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MLM-Bot Watch 5 - Juice+, Forever Living, Younique, Arbonne, newbie ARIIX, and our own Parslai-powered Timeless Vie

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acatcalledjohn · 02/02/2016 13:36

As you were, team, as you were.

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CubicZirconiaBB · 06/02/2016 11:14

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darceybussell · 06/02/2016 11:14

Ah I see what you mean Cubic, so this one flogs the training, but it's an MLM too! They pay you $100 for every person you bring in to buying their training! Wowzers!!

CubicZirconiaBB · 06/02/2016 11:20

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FLhahaha · 06/02/2016 11:27

Thanks Patzy and others for the links - I hope people don't mind but I have sent a few PMs asking for information you may have relating to FL in relation to my letter about the Data Protection Act. If anyone wants to PM me, feel free!

Obviously in a few hours I will post the obligatory 'Thanks for all the PMs, huns, inbox overflowing!' Grin.

IorekByrnisonsArmour · 06/02/2016 11:34

"When talking about the products you tell them what they are good for and say " I don't know if you know anyone with...."
This then gets them thinking about potential customers before they have signed up"

penny that made me feel sick. My FLBot has many family members with various illnesses - from skin conditions to genetic disorders. Do you think she was seeing ££££ signs when she was brainwashed recruited?

CubicZirconiaBB · 06/02/2016 11:37

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thetemptationofchocolate · 06/02/2016 11:39

When I was an Amway bot I was told I would get nowhere unless I had the tape of the week and the book of the month. All at a cost, of course. Then there were the monthly rah-rah sessions at some cheap hotel or conference centre, and the weekend dos. Again, these cost a fair bit of money.

There was a LOT of pressure to attend all the available things, even though they were exactly the same each time. The time it took just to do that was horrifying. Then there was the time spent listening to the brainwashing tapes, and reading the 'you can do it' books.

It's a bit like living with a controlling partner; only allowed to do certain things, and other things (like cooking a decent meal, or seeing friends socially, or having any fun at all) are Very Bad, and the reason why you have not succeeded.

When the business was investigated it was the sales of these motivational items which were under scrutiny, and it seems that's where the money came from to fund the top peoples' lifestyles. Reading between the lines of things I saw/heard later, it literally was only the top two couples who ever made any money.

I would not be very surprised if similar is happening in all the MLM rackets.

cozietoesie · 06/02/2016 11:42

One thing I've noticed from the various people in the videos is that they all look so deeply tired. OK, it may be partially covered in some cases with a slather of makeup but it's still there if you know what to look for.

CubicZirconiaBB · 06/02/2016 11:46

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Eyespying · 06/02/2016 11:59

'Positive Thinking' or 'Positive Mindset' is only another way of saying 'Unquestioning Belief.'

'MLM' is just an up-dated, faith-based fraud.

Classically, any quantifiable evidence, and all free-thinking individuals, challenging the 'MLM' fairy story, have been systematically excluded by it and branded with derogatory dehumanising terms: 'negatives, haters, dream stealers, anti-capitalists,' etc.

The higher victims climb in the 'MLM' pyramids the more extreme, and religious, the controlling narratives have become. Ultimately, in groups like 'Amway' and 'FLP,' the most gung-ho leaders become convinced that negative dream-stealer represent a supernatural force of evil - the Devil - and that determined MLM critics are engaged in a war against a righteous system given to the world by God.

Eyespying · 06/02/2016 12:02

The following is a transcript of a brainwashing ‘tape’ entitled: ‘How to Handle Negative Websites’, produced and distributed by the ‘InterNet Services Corporation,’ an organization which was registered in the USA as a ‘privately-controlled limited-liability commercial company’ (apparently independent of ‘Amway’), but owned by ‘Amway Diamond Distributor’, Dexter Yager.

‘I'm convinced more and more each day that this (‘Amway’) business was God's idea. What I'm saying is God created this (‘Amway’) business so that we could pull families together and help people — and the Devil does not like that ! If you don't believe there's a Devil, go on the Internet ! Man I'm telling you, there's a Devil ! The Devil does not like this (‘Amway’) business ! - He does not like the unity in this (Amway’) business ! All I want to say to you is: guys, if I were the Devil and I saw a business that was keeping marriages together, where that men learned how to love their wife … they're taught from stage in Leadership sessions how to love their wife … where women are taught how to really integrate the marriage … the husband and wife relationship … where parents are taught how to bring up their children and encourage them to speak life and positive things into them so that those children have good healthy self-images and believe that they can really do anything that they put their minds to do . If I saw a business that was responsible for holding those marriages and families together, and getting people out of debt, and learning how to treat people with dignity, respect and kindness … a business that gave people hope for freedom, hope for their financial future … that a person could not even succeed in this (‘Amway’) business without helping somebody else, and that the more people you help the more money you make… a business that teaches the principles of morals and ethics and integrity, that gives dignity to human life, that validates marriages an institution that should be reverenced that should not be put down or criticised or belittled .… If I saw a business that did all those things and so much more for humanity .… If I were the Devil, I'd hate it with a passion ! And I am convinced that not only does Satan hate the Church, I'm convinced with all my heart that Satan has good reason for hating this (‘Amway’) business. He has good reason for hating Dexter and Birdie and every Leader in their organisation. Satan hates this (‘Amway’) business with a passion, because this (‘Amway’) business stands for everything he hates ! And if you want to know whose behind those Websites, all I ask you is, who could it be… huh ? … Could it be Satan ?’

