'FL / MLM' Thread 3

[Eyespying]

Continuing the valuable discussion of 'Forever Living' and other 'MLM/commercial' cults.

Annie65 Might I advise you to try to disregard the products.

Once you do this, you will immediately see that if you know about one 'MLM,' then you know about all of them. Indeed, the various made-up, impressive-sounding 'commercial' names over the entrances to hundreds 'MLM' cultic rackets are themselves a dangerous distraction. This is why I'm tempted to give 'MLM' cults ID numbers (depending on the month and year they were instigated).

The entire so-called 'MLM idustry' has merely been pretending to sell 'exclusive good-value products,' and/or 'services,' when, in fact, hundreds of 'MLM' instigators have all been peddling variations of exactly the same pernicious fairy story.

Because 'MLM' wampum has been effectively-unsaleable to the general public (based on value and demand), from all common-sense/rational points of view, 'MLM' wampum might as well not exist.

The real function of 'MLM' wampum has been criminal, i.e. to distract victims, and casual observers, from the blindingly-obvious truth that so-called 'MLM income opportunities' have never had any significant or sustainable source of revenue other than never-ending chains of losing-adherents.

The reason why countless millions of vulnerable people have all defied logic and wasted their cash on 'MLM' wampum, is because they have been temporarily deceived into believing that if anyone follows the 'MLM leaders positive example' and 'exactly duplicates the business building plan' (i.e. buys a pile of exorbitantly-priced 'MLM' wampum every month and recruits other to do same, ad infinitum), eventually anyone can automatically achieve 'total finanical freedom,' just like the 'exemplary MLM leaders.'

Totally agree, I brought 2 products from my sil when she first started FL. Never went any of the launch parties, though I was tempted because her "up-liner"was going and she really gets on my nerves, a very dangerous and ambitious person. Anyway now I know more about it there is no way I would buy anything again. I dont want to encourage her, I want her to fail asap, before she decides to "sack the boss". I know she wants to do this as she has child-care issues, and this is what FL prey on. Its a very dangerous world to get into and a very easy world to fall prey too.

Annie65 You might be interested to take a look at this.

A Nigerian-based 'Prosperity Gospel Church,' commonly referred to as 'Winners Chapel International (WCI),' is currently facing 'secular' opposition in the UK, but it is being supported by the 'UK Evangelical Alliance' which itself is linked to a syndicate of influencial 'Evangelical Christian Church' bosses in the USA, some of whom are linked to 'MLM income opportunity' cult bosses.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-29937091

'WCI' is the type of overtly-'religious' group which most people can easily recognize as a pernicious cult, but it is, in fact, merely an unsophisticated version of a blame the victim 'income opportunity' cultic racket.

Sadly, the mainstream media has been mostly-obsessed by the fact that 'WCI' has included medieval terms like 'Witches' and 'Black Magic' in its 'us vs them' controlling-scenario. The UK 'National Secular Society' also seems to have a very limited undertanding of the 'Prosperity Gospel' scenario, and how it can be re-written in apparently-banal 'negative vs positive' (non-religious) 'Multi-Level Marketing/self-betterment' terms.

mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.fr/2015/09/robert-fitzpatrick-on-vemma-mlm-and-ftc.html?showComment=1441784124557#c5511018789066431159

The 'Vemma' temporary receivers' report makes interesting, if not predictable, reading.

www.robbevans.com/assets/case-files/vemmareport01.pdf

It's damning, isn't it?

The disclosure statement from the company (Vemma) is bad enough:-

In 2013 93.22% affiliates (98,115) earned less than $6,200
and .40% affiliates (421) earned more than $100,000.

But stratification Analysis by the Receiver paints an even worse scenario:-

In 2013 99.45% affiliates (179,906) earned less than $6,200
and .03% (58) earned more than $100,000.

The 2014 figures are, percentage wise, more or less exactly the same - dismal.

Looking at the other analysis, it is shockingly clear how many people sucked in to this company actually lost money; the majority did not recoup their initial investment at all, let alone made any income.

A typical MLM then .

Stopfaffing - You are absolutely spot on - 'Vemma' is/was a typical 'MLM' racket - with fabulously wealthy bosses habitually committing fraud, and obstructing justice, by lying to, and by withholding of key-information from, the public and from regulators.

The one piece of information which all 'MLM' racketeers never want to disclose (voluntarily), is the exact overall number of different persons who have signed up as so-called 'Distributors/Business Owners' since their 'MLM' front companies were originally instigated.

This key-information reveals how many so-called 'MLM Distributorships/ Businesses' have actually been created, but then vanished, in any particular 'MLM' racket. However, this is always effectively-all of them.

In the case of the 'Vemma' racket (which has lately been forced to disclose this key information), you can easily extrapolate that the actual percentage of persons who generated an overall net-annual profit from the operation of a so-called 'Vemma Distributorship/ Business,' has always been effectively zero, but the same has been true for all so-called 'MLM income opportunities.'

