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First Pregnancy Missed Miscarriage

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sadtoday21 · 10/02/2019 16:14

Hello everyone - I've never posted on these forums before, but I had a missed miscarriage at 9 weeks and I found out at the 12 week dating scan two days ago. It was my first ever pregnancy. Yesterday, I had D&C and now recovering. Really healthy otherwise and no signs at all that anything was wrong during the pregnancy, although I never had any morning sickness.

I am really in shock and this happened on the 1 year anniversary of my mom's death (breast cancer), so the whole thing just feels like too much to handle. DH (dear husband) is very supportive, but I don't have any women friends to talk to, besides one who is more than 20 weeks pregnant and well...I just can't deal with that. Any advice on how to recover emotionally and also when to start trying again? GP said to wait 3 weeks, but I don't think I can wait that long. Please help and thank you.

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LMLP91 · 20/03/2019 20:06

@Catconfusion thinking of you 💖 sending lots of love xx

CT2019 · 20/03/2019 20:38

Hi this is the first time I have wrote on here and wondered if anyone can help. I also had a missed miscarriage and found out at the 12 week scan I also had medical management and it didn’t work so had a d and c so all in all bleed for about 3 weeks. I had a very light bleed at about 6 weeks for a couple of days and am still waiting for my next period at 45 days. I just want to feel back to normal and be ready ttc I don’t think I ovulated this time and am getting really upset and frustrated about the whole situation. Can anyone help and say how long it should be taking I know a lot of people say they have got pregnant straight away but that is not the case and have done tests. I just want to have a normal cycle and ttc ASAP 😢 thanks

CT2019 · 20/03/2019 20:39

Hi this is the first time I have wrote on here and wondered if anyone can help. I also had a missed miscarriage and found out at the 12 week scan I also had medical management and it didn’t work so had a d and c so all in all bleed for about 3 weeks. I had a very light bleed at about 6 weeks for a couple of days and am still waiting for my next period at 45 days. I just want to feel back to normal and be ready ttc I don’t think I ovulated this time and am getting really upset and frustrated about the whole situation. Can anyone help and say how long it should be taking I know a lot of people say they have got pregnant straight away but that is not the case and have done tests. I just want to have a normal cycle and ttc ASAP 😢 thanks

Amanda81 · 20/03/2019 20:50

Hi @CT2019 - sorry you find yourself in this place of uncertainty, it's bloody awful. I had an ERPC in November after a MMC, 12 week scan with foetus growing to 10+1. I think I am one of the lucky ones on this thread where I got my period after 5 weeks after the erpc. However, everyone is different. Have you had a negative HPT yet? If so, you should be close to getting your period back. Do you track your cycle in any way (BBT)? This may help understand where you are at. It is a truly painful experience to be going through and my sympathies are with you xxx

CT2019 · 20/03/2019 20:58

Thank you so much for your reply. Yer I had a negative test two weeks after the procedure and have done tests in the last few weeks also to check that I’m not pg. I do you use an app and I think that’s also not helped because it makes me think that I should be ovulating and I’m not and should be on my period and I’m not. I know I’ve got to be patient but I thought by now they would
Be back to normal and we would be able to ttc xx

3204ECL · 21/03/2019 07:51

@Catconfusion hope you are doing ok? How did you get on at the hospital?

@sarmum14 thinking of you with your appointment today. Let us know how you get on. X

Catconfusion · 21/03/2019 07:55

Hi @CT2019 and welcome to the thread. I'm sorry you find yourself here. It can vary so differently between ladies when you ovulate and get your period after surgery. Some have an anovulatory cycle and some kick straight back in. I ovulated 3 and a half weeks after my surgery. Sadly I fell pregnant again but it was another very early miscarriage. There are mixed opinions as to whether this second loss was due to my body not being ready but it's possible my lining wasn't quite right. I would advise you to wait for a period and let your body recover. It's been really stressful for us going through another loss so soon. Some people do get lucky straight away but more often than not the body is just not ready to sustain another pregnancy.

