MLM BOT WATCH 8 - Lighthearted chat and posts by Eyes about Forever Living, Ariix, It Works is a church, NuSkin, Younique, as scambralambascambaralamlas

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Vego, you say you won't be doing it forever. Is your plan to work like mad for a couple of years, save up your earnings and then let the job fizzle out, living off your savings for a while? Then maybe get a normal job when your youngest child is at school?

Just de lurking to post this badge for sale from someone who is obviously fed up of being hassled to join!

Marking place and saying hi

Here are our instructions. It makes me channel my inner toddler. No I won't do it. Don't want to

Vegodoll is again telling us that 'NuSkin's' ritual Utopian message (that 'anyone can duplicate a 5 year plan which will not only bring them financial freedom, but the time to be with the people they love'), is a complete inversion of her own 15-19 hrs per day, exhausted reality.

vegodoll, best of luck and thanks for posting. You sound under pressure and that's a cult mainstay to stop you thinking rationally. Please take care and remember that the more you invest in something, the harder it is to leave. Being told "quitters never win" is dangerous when the thing you are quitting is bleeding you dry. The enclosed link I have posted before - it's long (2.5hours or so!) but shows an experienced scammer on top form. It was an Amway recommended tape. 2 hours of softening up the audience then the hard-sell - attend seminars, buy the tapes...

marking.

fuck me --- i go off line for a couple of hours and Vego returns......i hope you get some rest soon - i am self employed and i know it is hardwork but 19 hours a day?? that is not healthy and it worries me.

Vegodoll we were all hoping you'd be able to answer our questions so now that you're back, will you please?

WonderousStories Before it vanished, I asked a contact in the USA to take a look at Vegodoll's sanitised version of the 'NuSkin' controlling narrative. He read though some of the posts, and confirmed that even more than 20hrs per day for a committed 'Diamond' would not be unusual. However, for the rest, he said Vegodoll must be talking about another 'Nuskin,' because it doesn't even vaguely resemble the one he was once involved with.

He suggested I should post some links to more-extreme 'NuSkin' brainwashing material; particularly videos featuring Nathan Ricks, but I think that 4-5 minutes of this strutting 'NuSkin' shill Bot is quite enough.

I'm puzzled by what the "working 19 hours a day" might consist of. Dealing with actual sales surely doesn't take up much time at all. Once you've contacted all the people you know (however vaguely) initially, you would have run out of direct prospects. What else is there to do other than perhaps posting on internet forums etc, taking selfies and putting up motivational quotes? This is a genuine question.

Things take much longer to do when you're dog tired - in my experience anyway.

Resideria - I know I said 4-5 minutes was enough, but Nathan Ricks answers your question comprehensively in this video clip of him brainwashing lecturing a flock of 'NuSkin' Bots in London.

Just delurking to say that on the first link Eyes posted it looked like they were at the eurovision song contest with all that flag waving

As you were

Just had a chuckle to myself. Someone said earlier in the thread, success day is on the way, "the selfies will soon be up with coffees in their hands". First photo I see this morning is a selfie of my flbot with a coffee in her hand.#so predictable.

Resideria

Vegodoll claimed to be a 'NuSkin Diamond' with more than 5000 recruits in her section of the pyramid. However, 'Nuskin's' meagre annual retention rate (under 20%) means that if any shill wants to maintain his/her rank in the pecking order, or climb, he/she must spend all his/her waking hours trying to replace all the (80+%) drop outs, whilst constantly teaching the minority who persist how to attract, and retain, more recruits etc. ad infinitum. We've made the comparison of keeping plates spinning, but what is laughably described as, 'MLM success,' is also like trying to sail a ship which was secretly designed to sink unless the ill-informed crew bails faster and faster.

Those network marketing aloe-bots need to learn how to use hashtags properly - I've just seen one local to me post a hashtag of 'Strictly Come Dancing' as single words. I'm sure I don't need to tell you what sort of thing comes up when you hashtag the word 'come', do I?

I am guessing most of the six figure incomes in any of the mlms is cyclic money. Surely no one is selling hundreds of thousands pounds worth of products to customers.

MrGrumpy01 No one now seriously disputes that the overwhelming majority of so-called 'MLM sales' have always been to 'MLM' contractees rather than to members of the general public. What is being disputed, is the reason why all these countless millions of constantly-churning persons have kept signing take-it-or-leave-it contracts with so-called 'MLM' companies, and why they obediently kept handing over their money in exchange for products (often of a absurd and dubious pseudo-scientific nature) which, at the fixed prices being charged, were self-evidently unsaleable on the open-market.

'MLM' shills have to form less than 1% of any 'MLM' racket. Whilst they remain active, they have been paid kick-backs from classic dissimulated closed-market swindles, a.k.a. pyramid schemes. The 'MLM' bosses have pocketed the lion's share whilst loudly boasting about how much has been paid out to the shills. In this way, billions of stolen dollars have been transferred from countless millions of people, to a relatively small number of fabulously wealthy racketeers, most of whom reside in the USA (particularly Utah).

It is no exaggeration to say that the 'MLM' phenomenon has been one of the most-extensive, unlawful money transfer schemes in human history.

vego {{{hugs}}} being exhausted is tough. Hope you get some sleep tonight.

My not at the Success Day is asking people to contribute to the charity Dot.com.

What's the score here? I've seen photos of bots holding signs saying DOTCOMforever too.

Is it connected to FL in some way?

Forever Ireland has just posted an Easter incentive. An Easter hamper goes to anyone who, within the next month, does 1cc sales and recruits 2 new assistant supervisors who also do 1cc sales. That's 1cc sales and 6cc from recruiting. There is no better way to illustrate that recruitment is everything in FLP and the products are incidental. If the products were of equal importance, as they claim, they would surely offer the hamper to anyone who does 7ccs in the month, whether by retail or recruitment #pyramidscheme #desperatetimes

Dotcom seems to be a charity that goes round schools teaching children to be safe. www.dotcomcf.org/who-are-we/ Forever Living Products are listed as a friend of the charity. Presumably they do fundraising for them?

If vega is spending 15-19 hours a day trying to replace her rapidly depleted downline in order to keep her precarious position in the company plus corresponding income, it sounds like a miserable existence indeed. Overwhelming, in fact .

I am spending the weekend at a lovely hotel with spectacular spa area and feeling totally relaxed and pampered . An mlm bot would not be able to relax in such a place with a rich seam of prospective downline. She/he would have to spend time accosting and canvassing anyone and everyone the whole time, including staff. What kind of life is that?

Trouble is, when you're in so deep you can't see the wood for the trees. I hope that eventually vega can see how insane the situation she has described is. It just can't be sustainable without health issues becoming an issue eventually.

vego sorry you are so exhausted.

Would love to have your thoughts on the pictures I posted as they seem so typical of NuSkin sellers on FB yet you have said none of those tactics apply to your team?