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MLM-Bot Watch 5 - Juice+, Forever Living, Younique, Arbonne, newbie ARIIX, and our own Parslai-powered Timeless Vie

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acatcalledjohn · 02/02/2016 13:36

As you were, team, as you were.

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Mootpointer · 03/02/2016 18:56

ribbet good find, PowerPoint drivel - over to Twitter for a gander thenGrin

penny1ane · 03/02/2016 19:00

I wonder whether this post from an flbot is related to MN and TV?

MLM-Bot Watch 5 - Juice+, Forever Living, Younique, Arbonne, newbie ARIIX, and our own Parslai-powered Timeless Vie
Eyespying · 03/02/2016 19:08

I once started to receive a bit of traffic from David J W Bailey's warning about MLM, and I even posted a brief article about what he'd written, because I found it impossible to make contact with him.

My main objection to the David J. W. Bailey website is the fact that although he's worked out the fraud and produced a superb and witty explanation, he's not worked out that 'MLM' is a blame the victim cultic racket and he is still blaming the victims to certain extent.

This is no way to get 'MLM' victims to speak out.

stopfaffing · 03/02/2016 19:17

throwing, I'm quite shocked about that. I was involved in our local NCT for several years when my two were babies/toddlers. I ran a couple of baby/toddler groups and also edited/produced the magazine (more than 20 years ago albeit), before fb or mobile phones Grin.

I am disappointed if this is the case nationally, it sounds most unlike them. Can you find out if it is? Or is it a bot who has got their claws into your local groups' facebook page?

MrGrumpy01 · 03/02/2016 19:21

I'm guessing the irony is somewhat lost on them penny

sminkypink · 03/02/2016 19:23

And we know that the lies and hype continue, behind newly private Facebook profiles and in private messages. Stable door/horse, much?
But more and more strong and determined women are coming forward with thrir experiences, because they can see it for what it is and it's fraud, it's deception and often laws are broken.
No amount of passive aggressive Facebook bullshit memes, hand wringing speeches and locked down pages are going to detract from this fact.
Keep coming forward whistleblowers, well done and thank you.

stopfaffing · 03/02/2016 19:23

Groan, a brief google of "NCT and Forever Living" came up with this little gem, looks like from 2013, but see numbers 31,32 and 33. Can you imagine the fl-bots delight at having three wonderful opportunities to sell aloe shite AND sign up recruits! Shock. I wonder how it went...

MLM-Bot Watch 5 - Juice+, Forever Living, Younique, Arbonne, newbie ARIIX, and our own Parslai-powered Timeless Vie
throwingpebbles · 03/02/2016 19:27

Exactly stopfaffing
A quick google confirms they have FL at pretty much every NCT event.Angry

Motorheadmum · 03/02/2016 19:30

As i said in the last thread I was sucked in by Arbonne at a particularly low point in my life, it was then my fault when I couldn't attend events etc. I am glad that I did fight and get my money back but I know not everyone can. I still have all the old Arbonne packs on my email.

Patzy85 · 03/02/2016 19:37

Penny - the thing is that I don't think most bots really would believe that. If they are normal people there's a good chance they'd look at these threads and have some serious doubts. If someone reads these as lies then they're maybe a little foolish. There's over 5000 posts, loads of solid evidence and referencing. Loads of people all feelings the same way about it! So to believe this is all lies shows nothing more than a blind faith in aloe!

I feel like asking bots if they know about these threads!!!!

Mootpointer · 03/02/2016 19:43

motorheadmum feel free to share that guff.

FLhahaha · 03/02/2016 19:53

Eye to (try) to answer your question about VAT. You asked whether the £82k threshold would have to be met from MLM 'bonuses' and 'retail sales'. Well, the answer is that if the threshold was met from those things there would definitely be a requirement to register (so some of the bots with large cheques should be registered). There could be NO PROFIT AT ALL and STILL a requirement to register. If A sold stuff to B for £90k, and B sold to C for £90k, both A and B would need to register.

And the turnover includes 'business goods used for personal reasons' AND goods you bartered or gave as gifts AND may also include sales you make (in the same capacity i.e. an individual) in another business. Eg if someone was a self employed hairdresser, say, or a beautician, and made some sales there then that might also count.

And you don't mess with VAT. The penalties are designed to ensure compliance, so can be quite stiff just for being a few days late with stuff. And the Customs people have a reputation for being tougher than the income tax lot.

So all of those facebook posts about 'six figure incomes'. Well, we all know if it means anything it means turnover not profit. But before the turnover gets near that, start registering for VAT. Because HMRC search facebook, and if you have to be a Distributor in your own name then it is pretty easy for them to see if you are registered or not. And if they just think you should be, I wouldn't like to have to be the one who said 'well yes, I did say that I earned that, but it is all lies really' because they hear that all the time!

And once you are registered, it is a hassle. Quarterly returns etc. EVEN if there is no profit!

I want to get the message across that you can't 'play' with being a business. If you do, it may be a lot more hassle than you think.

But I also want to reiterate what everyone else is saying - respect to anyone who gets out. If anyone is worried about what I am saying, PM me and I will try to help!

Motorheadmum · 03/02/2016 19:57

More than happy too moot its cringeworthy that I actually believed it. One of the big 'selling points' was a girl who had got the white merc in 6 weeks... How I didn't see through that I don't know. (Hmm). Everyone I knew except one have left as they saw it fir what it was.

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Ribbet8890 · 03/02/2016 20:05

Patzy85 I am truly converted.... where do i sign up?

throwingpebbles · 03/02/2016 20:06

Photo carefully edited to remove personal details. But it was a post by a v high up FL bot

Shows how they keep convincing bots not to give up even when they aren't making money

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Run247 · 03/02/2016 20:08

I see that Claire spencer from Success Inspired posted photos of some kids she sponsors in Africa. As well as two clear photos of their report cards containing their full names, school address and grades.

If someone posted that info about my kids, I'd be fuming!! They didn't choose to have those details on the web.

Ribbet8890 · 03/02/2016 20:08

Joanne ‏@funder_fighs 9 Nov 2015
#juicelifeuk #foreverliving #c9 #juicecleanse #detox #marketing #bollocks FYI m.livescience.com/48767-juice-cleanse-myths.html

not a fan by the looks of it....

Ribbet8890 · 03/02/2016 20:11

for animals lovers.

interesting.....

darceybussell · 03/02/2016 20:12

Ah that does sound like a terrible week that that poor girl had, those pesky questions! I don't know how they cope with people asking questions all the time before they hand over their hard earned £200! Why can't they just get their hands in their pockets and hand over all their money!

Eyespying · 03/02/2016 20:13

FLhahaha - Thanks.

One also wonders how much of the 'mindset' material has been peddled for cash without any payment of taxes.

Ribbet8890 · 03/02/2016 20:13

Patzy85 That seems perfectly reasonable! It is not like there is any risk and I will be cashing massive cheques in no time because I am just a vessel brimming with positivity!

sminkypink · 03/02/2016 20:14

Integrity as a value? Oh yeah?