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MLm-bot watch - now including Timeless Vie!!

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CheekySmile · 29/09/2015 12:37

Continuing the discussion of the MLMs Forever Living, Herbal Life, Juice Plus, Younique etc, plus our very own MN-MLM Timeless Vie!

www.facebook.com/timelessvie
twitter.com/timelessvie

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/2437667-MLM-bot-watch-FL-Juice-Plus-Younique-etc

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mobiusgeek · 25/10/2015 22:17

Siwi if you go back a few pages, we learned that Coopers upline/sponsor/mentor (wherever) is a sinister little character called Dave o conner. He too conveniently knows the 'secrets of success' and will share them for a price And his mindset thing they all parp on about is about $100. In any video/periscope I've seen with them both in it, they conveniently mention how invaluable the mindset tapes and pro planners have been to their success. Funny that.

Just Look at his bio. I like to refer to him as Jafar from Aladdin...

MLm-bot watch - now including Timeless Vie!!
mobiusgeek · 25/10/2015 22:19

siwi in my humble opinion, it appears that way. The similarities are uncanny.

PopcornFrenzy · 25/10/2015 22:20

Wow, just googled 'shill' and was shocked to see that some of a shills action may be illegal

acatcalledjohn · 25/10/2015 22:23

Last week I caught some of those lashes shown upthread and chucked them out of the bedroom window.

Siwi · 26/10/2015 09:09

Thanks Möbius; I missed that.

Also watched the interview with Steve Hassan.

EC gives a very good 'personal testimony of former convert', a standard cult characteristic. Working in the 'drug squad', being assaulted twice, suffering from crippling anxiety and depression, newly pregnant and miles from family, the artful tears....

'I was lost, but now I'm found, I was blind, but now I see...'

mobiusgeek · 26/10/2015 09:11

Ps. I think the bottom line is they are all being conned like Eric... Have you read MoD?x

Siwi · 26/10/2015 10:19

Two colleagues murdered...(forgot that)

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DreamingOfTheBeach · 26/10/2015 16:01

Someone posted earlier in the thread showing natalie heeleys company check record.
I didn't fully understand it at the time, so I checked again today to get a better understanding of her business finances.
She is showing (for year 2014)
Net worth -£211,694 (minus)
Liabilities £363,474
I was nor sure exactly what liability ment, so I checked - it means how much a company owes
Current assets £149,648 - again I wasn't 100% sure on meaning, so I checked. It means total amount held in either stock or money. (My bets on stock!)
So with all that info, I still didn't feel like I understand her finances, so I checked the implications of a business being in negative net worth.
There is a huge amount of info on this, but I think this sums it up well

Calculating the net worth of your business is fairly simple to do. Net worth is expressed as an outcome of subtracting your total liabilities from your total assets. In other words, you add up the value of all assets, which generally include cash and other equity. You then add up all your debt. Subtract that debt from your assets and the resulting number is your net worth.

Negative Net Worth

When a business has more liabilities than assets, it is said to have a negative net worth. However, this negative net worth actually indicates that the business is insolvent or bankrupt. Individuals can have a negative net worth and not necessarily have to declare bankruptcy so long as they can service their debt in installments. The same is true of a business, but generally businesses that are insolvent do not tend to last much beyond the point of bankruptcy. Once bankruptcy has been officially declared, business assets are sold off to pay creditors and the business is dissolved.

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lastuseraccount123 · 26/10/2015 18:00

wow. so she's doing so well that she's technically insolvent.

good digging dreaming

Brysonette · 26/10/2015 18:10

Hello, new here although I have been lurking for a while after loosing a friend to ACN (the MLM seemingly targeted towards men), who will not see reason and is loosing a lot of money jugging by his increasingly desperate Facebook posts slamming, by now, ex-friends who won't get ripped off 'help him with his company'.
Grin at acatcalledjohn
I don't know how to properly read company reports, so thanks for that outline Dreaming. I'd like further info on this since the public company records are undisputed facts rather than the seemingly fictional earnings waved around publicly on huge cheques or the actual earnings kept under closer wraps than Area 51. After reading about the threats deployed in MoD perhaps the FLbots are being threatened with being drowned in Aloe Gel if they reveal their income?!

acatcalledjohn · 26/10/2015 19:17

Dream, that is amazing detective work! I would like to offer you Wine & Cake for that very valuable excuse the pun piece of info! I would imagine that EC's accounts if she ever files them would result in a similar negative net worth.

acatcalledjohn · 26/10/2015 19:22

In other news: I appear to have pissed off my FL bot friend. I shared the EC video on FB with a negative comment. The conversation went as follows:

Me (original post): The brilliant thing is that she does not own this house. In fact, it is for sale. Talk about deceiving people. If there wasn't a product attached you'd think it was a pyramid scheme...
Bot: I know this is aimed at me. If me making a bit of extra cash selling products I love is a bad thing then I'm obviously a bad person. Heaven forbid I actually succeed at something!
Me: Why would it be? My issue is the lies this woman spouts. I've been interested in this whole cult thing since long before you joined up.
I don't begrudge you anything. I know you want to better yourself and good luck to you. I hope you do succeed, but I do not believe this is the way to do it. Still, your choice.
However, on my FB page I am allowed to share my views without compromise.
Me again: I should add by the way that the most prominent liar simply appears to be part of FL at this moment. I equally have an issue with Younique, Nuskin, Arbonne, and all the others. I did have an argument with an FL person ages ago after I asked who their products were certified by. She couldn't and wouldn't answer. I eventually did my own digging and found that the products are certified by a U.S. organisation which on the board has founders of FL, NuSkin, Arbonne etc.
So they certify their own product, effectively.
Bot: You are entitled to your opinion, which is justified if people are misleading others. I don't really pay attention to the jargon I just like the products and selling
Me: And that is fine. I don't challenge you on your posts because I don't intend to start an argument with a friend. Besides, it's your page and you do with it as you please.
Plenty of Younique presenters do it for the products (even if they look like they've stuck dead spiders to their eye lashes), and I shan't say anyone is not allowed to like a product. Each to their own.
But don't take it as a personal attack. If I wanted it to be a personal attack, it would be very clear, not some passive aggressive bollocks.

acatcalledjohn · 26/10/2015 19:29

It is frustrating that my issues with a company/person within a company are taken as a personal attack. Emma Cooper is a lying witch, but that doesn't mean my friend is.

It's kind of like: I hate most estate agents. They are horrible. I have friends who are estate agents. I will speak my mind and say that overall I cannot stand estate agents.

And everyone continued their day happily.

MLM's make their bots so fucking paranoid that they turn in to socially very anxious and sometimes nasty people.

skyeskyeskye · 26/10/2015 19:31

I posted on FB this week about saving to go to DLP. Within minutes I'd received a message from FL friend about how she's earning £300-£500 a week in 10-15 hours. I ignored it. how awful to swoop like that though!!

I now have a friend seeing Younique who is having an online party tonight at 8pm. You can do it in your pjs!! Yay! Whatever. She's posted before and after pics. Both awful tbh. Grin

GriefLeavesItsMark · 26/10/2015 19:57

I noted that EC said that she said she heard about FL two years before she joined as she 'wasn't ready' and that one of her friends had the only just joined because she 'wasn't ready before'. Implication, if you just wait long enough they will come round.

Is there any information on how long the average 'stay' with FL is?

JustRosieHere · 26/10/2015 20:17

I'm not sure because I don't want to watch again, but does anyone else find the dates just don't add up in ECs video. She was 30 weeks pregnant when she stared and gave up the police within 6 months but I'm pretty sure the police give a generous maternity package so why wouldn't you wait that out? Also the police officers I know earn approx £30k a year so that times two is a very decent household income plus overtime and potential promotion/career prospects.

DreamingOfTheBeach · 26/10/2015 20:32

Thankyou for both Cake and Wine!
Emma cooper ltd will have to post her accounts in January.
As far as I'm aware a business can delay posting for a maximum of 3 months, however after that time period they must show their account by law.
Larger company's such as marks and Spencer for example will post 6 monthly or even quarterly.
It will be revealing for sure. Although it's worth bearing in mind that her income will include her diary figures too, so it won't give a true representation of her FL income alone.

I'm also reading merchants of deception, so thank you to the many posters who recommended it, very interesting read.
Lots of similarities between the two companies.

WicksEnd · 26/10/2015 21:17

Oh god, are you about to help me dodge a bullet? Blush Does anyone know anything about Neals yard stuff? I was looking on their website today and thought hmmm I wouldn't mind getting into selling it to friends. (I have a job already but like their products!) Are they all just scams? I immediately delete anyone selling FL as they seem to get a personality transplant in a forever banging on about it way Grin
I would not be posting 3,000 FB status updates about it nor claiming it had made me into a millionaire!
Advice welcome! Am I insane? Am I just drawn to the shiny blue bottles and would keep it all for myself anyway? Hmmmm!

AJFsmummy · 26/10/2015 21:25

Facial expressions on the EC vid.... Curve of the mouth to the side in parts, looking up her left in parts. The whole story is a farcical.

acatcalledjohn · 26/10/2015 22:02

With the likes of Neal's Yard and Avon you are normally ok as it's direct selling without the recruiting bollocks you get from FL, Younique, etc.

WicksEnd · 26/10/2015 22:07

Ahh, ok, thanks for the reply AcatCalledjohn, worth knowing I'd not be selling my soul Smile I'll wait until I get some more info, see if it's worth the time or not!

acatcalledjohn · 26/10/2015 23:34

You wouldn't at all Smile. The lady who waxes my legs is a new NY distributor. She's only mentioned it in conversation, and never with an intent to sell to me specifically.

It's much more like Avon & Ann Summers.

LittleMissStubborn · 27/10/2015 06:35

Is NH the one who claims to pay her children's school fees up front and is forever taking them on holiday? How can that tie in with her assests?

Unless, as I said upthread, she recieves generous maintenance that pays for that and just pretends it is from FL.

LittleMissStubborn · 27/10/2015 06:40

cat I have just re-read your conversation. Talk about a paranoid leap to conclusions. It is quite sad really that she (and probably many others) have ended up in that mindset - Anything negative is not just a slur on the business but you personally. It shows how hard it is for people to get out and why they end up breaking away from anyone not in the mlm.