I completely understand you just want to get pregnant again and you will get there with a little more time. For now just take care of yourself and find a way to track your ovulation. I use Ovusense, a sensor that you wear internally at night to measure temperature. You could just use a thermometer and Fertility Friend as a cheaper option.

Good luck and we're all here to help support you!

Xx

Catconfusion · 21/03/2019 07:56

@sarmum14 good luck with your appointment. Let us know how it goes! Xx

Amanda81 · 21/03/2019 08:00

Fingers crossed for a clear uterus today @sarmum14 xx

Catconfusion · 21/03/2019 08:53

Good morning everyone, what a night! The good news is it wasn't an ectopic. My bloods were normal and the pregnancy stopped progressing too early for an ectopic to be symptomatic.

I saw a very young male gynaecologist at the hospital who has set the record straight on when to try again after an ERPC. He said there is no reason medically speaking to not try straight after an ERPC if the bleeding has stopped. Some women fully recover and can fall pregnant straight away however some either won't ovulate or will have another loss due to insufficient lining or chromosomal reasons. It's very tricky to know what the outcome will be.

Theres definitely more vulnerability to having a chemical pregnancy straight after ERPC. He said it depends how the couple feels about this. If an embryo doesn't implant properly it is a bunch of cells at this point and it's not medically harmful to have a chemical pregnancy. It obviously can be distressing for the women and cause a heavier period but chemicals are very very common. I wish someone had explained this to us because we would have waited one cycle before we tried. They just say stuff like you're unlikely to have another loss which isn't strictly true.

He also said considering we fall pregnant easily and we've had a chemical after ERPC, we could now have another one. If the lining still isn't right this cycle it could happen again but far less likely now I've had a decent bleed. It's also possible this was another chromosomal issue which would have happened anyway. So we can try again if we accept it could happen again. His advice was just to keep trying and we will get lucky with time.

The GP I saw yesterday was amazing. She was I think a bit alarmist about the possibility of ectopic but it did get me seen and thoroughly checked over. She's also offered to do all the testing we need to check our fertility out, DH as well even though we haven't had three losses. At 39 she feels it's pressing now and worth doing.

Thanks for all your support. We feel a lot more positive today. Chemical pregnancies are horrible, especially after a MMC but we have it in perspective now and it was just unlucky. We'll just keep trying! Xxx

3204ECL · 21/03/2019 09:04

@Catconfusion I'm so glad you're ok and feeling more positive today. It sounds like the gynaecologist you saw at the hospital has given you (and indirectly all of us!) the best advice any of us have had so far! Fingers crossed you recover quickly and are able to try again soon. Being able to have the tests is a real positive as well. Hopefully will help you understand if there's anything they can do to help or if it's just simply really bad luck! X

sadtoday21 · 21/03/2019 09:12

@Catconfusion I’m so glad everything is ok and you got some answers. Thanks for sharing all of this info with us! Hope you are feeling better today and not in too much pain xxx.

@SARmum14 good luck today, wishing you all the best for great results and the all clear to start ttc again! Flowers

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sarmum14 · 21/03/2019 09:27

Oh wow @Catconfusion I'm so pleased you finally were seen by a couple of great doctors! An extra delighted it's not ectopic. Thanks also for sharing what you learnt about lining and chemicals after ERPC - that was really interesting to hear.

Thanks also for all the support @3204ECL @Amanda81 @sadtoday21 - my appointment isn't until late afternoon so I'm trying to keep myself busy with an early spin class and working from home. My bleeding is really light and has kind of trailed off a bit so no idea what that means - don't think it could have been an AF? My temps have been steady around 36.5 so who knows where I am in my cycle, but hoping to find out more at EPU today. I've decided to not do another HPT until I'm there because I can't take the anxiety, nor do I want to waste the money.

Hope you're all okay today. I'm thinking of you all.

