future they will receive their investment back plus significant 'profit' or future income. In 99% of cases this doesn't happen and the investor loses money. The investor is then blamed for not making money be either not working hard enough or by not investing enough (either in product or bullshit training).

The system is designed to be just like this.

I know of no normal business that operates like this.

Despite what you say, this is, by no normal measure 'ethical '

Natasha, Too asked:

"Here is a question to anyone who sells FL products. We know you are not allowed to make health claims. We know there is no good evidence FL products do any good (except for constipation but FL remove that bit). We know it is illegal to say it helps or that it helped you.

On what basis do you sell it? What do you say to someone who has never heard of it before?"

I would also like to know the answer to the above and to this too: What do you consider your 'business' to be? I notice that you all describe yourselves as global business coaches and mentors who help women to achieve their potential and succeed in life - not purveyors of aloe based products. All FLBOs that I know have FB business pages describing their business activity as coaches and mentors (or some such blah); these pages rarely mention the products which seem to be kept on their personal pages. So, if the 'business' is mentoring/coaching, what %age of earnings are from the product and what %age from the coaching/mentoring? And how do you earn from the coaching/mentoring? Are you paid to appear at events? do you charge your downline for training? I am genuinely confused and welcome your presence on this thread to help me to understand.

Re products: I would explain what the products are designed to do without making medical claims. For example if someone asked me "what's good for...." I would say that the drinking gel can support a healthy immune system. I would then explain the 60 day money back guarantee and simply let them try for themselves. There are many customers that come back every month.
I would not say it's a guarantee they will love it I always just let them try themselves. Just as I did! I point blank refused to pay it before I joined.... My sponsor was clever and let me try it for free! I have to see things for myself that's just me but I'm only as passionate as I am about the products because of that.
As for earnings, when you recruit you get a small bonus (between £39 & £64) but I wouldn't get that if my team member recruited. Only for the people I directly recruit. I get paid a bonus based on the volume of product retail in my team. I join 2 people a month... Most months I will have at least 6 if not more ask to join. I sign TWO! After giving them all time to think about it, to do some research and ask questions and to be comfortable with their decision! I would earn £128 from that. If those 2 then go home and do nothing I earn nothing also. If I however help them find their customers and they start earning... I earn too.
It doesn't pay to just recruit, you have to be prepared to help that person build a retail business. If I got paid more for recruitment I would have to sign up 100 people every month! Not likely and not sustainable

Btw, did anyone watch Happy Valley last night? There was a scene where Catherine Cawood was trying to convince the lad's teacher that she had been conned, used and brainwashed by the bad guy.

I thought 'crickey, the folks on MN have been doing that for months'

Has anyone here ever been charged to be put in a team Facebook group for FL? What are people's thoughts on that sort of behaviour? It is allowable by Facebook apparently but not very ethical. You need to be in a team to get the upto date goings on of your team but you need to pay £50 for the privilege.

Is there any scientific proof that aloe gel supports a healthy immune system? Links to peer-reviewed studies or anything?

Today 09:45 NatashaBarnBotShingles

That is correct.... She did have a FL business.... Retail! Because she purchased so much for personal use she got a discount from signing up. She no longer has that account and never pushed the business to earn high income.

I just to gain a little clarity here Natasha. Your friend did only retail? This is not true. She had a significant team and they all left. Do you remember why? She pushed the retail aspect of the business a little to much and wore them out. Another friend of yours called a meeting over it. She then went on to build another team and instead of pushing the retail she followed 1cc retail, 4cc recruit plan. I appreciate your politeness on the forums but please do not lie.

What do I consider my business to be? I am a retailer, I am a mentor, My job doesn't change from day one! I still do all the things that new team do. I still retail and I recruit those who want to do what I do. I have never charged anyone in my downline for my coaching and never would!! As your team grows the cost of venues becomes far more expensive due to capacity... The venue hire cost would be all that was contributed to I would imagine. And if I wanted someone who works hard to come and train my team I would be happy to pay my but for that. I don't see myself as a huge achiever at all... I am nowhere near! I am just building a great team making sure everyone has support and are happy. I massively respect the people that have worked solid and they deserve their rewards for that but that wasn't what I personally joined for, im not in it to make a fortune, I wanted a better life for my kids and I got that. Could it all go wrong?? Maybe who knows, but life has a habit of going wrong all the time... we cross the bridges when we come to them! In the meantime this has given us as a family a comfortable life and for that I am grateful and have always and continue to work hard.
I am proud of what I do and I will always be proud even with varying opinions but we will face opposition in most decisions we make in life and if we took everyone else's opinions on board all the time we would just run around in circles trying to please everyone and never pleasing anyone!