FL thread 2

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To follow on so to not lose what is such an interesting thread

Take a generic non-essential amino acid, that's produced by the body anyway (sufficiently with correct diet), but widely known as L-arginine for many decades & currently sold in a well known retailer for about 2quid & then give it a shit, non descriptive name (Argy Bargy + or something like that) & sell to non-questioning FLbots @ extortionate price, on the back of existing medical trials done by real medical/scientific bodies...well erm, a long time ago & pretend ur some kind of trailblazing org, bringing the unknown powers of Argy Bargy +, to the world.
Hmmm, whats not to like about this 'company'?

FLbot is #feeding the mind with what appears to be some self help get rich by thinking style film called The Secret # law of attraction. Eyes do you know anything about this film?

#neverstopfeedingyourmind#grateful#lawofattraction and then a screen shot of the words abundance and wealth! She's getting creepy now.

LilyAlpha Thank-you for an accurate common-sense analysis which can be applied to numerous 'MLM' up-dated snake oil rackets, all of which have bought association with naive, and/or ill-informed, academics.

In reality, Nobel Prize-winner, Dr. Ferid Murad's paid-association with with the 'FLP' racket was intended to facilitate the committing of fraud and the obstruction justice all around the globe. As such, this video forms part of an overall pattern of ongoing major racketeeering activity (as defined by the US federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act 1970).

In the video, Dr. Murad (b. 1936) demonstrates that (for all his scientific qualifications), he cannot recognize a fraud, even when one falls on his head. As an ageing and largely-forgotton scientist, who once briefly enjoyed international fame, it must have been child's play to groom him.

Peacheykeen - this is the movie if you are curious.

A wiki on it en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_(2006_film)

(funny how wiki has been criticised for years but now they provide excellent references at the bottom!)

I remember watching the film and have to say I'm on the fence. Having a positive attitude certainly does make your life easier (not necessarily financially richer) BUT the film does seem to make out that 'thinking happy' makes you super rich and get everything you want when that's not the case.

There is an argument for positive thinking to improve general wellbeing. Happy people tend to be healthier, fight of bugs easier, suffer fewer periods of stress (plenty of studies into this that are worth a look). Its how you react to a situation more than anything but a good dose of reality also helps! for example...'I didn't sell £300 of FL stock this month, I'll do it next month!' when your figures show you only make about £150 worth of sales and have done for 6 mths.

So... What I am saying is take from it what you will. Mostly with a pinch of salt but positive attitude isn't going to kill you either ;)

Peacheykeen - The origin of this type of 'success training' is Napoleon Hill (1883-1970) - a man whom I would classify as one of the most ludicrous charlatans the USA ever produced, but who is generally described as 'the first positive thinking/success guru .'

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_Hill

In 1908, Hill (a journalist) interviewed the steel magnate, Andrew Carnegie - a money-obsessed robber-baron who had become so loaded with guilt, that he was trying to give his fortune away in philanthropic projects around the world (mainly the building of free libraries).

Carnegie befriended young Hill (who evidently pretended affinity with him), and paid him to continue a philanthropic project he'd already started - to interview 500 famous and successful people all over the world to discover their formula for success. After Carnegie's death, Hill spent the rest of his life exploiting his association with Carnegie to pretend that he had synthesized a step-by-step program ('the law of success') for ordinary poor people to follow, which could allow them to become rich and successful, and that he was prepared to share this secret knowledge with anyone (for a price). One of Hill's laws (the law of attraction) was that if you wanted to attract success, you should only hang around with, and listen to, successful and positive winners, and keep well away from, or ignore, poor and negative losers.

Napoleon Hill's comic-books books are still standard reading in many 'MLM' cults.

Thanks Betty I'll have a look later. It just seems to be a pattern with Flbot with "I will succeed" "if my ambition offends you" "you can't change your life if you don't change your way of thinking" blah blah blah.