One of the high up flbots announced on her open fb she is moving into a house/castle that was televised on Grand Designs. A snip at 2 million. The trouble is a couple of people found out the house/castle is still for sale. She then said her and her family are renting it for 12 months to see if it works for her. These people then contacted the estate agents, and found out the house is up for sale and definitely not being rented out. She, of course is still saying she is renting. The discussion did get quite heated as you can imagine and she has been reported for fraud. The posting and all the comments have been removed. Now, I dont know if she is renting the property, all I know is it seemed to me she was actually buying the house how she worded it. I never thought she had brought the house straight out, but I did think she had paid a deposit on it. I just think is she really that silly to make it all up, especially as its been televised and is a well known house. She is moving in 1st Oct. Now is she renting it (expensive place to rent) or will we hear some excuse that it all fell through? I just think of the phrase "fake it till you make it", and I feel she would have carried on making out she had brought it if she had not been found out

Annie65 it seems you have one of the superstar flpbots, lucky you :) Kemeys Folly is indeed up for rental at £3,950 per month. A lot of money over 12 months but as you point out nowhere near the 1.9 million asking price. I'm sure she would have happily let everyone believe that the families new dream home was fully paid for. Good on whoever called her out. A screenshot of her original claim would have been interesting.

This particular, loads of money 'MLM' empty boast shows a typical lack of imagination. It probabaly stems from the fact that the boss of the 'FLP' racket owns another property once featured on television, and 'MLM' adherents are trained to duplicate exactly their leader's 'positive' example.

foto.foreverliving.com/Events/2014-Eagle-Managers-Retreat/EMR-Group-2-Southfork-Ranch/44752385_3VhCwn#!i=3587068986&k=4hC2QSv

South Fork Ranch (of 'Dallas' fame).

However, £2 millions for a unsympathetically-coverted hunting lodge in S. Wales (albeit with 23 acres of land) does seem rather a lot to pay. Personally, even if someone offered me £4000 per month to go and live on top of a hill in S. Wales, I wouldn't be jumping up and down with joy.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3010876/Luxury-18th-Century-home-goes-market-2million.html

www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/welsh-homes/homes-sale-wales-2m-gothic-8759679

I am considering deleting Facebook if I see one more post about how amazing their life is and what car and house they are buying I am going to scream! I am self employed and work from home I do not write about it everyday ?? I have on women who has been selling it for 4 months and yesterday she reckons she was Range Rover shopping. I am sure they just post to try and suck other people in!!

Haven't read all the latest thread but I contributed to the first one...latest FLBOT thing seems to be 'adopting' I.e sponsoring a child. I've just seen an update from a flbot saying she is so excited to sit down with her children and help them 'choose their African sibling' is it just me or is this really sad, children aren't something to go shopping for!!!

K8, anyone can window shop, even for cars. They tend to "fake it till you make it". Thank you Ambler for finding out that it is up for rent also, thats a lot of money to rent though. Spy, you are spot on with the copy-cat tactics these bots use. She shot herself in the foot though bragging about a well known and televised property. Although I read the other bots comments and they still cant see the fakeness and lies these high up and quite powerful bots spout out. These mlms are very clever at brain-washing, even the higher up ones are so brain-washed themselves, they see no wrong with what they do and say.

Annie65 I have one women that holds business presentations every week to try and get new people to sign up! She currently rents her 5 bed house and i know she pretends she owns it!!

K8t3271 Cars have always featured very prominently in 'MLM Dream' propaganda.

'MLM' adherents have been taught to 'visualise their dreams,' and almost all of them visualise luxury cars. In the case of my own brother (a teacher: turned would-be 'MLM' millionaire), he had a Utopina 'dream' image of macho black 4X4 in a mountain landscape slapped on his fridge door.

I was recently contacted by a desperate former-friend of an FLbot in Kenya, who told me that 'he bows in front of Range Rover pictures, but cannot drive...'

The same contact sent me a link to this 'FLP' video from Kenya.

The iconic car images appear at around 13 minutes.

Extract from the youtube video (7:06) that sums up MLMs:-

"I would rather earn 1% from the efforts of 100 people
than 100% from my own efforts".

Its not about the product, its about the downline!

You have been warned....

Forever people lease there range rovers on corporate lease so get discount, they don't by them ?? who knew lol

stopfaffing - The fact that trade regulators (who haven't actually been doing much regulating) have allowed criminogenic groups like 'Amway', 'FLP' and 'Herbalife' to remain legally (but falsely) registered as 'businesses' (for decades), has only served to give the entire 'MLM income opportunity' fairy story, credibility. Sadly, we've long-since arrived at the stage where the global nightmare being hidden by the pernicious 'American Dream' pseudo-science known as 'MLM,' has become unthinkable to most financial journalists.

www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-10/herbalife-doesn-t-deserve-to-die

Crass articles presented as 'objective journalism,' but which simply repeat thought-stopping 'MLM' jargon and sophistic closed-logic arguments (without qualification of irony), prove that it is taboo for financial commentators to criticise anything labelled 'business' in the USA.

They are like a virus, spreading everywhere and trying to infect the vulnerable. Pratt looks like he is still asleep. Pratt by name, Pratt by nature. Joking apart, very dangerous people

Annie65* - This is another mutating-strain/chapter if the 'MLM' virus/fairy story, because there are an increasing-number of dangerously-infected (and infectious) little pratts like these in Britain, all desperately trying to recover their 'MLM' losses by trying to cash in on all the other vulnerable victims who constantly keep handing over their time and money to 'MLM' bosses. Adam and Nick seem to have partly-worked-out how the 'MLM' trick has been pulled, and are now trying to pull it themselves, but judging by their seedy appearance, they still haven't got tuppence to scratch their arses.

www.factsaboutherbalife.com/media/2015/09/Vemma-Comparison-v11.pdf