MLM Bot Watch 13 - Chat about the tragicomical cultic racket (hic) of MLMs Forever Living, Younique, Jamberry, It works, (insert name of Utah MLM here) with posts by Eyes & jokes & desperate Bots

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Gosh I've missed a lot where I've been ill. But at least I'm at home in bed being paid sick pay from my job...

I'm quite shocked that people posy rubbish on the net, then get all artsy when it is shared and proved to be a load of rubbish? When will they learn people are seeing through all this load of garbage for what it is! At best it's smoke and mirrors at worse downright lies!

Thanks dad for the info. The reason I was asking was that I could not see how the bot had to refund the dissatisfied customer if the money had not gone through her (the bot's) bank account.
However this does raise another point - I have read (on this/previous) thread? That bot's are discouraged from opening business bank accounts. That seems a recipe for disaster.
And while I do agree with eye that the products may be smoke and mirrors - I do believe in "following the money" if you want to find the truth.

Its lovely having us all back on form. They seem to try every trick in the book but we bounce back up again. I am so glad I never got involved with any of the so called"business opportunities" . Its a vile way to try to "earn a living". I have never seen such a lot of materialistic, attention-seeking individuals in all my life. It would be my worse night-mare sitting in a "training" presentation having to listen to people talking about their life stories, and all that cheering, waving flags, lying down on floors (whatever thats all about, I dont know), talk about drama queens. If these individuals want to live like that then so be it, but dont keep ramming it down our throats, making us feel guilty about having a JOB, leaving our kids while we earn a living. Every time when I go on my fb there it is being forced upon me, I am in 4 different private web-sites, not through my own doing, I have been added on them by other people. I come out of them and I am added again. My fb is not there as an advertising board, I have asked people on fb to stop doing it but still it carries on, what am I to do? These people have involved me, thats why I am involved in these threads and thats why we have to carry on and not let individuals distract us. Right, rant over back to business.

It's exciting to know that these threads are having such an impact. It's also interesting to find that there is a LOT of unrest within the bot camps

However I do so hope that those calling "bully" will also link to the threads allowing people to see it all for themselves as I feel their so called supporters would most definitely change their tune.

If you really feel that these threads are unfair and unjustified show everyone and see what they have to say bots!

Someone a few pages back asked for expansions of the name Ariix. I put forward : Awful Rubbish If It's X-rayed.

Also does anyone else read the word as 'airfix'?

crumpetsfortea37 You've got it. In general, whatever 'MLM' racketeers want to draw everyone's attention to, should always be ignored. This is what makes it so comical, and tragic, that commercial regulators have been tasked with dealing with 'MLM' rackets. It's a bit like expecting insurance regulators to have dealt with Al Capone, because, after all, he claimed to 'sell insurance.' That said, Capone was finally put away for tax evasion, not racketeering, because legalistically, racketeering didn't exist in the USA until 1970.

Thanks for the welcome. I don't want to disclose too much on here until I have finalised what I am going to do. I want out because I can't be around the mentality of it all. Being made to feel a failure if you don't achieve the big things, being told that having a 'job' makes you an idiot, because you'll end up working for the rest of your life. I LIKE working!!! Sacrificing time with my children. I've always maintained that I will NOT miss out on time with them in order to earn huge amounts of money. I have been able to do this in the main. But as more people join the team, I will need to put more and more time aside, potentially missing more time. I've also realised that I don't need the huge amounts of money that you can earn. It would be nice, but hey, money isn't everything. More than anything, I miss not being able to go anywhere, without thinking I need to be on the lookout for potential customers/recruits. In short.....I want my life back 😔

BingoWings99 Would you have signed up for this, had you known that so-called 'MLM income opportunities' have all been hiding effectively 100% churn/loss rates? Would you have tried to recruit others had you known the truth?

Of course you wouldn't.

You've actually been recruited into a fiendish, self-perpetuating fraud designed to make victims feel entirely responsible for their own losses. You have also been tricked into trying to recruit others into the same fraud. This is what has made it so difficult for the overwhelming majority of 'MLM' victims to face the truth. It's also why all persons who do manage to face the truth and speak out, have been so admired on these threads.

Respect! and welcome.