Thanks Eyes

bettyberry wrote
"Its how you react to a situation more than anything but a good dose of reality also helps! for example...'I didn't sell £300 of FL stock this month, I'll do it next month!' when your figures show you only make about £150 worth of sales and have done for 6 mths. "

I think you meant "when your figures show you have sold £10, bought £100 for personal use and attended 2 trainings @ £50 each" The "positive thinking/avoid negative losers" approac then traps you into not realising the truth, until you go bankrupt or wake up. Amway tapes and lectures (and FL stress that you must never quit, and the big pins always scraped the last $ from borrowing to attend the next meeting, upon which their "business" soared. When of course their profits are from the trainings and meetings themselves.

(Another wellwritten account of Amway in practice at The Baffler
www.thebaffler.com/salvos/dreams-incorporated
Good reading on a rainy Sunday!)

lastuseraccount123 thx for the "sold-out Inchyra Grange Hotel training link" > did your FLbot state how much the even costs attendees? Love to know this and the capacity to calculate how much the organisers/upline will profit from delivering this "training"...
From last year... www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152195695222673.1073741856.157819617672&type=3

'Amway', 'Herbalife', 'NuSkin', 'USANA', 'Xango', 'Forever Living', etc. etc.. One might as well give all these exploitative, non-rational, ritual belief systems identification numbers (depending on the year of their instigation); for each one has been hiding exactly the same pay-through-the-nose-to-play game of closed-logic cultic make-believe (albeit with a different label hung over the entrance). The more kitsch these blame-the-victim 'MLM income opportunity' rackets have appeared: the less dangerous they have seemed to casual observers, but nothing could be further from the truth.

I think we have a FLbot that's been reading the thread

Talcumucker-The simplistic drivel presented on this T shirt, has been taken up, and pursued to its terrifying logical conclusion, in an outrageous piece of Swiftian satire, signed 'Dr. Ladzwun N. Luzes,' which many people have mistaken for a completely serious proposal.

www.amazon.com/Defense-Pyramid-Scheme-Lasdwun-Luzes-ebook/dp/B00HYONUVQ

Hana my hashtag crazy FLbot has posted a pic of her sailing with the words

The same water that softens potatoes, hardens eggs.

Hashtags include #whatareyoumadeof #changeyourlife as well as #eggs #boilingwater and #boat

How weird talcum my RObot posted the exact same post about the eggs about a week ago! Attack of the clones lol

flbot rather

But did she add 17 random hashtags Peachy?! #anythingtoappearinsomeonessearchresults

Lol not quite as mad with the hashtags as your flbot talcum but she posts pretty much identical memes to the other bots. So annoying

xenu1 I thought everyone here would have got that ;)

Talcum I swear those hashtags are like a weird form of chinese whispers. Gahering newer and odder hashtags along the way! makes for fun reading and all that ;)

Yet more, reality-inverting, 'FLP/MLM' propaganda has appeared in the UK media.

www.dissexpress.co.uk/news/latest-news/working-mum-up-for-award-1-6866349

Oh god eye that will be on every flbots fb , its really worrying how even the media now seems to be sucked into it, but the media is very fickle and can turn against things very easily if it means more news for them, we will see.

Emma Joy-Staines of Kennedy Road, runs Forever Prosperity International Group with her husband Leigh, and they have been nominated for the Best Direct Sales Independent Representative category of the awards, run by the mumandworking.co.uk website

I thought it was satire - I had to read it twice.

Annie65 - This is only a local newspaper, but you can see how easily journalists can be fooled by shiny-faced 'MLM' cult adherents reciting the heart-warming 'we're growing your own home business' fairy story.

These days, the average local journalist is looking for human-interest stories, has little or no commercial experience and is not trained to look beyond the end of his/her nose.

I'm now very curious to know exactly how the Diss Express got hold of this pile of 'FLP/MLM' BS.

I shall be making enquiries later today and pointing the editor of the Diss Express to my Blog, and to this forum thread.

lazycoo - Did you visit www.mumandworking.co.uk/ which is apparently offering the 'Best Direct Sales Independent Representative Award?'