MLM BOT WATCH 8 - Lighthearted chat and posts by Eyes about Forever Living, Ariix, It Works is a church, NuSkin, Younique, as scambralambascambaralamlas

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*honesty (I've had I won't blame the non existent fat fingers!)

Can I ask please what happens to your downline when you decide to stop actively selling/recruiting?

Kanga59 You've got an answer, but it's babble and white noise.

'The best way to recruit is by branding yourself and putting something of value in the marketplace.'

Ah Vego.

Now that, despite what was said earlier, you're apparently well and truly back, would you care to comment on the point I've already made twice before ?

Are you comfortable to 'get round the morals of all this ' as you said previously?

Hi all, was just wondering if anyone knows anything about a company called 'doTerra', which seems to be all about 'oil experiences'. I seem to be losing a friend to overpriced essential oils and have now been added to a secret Fb 'education group' where the benefits of these oils are extolled. My friend has fallen for it hook lime and sinker and has a cure for every common ailment. I've also seen a 'Younique' branded package at her door. Help!

I have 8 executives on my front line, so those I have directly sponsored or those who have " rolled " up to me, because their upline has left. I can't specify what their specific " executive rank " is as that would definitely out me! But, three earn at least £1500 a month from their team. I don't have anyone in my downline who earns as much as me right now. I have a lot more executives throughout my downline. Executive earnings are minimum £200 a month but it varies depending on volume or what rank they are at.

I do have many, many, selling rockstars who can sell £2000+ worth of product in a calendar month all by themselves. They will get between 30-43% of that...and I often send out free products to them as gifts that they can sell on and obviously get 100 percent profit from.

I run incentives monthly, and give away free gift cards, spa getaway treats etc.

Getting to executive is not easy. You need to do 4500 over maximum three months. And then to keep your title, you would need 2000 minimum each month therafter, but to maximise the compensation plan you need to aim for 3000.

Right now I have frontline team members who are " qualifying " executive and if it all goes through I then become a blue diamond which is the top of the compensation plan. I have to hold it for two months to be deemed an official blue diamond and 9 months to move into Team Elite.

To do it in the time frame I have done it in, is unusual.

Eyespying, I am going to ignore your posts because quite frankly you are rude. And you speak about me in such a way, that makes me feel like I am not even a person.

Babble and white noise it may be. But if you go and look at anyone online selling ebooks, courses, cd-roms, events, they will be branding themselves in the way I describe.

cozie you seem hellbent on " catching " me out.

So here is your answer. Yes, I am comfortable.

SignoraStronza

doTerra is yet another 'Mormon MLM' racket.

www.lazymanandmoney.com/doterra-essential-oils-scam/

So you can live comfortably with 'getting round' morality?

Interesting.

Yes I can.

Because I am a single mother, with no family. And to get to where I have, I have worked bloody hard.

I'm pretty sure I know who you are IRL vego, its a small world and you do sound like one of my good friends upline based on the info in your posts. I'm no troll hunter though so will not be naming names here and who knows I may even have the wrong person.

With an irony close exquisite, Vegodoll says that I speak of him/her in a way that makes him/her feel as though he/she is not a person.

I say that Vegodoll has failed the Turing Test by ignoring the majority of our not-unreasonable questions and systematically posing as a victim.

And that is one of my bigger problems with these schemes - the notion that morality can be left lying in a ditch as long as the individual concerned seems to prosper, even if only temporarily. I couldn't live with that attitude on my shoulders - I find it difficult to imagine how any perceived success could be enjoyed where it was at the expense of others.

rodney I guess with my rank, it is a bit hard to stay anonymous if I am answering all these questions. There are not that many UK diamonds.

cubiczirconia I think where there are thousands upon thousands of people selling the same thing on social media, you absolutely need to come across different or people just will not notice you or be interested in looking at your offers. So, I am not sure it is about popularity, but moreso about being different, authentic and genuine. If everyone is posting silly memes, and talking about being a #boss babe, they all become unremarkable.

That doesn't mean I recommend pretending to be something you aren't on social media day in and day out as I can imagine that would be exhausting, and I am tired as it is! But, like I said before, this is not limited to MLM. Having a strong online brand does seem to be an effective way for people to feel like they know you and trust you.

By the way, someone asked me if I stand behind my products. I think some of our products are over priced definitely! I only promote the ones I use myself, so the cheaper ones. I wouldn't promote something I don't like as that is a bit odd.

I don't think I said the majority of my downline don't want to earn. I have an ongoing leaders chat on Facebook, and I was simply going by the content of the conversations I read on a day to day basis. It is surprising!

I guess I would be anxious and protesting a lot also in such people's situations. They must be so very very tired.

Not wishing to rain on your parade, but from what you've said, you've spent some time building an online presence. Well done. But you are using your skill to con people. Why not use your online presence to sell something real, rather than to sell a dream to people who won't be able to recreate your online success? I just don't understand how you can be happy doing that.

I am not a con artist mimsy I am sorry, but I disagree with your assessment there. But you are entitled to your opinion. Crikey, I am too honest about what it takes, that I am often asked " when was the last time you slept Vego?

But yes, I have considered changing focus. I have a plan B off my cakeshop idea.

I am happy that I was able to pull me and my daughter out of the gutter, which is where we was last year. Do you know what it is like to be homeless, have no family, have a hungry child and not a lot of paper skills? Scary.

I made a decision to go into MLM out of necessity. Nothing more. I wouldn't be here if I'd had better circumstances. With better circumstances I would have been in a career where I could make a difference, not selling mud masks. But hey, I chose to fight for my life. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it! Because, I would do it all again.

How long have you been in the business? Having read that last post it seems not very long.

To an outsider it seems strange that some people can be earning a 6 figure sum in a very short period of time yet others barely break even after working for longer. If it is as simple as just replicating then why isn't everyone earning 6 figures?

And honestly, if what it takes, it to work 19+hrs a day, never sleep and never see my family I think I will stick to my average paid job and small house. Money isn't everything. (That is a general MLM point as all the top levels seem to need to do this)

I joined my company last year Jan.

When you are in dire straits, it is easy to rationalise that what you are doing is necessary to pull yourself out of the gutter. However, I would rather be on benefits than do that myself.

"With better circumstances I would have been in a career where I could make a difference, not selling mud masks." It's not the selling mud masks that's the problem. It's reeling in desperate, hopeful, poor people to strip them of their money that I don't like. Can you not see that?

Did you already have a sizable number of followers before you went into the MLM business, and used MLM as a way to monetise your site?

(I'm assuming here that you are making a decent profit - although that profit - if genuine - will be nothing compared with the money that is channelled from your marks, through you, and on to the top bods).

But yet, having put morality behind you, you would be prepared to seemingly do well on the shoulders of other people, mostly women, who might be desperate and worried about their own children?

I would be unable to sleep at night myself. (In fact, one of the few 'advantages' of working so hard must be that you're probably too tired to think much.)

People above me are making money off me all day long and I really couldn't care a less.

If I spend 15 hours a day helping those to achieve what I have achieved then yes my conscious is clear. I have had insane duplication, nearly 5500 people in 12 months? I am doing something right!

I guess you will have to think I'm a con artist. I'm still going to help all those people I "conned" tomorrow to get sales, and post out my team gifts. I'm not greedy.

Anyway, exhaustion calls. So I'm going to reply to team messages and then go to bed as I don't think there is anything left to say.

I do find it odd that you all seem to talk about "vulnerable" women being preyed on for MLM. But this whole thread is about taking the piss out of those "vulnerable bots" you seem to want to protect from MLM?