Something that dawned on me yesterday. All these bots who say they earn several thousand a month and upwards, why do they not have a limited company set up and are they VAT registered? The limited company bit isn't necessary, however if you earn upwards of 50k a year it makes good business sense and any accountant should be telling you to do it. The VAT thing is obviously a legal requirement and it stands to reason that if you are receiving that amount of pay you are turning over a substantial amount. How do they get around this because I cannot honestly believe that the people I know of that are involved in MLMs are VAT registered.
Then there's the trading standards issues of compliant online and in the home sales. I came across an Ariix website where you can sign up and buy online. There were no compliant t's and c's regarding cooling off periods, address of distributor or returns policy.

More than anything, I miss not being able to go anywhere, without thinking I need to be on the lookout for potential customers/recruits.

Bingo - this is the part that I can't get my head around. I assume it becomes addictive and the training is designed in order to make it feel that way but honestly it sounds like the inability to switch off is exhausting, not to mention being unable enjoy a simple innocent conversation with a stranger about the weather without turning it into a discussion about the 'opportunity' sounds dull and laborious.

Is just so insincere and 99% of people can see straight through it.

Simply - I had thought this too, and those who have the apparent lavish lifestyles who have registered as a limited company generally are separate businesses, suggesting the funds don't come from MLM at all.

Exactly Patzy. My cousin boasts about his new (white) car and apartment he's got and yet he doesn't have a limited company. His direct upline manager does but his accounts are very over due. His registered business address is his accountant. Surely as a mentor he should be advising to set up a limited company in order to maximise profits?

A quick look at companies house for a well known FL bot shows the registered address for somewhere that is not the house she flaunts on Facebook.

It is totally exhausting. I absolutely love meeting new people, but at the moment I feel I can't do that without trying to mention 'the opportunity'. I want to be able to talk to people and just get to know them. And that's it. No ulterior motive. No sales pitch. Just chat!

FL does not allow anything other than an individual to be a distributor/ business owner. So FL business cannot go through a company. Current FL business owners who have companies may be using them to sell training material/planners/nothing at all - a lot of the accounts are due later on this year so we may be able to see.

FL what about those that do have limited companies set up? Does that mean their income is coming from a separate business? That would explain how they fund their lifestyles.

I think it is worth keeping an eye on Airiix because as mentioned up thread they seem to be a bit behind hand in paying attention to UK trading laws. Will be interesting to see how the health stuff is marketed, although the website does have the correct language 'xxx contains y which has been shown to'.

Just to further add to my last post, those that have limited companies insinuate it is MLM related from the name eg one is called Team "insert bots name" Ltd.

I found Ariix's product descriptions hilarious. A lesson in how to use as many long words as possible without saying anything at all. I particularly like the repeated use of the word "absorbable".

simply off hand I can think of at least 3 explanations: the company is just there so they can boast about it and actually does practically nothing (and they know this); an accountant has convinced them they need a company when they don't; or they have another business which may or may not be 'linked' and they are using the company for the other business. But really, at the low levels of profits we are talking about, a company gives very little benefit anyway.

BingoWings99 You have almost thought your way out of the 'MLM' labyrinth. If you just stick around these threads, you will be fine. There are plenty of people here to help you.

Welcome Bingowings, total respect to you and all of you that managed to get away from these scams. I have never been involved in one so I cant begin to understand what you have been through. It is bad enough to look in from the outside.

Bingo, its curious that you still feel that there are vast sums of money to be made, but you just dont "want" them? It sounds like you still believe, to an extent,
That the inability to rake in large sums of money is your fault? This makes me think that you either still buy into the concept that most people can make money in mlm (not true 99% dont). Or you are still feeling the effects of the blaming culture behind the (so named) attraction marketing techniques?Attraction marketing is a specific (BULLYING) brainwashing tool, designed specifically to shame victims (such as yourself) into believing they somehow caused their own misfortune. Its designed to mask the con, so that no-one calls them out on it when they leave. IMHO you can only be truly free of this nightmare, when you are able to reject the brainwashing, accept that you are the victim of this cleverly orchestrated mlm scam and that none of this is your fault. Should an abused child blame its self for being abused because it wasnt following the right mindset?

Apologies for poor grammar... Phone posting!

Bingo just stop.
You don't have to carry on!
Say "blow this for a game of soldiers I want to be the authentic me again"

Those that love you will be relieved.
Those who are angry were never your friends.

Lots of people leave real jobs every day because they've been offered a better one, or they hate it and can't continue, or they are being (genuinely) bullied. Or sometimes it just isn't the right fit. It's a normal thing to do.