MLm-bot watch - now including Timeless Vie!!

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Continuing the discussion of the MLMs Forever Living, Herbal Life, Juice Plus, Younique etc, plus our very own MN-MLM Timeless Vie!

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twitter.com/timelessvie

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/2437667-MLM-bot-watch-FL-Juice-Plus-Younique-etc

Have you seen the latest training scam? Las vegas next Dec. £490 or you can buy 5 tickets for £1,500. Then youve got to find accommodation and flights. but its worth it, Richard Branson is doing some of the training. My flbot is making out its a holiday and she cant believe fl give her the opportunity to be able to go, no mention of the cost. The whole trip will probably cost about a grand. Merchants of Deception comes to mind again

Mmmmm my FL bot has mentioned the Vegas trip, she makes it sound like an all expenses paid trip...interesting

How do you know they have to scrape together all the ££££ for Vegas Annie? My bot is making out its free too!? Crazy!!

Cant see Branson wanting to do a speech for pyramid schemers....

I've been reading about Eric Worre who is the 'Network Marketing Pro' that runs the Vegas event recently as one of my bots had been to his first UK event in Manchester last week.

Here's the phone call with Richard Branson accepting his invite to talk next year, I wonder if he really knows what he's endorsing here?

Not sure if I have mentioned this before. A friend got into utility warehouse and persuaded DH to become part of her team with promises of amazing opportunities etc. This was a few years ago and we hadn't heard of MLMs. When he realised how it worked he backed away and isn't involved any more.

She still sends him updates and incentives. Last year she told him that if he signed up so many people in a certain time, he could go on a ski trip with UW. He was impressed at the prospect of a free ski holiday and got in touch with her. It turned out that the trip wasn't free at all. He would have to pay for everything. He told her that if he was going to pay for a ski holiday he would prefer to go with his family, not a bunch of brainwashed strangers.

Thinking ahead to the next thread title then, do you think anything is missing from this?

Discussion of the network marketing companies Forever Living, Herbal Life, Juice Plus etc as a pyramid scheme or scam

I'm trying to think of what people who are doing their research before signing up might Google?

Thoughts?

Oh and Brian Friedman from the FL toothpaste fiasco last week is going into the jungle this weekend for I'm A Celeb. Do you think he might take his Forever Bright with him?!

CheekySmile I've been looking at the go pro event as well. Tickets to watch the 2014 event ONLINE were $197, it just beggars belief. They have a very strict no pitching / prospecting rule for the estimated 300 MLM companies involved. This will ensure that people like branson cannot be accused of endorsing a particular product or company. He will deliver his mindset training and be straight onto his jet. The large payment to either himself or a charity will already be in the bank. I guess speaking to 'leaders' groups is standard fare for him and checks into the validity of the companies is limited, after all he's just a speaker, no endorsement. How the mlm's choose to frame his appearance is a different kettle of fish of course.

ambler21 many thx. There has been much criticism of politicians, biz leaders etc who present - for large fees - at MLM conferences. One of the issues is that it looks like a legit corporate event, and all the attendees are enthusiastic and cheer to the echo. How can the presenters judge? It all appears kosher... A bit like being asked to present at a religious event?

cheeky can we keep "MLM bot watch" in the title? like "MLM bot watch - discussing FL, herbalife, JP as scams/pyramid schemes'

To watch the 2015 go pro mastery event streaming online they kindly sold tickets at a reduced price of $297.............

Jayne Leach, she's the one who told me her business was worth over £2m! I didn't believe her so researched her company and found it's worth quite a bit less.. companycheck.co.uk/company/05801667/GEMTEAM-MARKETING-LIMITED/summary

She also said her kids would be getting payments from forever even after she'd died. It was weird!!

I've got a younique bot asking if anyone wants a full younique makeover. No responses yet.

I'm pretty sure Richard Branson knows all about MLMs etc. - Virgin Media broadband is one of the products 'sold' by ACN. ACN seems a particularly toxic MLM from the posts by my ACN bot.
reps.acneuro.com/ACN-Europe_files/docs/uk/Broadband_OrderProcess_UK.pdf

Ah! No! No I lied it wasn't Jayne Leach it was another one with a very similar name. Probably shouldn't say names actually!

I'm working my way though Jayne's speech (its an hour long) and find the carefully crafted manipulating questions interesting.

One set of questions explores what the prospective fl-er wants to achieve in monetary terms.

The example given wants to have 'financial freedom' and this means bringing in £2000 per month initially. What this doesn't explore is the cost expended by the fl-er in making this amount of money; including attending regular expensive training sessions, regularly buying training merchandise, buying fl products to use themselves. The questions carefully funnel the fl-er towards achieving their particular goal using the 4CC success factor formula. Its slick.

What it all boils down to is that the main focus is recruiting a downline to make money out of. Selling products take second place.

This is what makes it a false business opportunity as opposed to a real one. Real businesses do not encourage competition because it reduces their customer base. MLM's don't make money from customers buying products, only their downline.

Yes cheeky just listening to the bit about introducing the products (should take only 10 minutes) not being as important as identifying the first three people to join your downline. Its all there! Downline is everything! You have been warned!

Jayne's now talking about the importance of attending every single meeting and makes a critical comment to the gathering about some who are there who do not attend meetings regularly .

It is not surprising that MLM's have an urgent need to constantly reinforce their message and continue to cultivate slavish obedience of their downlines. Regular meetings where merchandise is sold (particularly to fl-ers who may be struggling to achieve their 4CC's).

Good idea last I'll set up a new thread now and link this one to it.

Ok, new thread is here

Nice to see a new thread and a TV website.
All my bots seem to be on the Clean 9 this week so they can get into those little black dresses for the party season.
Yawn.