Xx

3204ECL · 21/03/2019 09:32

Looking for some advice please lovely ladies. Is this a negative?! If not it's bloody close I think! X

First Pregnancy Missed Miscarriage
sadtoday21 · 21/03/2019 10:00

@3204ECL this is close enough to negative to count it. I counted this as a negative when I got this faint and a few days later it was 100% negative. What kind of test is it? It looks like Sainsbury one's - those are pretty sensitive at 15 miu/ml, which means it picks up 15 hcg. You might be somewhere around there, which is great. Congrats! Not sure if you have had a first AF yet, but would echo what @Catconfusion and others have said - it's really good to get that first bleed and let everything return to normal first.

How is the charting going? Have you O'd yet?

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sadtoday21 · 21/03/2019 10:04

@Catconfusion just read your post in more detail now - that doctor gave you an excellent explanation! The best I have seen to date and I've been asking the same question for the past six weeks. I obviously have no choice but to wait anyway, but I'm feeling a bit better now that I know there are actually some solid medical reasons for waiting after 1 or 2 AF first to get back on track. Not for everyone, clearly, but still for enough women that I wouldn't want to risk it in any case.

How are you feeling about the whole thing now? Will you start ttc again right away? Wishing you all the best and glad you feel more positive about everything today.

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bananamonkey · 21/03/2019 10:05

@Catconfusion so pleased it’s not ectopic, hope you are doing ok. Thanks for sharing the information from the gynaecologist that’s really useful for managing expectations as I’m worried about not waiting a cycle.

@sarmum14 good luck today.

@3204ECL that looks almost negative to me. I was still seeing the faintest squinty line but EPU confirmed it as negative, not sure if i was just going crazy and seeing things by that point.

sadtoday21 · 21/03/2019 10:06

@SARmum14 waiting all day is terrible, thinking of you! Will you let us know the results and also your hcg levels, if they do any tests? I am now a freak about hcg and very interested in learning what levels are normal 6 weeks post-mmc. I hope you get the all clear today, fingers crossed xxx.

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3204ECL · 21/03/2019 10:08

@sadtoday21 That's what I thought. It's a Tesco test which I noticed at made by the same people who make clear blue. I'm probably going to go and buy another clear blue to take in the morning to make sure but definitely feels like I'm nearly there thankfully. I think I ovulated about a week ago but not 100% sure. Hoping for AF in the next 2 weeks and I'll definitely be waiting until after that before TTC again.

Not sure if it's connected or not but I have a reflexology massage yesterday as I'd read that it can help after a miscarriage and with fertility and pregnancy in general. 2 hours after the massage the small amount of bleeding I've still been having completely stopped. The lady said she could feel bits in my feet that related to the areas that would have been affected by what I'd been through and she spent extra time working on these areas. Not 100% convinced by it all but it felt great so have booked another session! X

sadtoday21 · 21/03/2019 10:12

@3204ECL I'll be waiting with you for that first AF! I think mine should also be in the next two weeks. How many weeks post-mmc are you now? Hoping I'll start feeling a lot better after AF. Fingers crossed for both of us!

I've also been thinking about doing reflexology or acupuncture, so great to hear about your experience. Interesting about the bleeding after. Also, I've got some evening primrose oil stocked up for after my first AF, it is supposed to help with fertility and EWCM. I want to do a cleanse of some kind too, to help rid my body of the hcg. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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3204ECL · 21/03/2019 10:19

@sadtoday21 I'm 4 weeks post what I thought was the miscarriage but had more bleeding and passed a lot more tissue just under 3 weeks ago. Fingers crossed for AF soon for both of us!

The reflexology is also supposed to help balance hormones and rid your body of toxins. I was advised to drink at least a litre of water in the 2 hours after the session to help rid the toxins! Like I said I'm not 100% convinced but I certainly feel much better today and it might be total coincidence with the bleeding stopping and the near negative coming so quickly after the session but who knows?! Either way it was a really relaxing experience and I slept like a log! X

Catconfusion · 21/03/2019 11:34

@sarmum14 it sounds like you're doing a good job of distracting yourself. I do hope it goes well! Xx

Thanks @sarmum14 @sadtoday21 and @3204ECL I'm glad the information helped so here is more. Seriously the guy looked about 25 but was very knowledgable. It did make me wonder what made a young guy like him decide on gynaecology. I guess he must be passionate about it.