Pastor Mark Gorman 2001

finallyregisteredtopost · 06/02/2016 12:05

I see what you mean cubic. So a new bot might try to sell the producys for a while but when that doesn't work they'll get sucked in to the next stage

Eyespying · 06/02/2016 12:06

CubicZirconiaBossyBabe

Ego destruction is the warped plank on which totalistic thought reform is always built.

I recommend anyone interested in this phenomenon, to read: 'Cults in Our Midst' by Prof. Margaret Singer.

NorbertDentressangle · 06/02/2016 12:16

"One thing I've noticed from the various people in the videos is that they all look so deeply tired."

Tired but still with that inane "isn't my life just so wonderful and perfect" grin on their faces.

My bot did a 15 hour day yesterday, driving halfway across the country to hold planning meetings with her teamies - yet, whereas most of us after a long day like that would admit to being tired/grumpy/fed up or (god forbid) moaning about their job, she was posting grinning selfies in her car at the service station and smiley lovey-dovey photos with her DH when she finally got home and had a takeaway with him at nearly midnight.

I wouldn't be grinning if my Friday night was spent alone on the M5 or if I didn't get chance to eat until a hurried takeaway at midnight.

Like most, I'd admit to being knackered and just want my bed when I got home after a 15 hour day ....but then again I'm not trying to be aspirational and get people to want to be me and have my wondrous made up lifestyle.

They are so full of shit!

Do they keep it up all the time or, after the grinning selfie, do they revert to being normal human beings with a range of emotions?

CubicZirconiaBB · 06/02/2016 12:20

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Eyespying · 06/02/2016 12:25

It's no coincidence that 'MLM' activities drag on late into the night, and Bots are told that 'only wimps and losers rest.' It's also no coincidence that many 'MLM' cults peddle dietary products.

Totalistic thought reform, a.k.a. brainwashing, techniques are far more effective when inflicted on persons deprived of sleep and protein.

CubicZirconiaBB · 06/02/2016 12:25

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CubicZirconiaBB · 06/02/2016 12:32

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LemurFingers · 06/02/2016 12:39

My new younique bot has started posting videos of her kids wearing the make up - all dolled up with eyeliner etc. They are 1 and 3. Bluuuug

LemurFingers · 06/02/2016 12:40

In her group 90% of the time the only one who likes or comments of her barrage of inspirational/product photos is....her upline!

Eyespying · 06/02/2016 12:41

CubicZirconiaBossyBabe As ever, the closed-logic 'MLM' fairy story is a complete inversion of quantifiable reality, but it cannot be challenged by its adherents, because it brands all challengers 'negative'.

The 'MLM' phenomenon has torn countless families (not just marriages) apart, and continues to do so, because Bots eventually can't tolerate anyone whose critical, and evaluative, faculties function.

'Negatives' become a threat to future salvation and they are seen by the most fanatical Bots as fair game to be lied to, cheated and (ultimately) destroyed.

This is what has happened to the 'FLP' whistleblower, Craig Morgan. It also once happened to me with my Ambot family.

Craig and I realise that 'MLM' cults are absolutely no different to any other cult: they are totalitarian states in microcosm.

rayofhope · 06/02/2016 12:58

I remember a few months ago AL talking about 'monkey see, monkey do' so basically the newbies are just little monkeys who they teach to follow what the top ones are doing. It's all about duplication. Get your team to do what you're doing and you'll go far!

And don't work with the ones who aren't doing what you're telling them to. So they're not interested in spending money to sign up to the 21 day mind set training brainwashing, then they're not investing in their own future. How can you expect to succeed? Don't forget about the websites to sign up to, forever knowledge (£10 per month) FLP 360 - for when you want to see what all you're downline are doing (£13 per month) Then there's the group websites you can sign up to too (not saying price as don't want to out myself)

Then theres business cards, stickers so your name is on anything you sell, gift wrapping for special occasions, pens, paper, passion planners/my pro planner, leaflets, catalogues, samples, oh and don't forget P&P on everything you order. Honestly, it soon all adds up. That 35-48% profit you're making won't last long