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mortil2 · 04/07/2015 07:20

To follow on so to not lose what is such an interesting thread

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LilyAlpha · 22/07/2015 16:29

Rex? Is that u???

LilyAlpha · 22/07/2015 16:33

That question was for 'Mary', who felt the need to state qualifications but overlooked questions asked. Thanks for that info

LilyAlpha · 22/07/2015 16:39

Fishbones, I was looking for the free training too. Stumbled across this tho

lastuseraccount123 · 22/07/2015 17:01

FINALLY I can upload. Rex screenshot here:

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lastuseraccount123 · 22/07/2015 17:02

rex's comments are on the far right.

lastuseraccount123 · 22/07/2015 17:09

detail of REx's words

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fishboneschokus · 22/07/2015 17:20

Thanks, Lily.

What on earth has this to do with Jonathan living stone seagull?
There appears to be some sort of court case.

Eyes must know?

MaryLennox84 · 22/07/2015 17:34

The links I have been given are mostly from my sponsor. My sponsor also makes her own free training videos and you can go to online training on the products. You're supposed to be training for a few weeks before you post anything as well, but I know people mess up.

There was a court case with him because they felt FL's logo was too close to the logo for The Seagull.

LilyAlpha · 22/07/2015 17:51

Thanks for posting screenshot Lastuser

Found something called 'business training'...

LilyAlpha · 22/07/2015 18:17

Hmmm...still think u have to be good @ selling, Mary? Or does that vid not make it very clear that recruitment is the name of the game & more incentivised than selling?

MaryLennox84 · 22/07/2015 18:29

Recruiting IS selling.

throwingpebbles · 22/07/2015 18:35

Well good that you are honest that recruiting is selling mary as to two flbots I know are always making put like they are "helping" people in some kind of altruistic manner by recruiting them

MaryLennox84 · 22/07/2015 18:48

No it is selling. If it benefits you then it is selling and it is building your business. However, too many people look at it the wrong way. You don't want to just take randoms on to get their money, you want to take people on who are serious about building their business. It does you no good to coach people who dgaf.

Peacheykeen · 22/07/2015 18:50

#helpingOthersiswhatido Flbot regularly puts that right there when she suckers in New recruits

fishboneschokus · 22/07/2015 18:51

What is the link with Jonathan Livingstone Seagull?
What is the court case?
Can you provide links?

This may be important, ladies...
ML has acknowledged a link...

LilyAlpha · 22/07/2015 18:57

So are u feeling more serious now, about building 'your business'? You didn't sound very enthusiastic in your earlier posts

lastuseraccount123 · 22/07/2015 19:04

more FL crazy: this woman was trained by a real vet & doctor at FL's head office so she can give health advice:

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lastuseraccount123 · 22/07/2015 19:06

If it's done right, your child could get royalties from your FL business for the rest of their lives!

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lastuseraccount123 · 22/07/2015 19:07

it helps with Autism and crohns!

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LilyAlpha · 22/07/2015 19:17

Lastuser, lool I wonder who their 'fully qualified nutritionalist' is, that trained her? With regards to FL's extraordinary claims of children getting royalties for the rest of their lives....puhleaze! How do they get away with telling such blatant, bare faced porkies?!!!!!!!

LilyAlpha · 22/07/2015 19:21

Then again, on the same note...IF I choose the correct no's on a winning lottery ticket, my children could live off the winnings for the rest of their lives too ;) (disclaimer-no one said it had to be probable)

LilyAlpha · 22/07/2015 19:35

The Defendants ask that the Court transfer this case to the Western District of Washington so that it may be assigned to Judge Marsha Pechman, who has presided since May 2005 over a related case, the factual investigation of which triggered the present lawsuit by Plaintiff FLP. The related case is captioned Bach, et al. v. Forever Living Products U.S., Inc., et al., No. C05-0970P ("Bach"), in which the plaintiffs have sued FLP, its related companies, and Rex Maughn its owner, for allegedly misappropriating plaintiffs' trademarks and copyrights in the novel Jonathan Livingston Seagull. The lawyers in the Bach litigation, along with their clients Mr. Bach, the author of Jonathon Livingston Seagull, and Mr. Munson, the individual who took the photograph found on the cover of the book, are the Defendants in the case before this Court.

The Plaintiffs in Bach alleged that over the past 28 years, FLP has systematically misappropriated the name, title and copyrighted title character of Jonathan Livingston Seagull, and a copyrighted photo from the novel, and then used this intellectual property to create what FLP calls the "Jonathan Brand." In doing so, the Bach Plaintiffs allege that FLP has copied a number of passages from the book and repeatedly used the book's distinctive trade dress of a white silhouette of a seagull against a blue background to adorn its "Jonathan Brand." In Bach, the Plaintiffs assert that this is in violation of their rights under the Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. § 101 et seq. and Section 43(a) of the Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1125(a), by creating and exploiting the "Jonathon Brand."

As alleged in the Bach case, FLP used its "Jonathan Brand" to attract and retain millions of distributors and to motivate them to purchase and sell FLP's products. The Bach Plaintiffs' counsel contacted, and continue to contact, distributors as part of their pretrial investigation. The factual investigation by the Bach Plaintiffs' counsel, now Defendants to the present action, prompted this suit by FLP. In conducting said investigation, Plaintiffs' counsel made Google searches of FLP to review articles about and references to the company. One of the websites that provided a hit for FLP is a website called www.scam.com. Individuals posting on this website had made comments stating that FLP was one of the Multi-Level Marketing ("MLM") companies to avoid. In an attempt to locate and talk to existing and former distributors for FLP, the Bach Plaintiffs' lawyers posted the following inquiry on the website: Hello, I am one of the attorneys representing the Plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the multi-level marketing company Forever Living Products. The suit is in federal court in Seattle and is scheduled for trial later this year. We would like to talk with existing or former independent distributors of Forever Living Products who are willing to talk about their experiences with the company. If you are an existing or former independent distributor of Forever Living Products and would be willing to talk to us, or if you know someone who is, please contact me at (206)382-1168 (work), (206) 325-1843 (evening) or [email protected]. Thank you, Matthew Geyman.

This website posting forms the entire basis of the lawsuit removed to this Court. The Plaintiff argues that this particular inquiry posted by the Defendants in our case, the Bach Plaintiffs' counsel, constitutes both defamation and tortious interference with business relationships. The Plaintiff, without ever quoting the posting they take issue with, filed the present action claiming that the Defendants' internet posting was both false and defamatory.*fn1

LilyAlpha · 22/07/2015 20:46

Forever Living Products Company has occasionally been embroiled in legal and ethical tussles. Over the years, it has been accused of giving more importance to recruiting people to join various levels than actually selling the products to needy consumers. In fact, the Manila Times once published a special three-part report accusing FLP’s business model.

In Hungary, for example, the company’s products violated the country’s laws of registration, advertising, and use of supplements. Following the legal battle, the company was ordered to pay a fine of about $280,000 USD (60 millions forints. More recently, the company was involved in a lawsuit. In 2007, it was sued for abusing copyright privileges belonging to author Richard Bach. The author argued that Forever Living Products Company had been using excerpts, storyline, and a character from his copyrighted novel Jonathan Livingston Seagull.

For 20 years, the company had been using images from the movie version of the novel on its jewelry, products, merchandise, and promotional literature and in packaging. At the end of the court case, the author had convinced the judge that the company had violated intellectual property laws. The judge ruled in favor of the author and compelled the company to pay damages. Following the encounter, Forever Living Products Company changed its logo from a seagull to an eagle.

LilyAlpha · 22/07/2015 20:55

Excerpt from www.mlmeo.com/forever-living/