Despite being seemingly very young, he did really help put things into perspective. Our conversation really wasn't bad for two people clearly high on caffeine at midnight in a hospital waiting room. This is what I gleaned...

As many as 80% of fertilised eggs don't implant properly. About 50% will be healthy and 50% won't. It's a very normal and natural process based on many factors such as viability of the embryo and the environment it's in.

Sometimes an abnormal embryo implants and the body gives it a chance. This will later end in a miscarriage. Again this is likely to be normal. It's the body's way of accepting the embryo wasn't compatible with life after all by stopping it progressing.

Missed miscarriages are rarer but happen because the placenta has got strong enough to trick the body into thinking the embryo is still viable, even when it isn't. So it's like going so far down a path chemically that it's hard for the body to go back.

He said don't get too hung up on there being something particularly wrong after a miscarriage. Even if age is a factor, it's still highly likely there are healthy eggs and sperm. At the later end of reproductive age it can be more the luck of the draw. Loss is more likely to be part of the journey to parenthood later in life but it doesn't mean it won't happen.

Recurrent miscarriages due to a medical problem are actually quite uncommon. For most it's just a case of waiting for the cycle where all variables work out. This is annoying but just how it is. It's important to rule out medical causes if it keeps happening. There are also things we can do to improve egg/sperm quality and provide a good environment for conception.

We can take supplements and make lifestyle/dietary changes (I'm reading 'It Starts with an Egg'). A positive mindset and stress reduction also helps. A lot of it is frustratingly out of our control. However focusing on what we can do is a good way to manage the stress and feel like we're moving forwards.

Pregnancy loss is hard no matter how early but it's important to take it on the chin and carry on because most couples will conceive healthily with time as frustrating as it is. What's vital is to be as healthy and happy as we can. Life shouldn't be put on hold in wait of a baby because that's just miserable.

Our society dictates this pattern of finding a partner and having a family but for many it's not as clear cut as that. The people around us who seem so picture perfect may have had losses too. It really is that common. It's so easy to assume we're the ones with something wrong when in most cases we're not.

I think @sadtoday21 is right, we've all experienced motherhood now even if fleetingly. Fear of loss will always be part of being a Mum. Even when we have a baby its not a magic bullet against loss. Loss is part of life. People lose children and teenagers too because of bad luck. It's horrible but there's no escaping it.

What we can do is hope for healthy pregnancies in the future and that we reach old age with as little grief and loss as possible. In the meantime we can be resilient when a loss happens and gentle on ourselves because in most cases it couldn't have been prevented, it just wasn't our time! Xx

Catconfusion · 21/03/2019 11:52

@sadtoday21 I'm feeling much better today thanks. How are you feeling today?

Do you know what, I feel like we can risk it. If we have another chemical, we'll deal with it. The doctor helped me understand it's not damaging to have a chemical as it's so early. Once implantation happens the pregnancy will progress if it's viable. Later miscarriages would likely be chromosomal and really bad luck like our first pregnancy. Those types of miscarriages could happen even if we do wait. At our age it's key to not miss the opportunity of a healthy pregnancy.

I'm happy with having a heavier period if it happens again. We'll test much later too so maybe wouldn't even know.

I know in your situation you need to wait because it's not safe. You've had such a trauma and it's so unfair but I'm sure it won't be long before you get the all clear and can try again. Xx

Amanda81 · 21/03/2019 13:09

So happy it wasn't an ectopic @Catconfusion and thank you for sharing the information, all very very helpful xxx

Amanda81 · 21/03/2019 13:10

Yeah a negative @3204ECL - congratulations! AF wi be here very soon. I found the first AF very cleansing xx