Recurrent miscarriage support, tests, treatments and trying again.

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Buckle up, the threads move like lightening! Tea, sympathy, information, support and combined wisdom to guide you through the maze of testing and treatment for recurrent miscarriage. Newbies always most welcome.

Please start with the traditional recap of your stats.

Sebs, yes, if fertilisation doesn't take place, it would just slip out with AF as you describe. Its only the chemical signal from the lining upon acceptance of a fertilised egg it deems OK (rightly or wrongly) that delays or prevents AF. Part of that signal is progesterone, so you can delay AF if you're taking it, but there's the hcg, too, which is why you need yo test before stopping the progesterone if you've taken it from day 21.

freckle I wish I'd seen him too. Although she did say everything very nicely! Is my aspirin from BFP then do you think? I thought she meant from now? God I should have written more stuff down!

sebs I worry about that perfect egg ever being found too. It's starting to feel like I'm flogging a dead horse and I should actually be learning how to give up on dc2. Selfish to want another when I'm so infinitely lucky to have ds anyway.

sasha I think Ivf maybe able to look at eggs but definitely out of my price range- and who knows if that would end in MC as well. I could def do Coventry as af is due in the next week. My boss would freak at another day off though!

just and biscuits I am so close to going to Cov. I just feel like I need more answers about the early mcs and that I might get it there. I just can't face having to fight to get their protocol and I'm worried my RMC might then not want to do all the scanning if I've ignored their advice.

Good luck to all the ladies in the tww (flen me jady- hope that's right and I haven't missed anyone) it's the hardest, symptom spotting at every turn. Fingers crossed for more BFP news soon xxx

Minnie, unless you have a diagnosed clotting issue, I'd avoid aspirin whilst TTC. Jury's out on after, but I'd steer well clear before bfp.

Bless you - so many of you are beating yourselves up about agonising about 2nd/ subsequent dcs. You shouldn't be.

A loss is a loss irrespective of first, 2nd or 3rd. Each of us have hopes and dreams for our babies whether it be our first child or a sibling for a current dc.

Breaks my heart to see you all beating yourselves up

We are all here to hold hands with each other and it ain't over until we say it's over.

Hugs for mrsd it is just the worst feeling in the world to see blood.

Congrats erica hope this is your rainbow.

minnie I'm sorry your appointment was frustrating. I'm 100% with your acupuncturist. Progesterone/heparin will not prevent an inevitable miscarriage happening, they might prolong the 'missed' bit of the miscarriage but if you are having scans regularly that's not a major concern. It sounds like your lining is accepting embryos that don't stand a chance now so you already have a problem with receptivity/selectivity.

Thanks just your lining explanation was so useful. That must be why mc3 got so far. Lining must not have been good enough to deselect it. Though maybe better in the earlier mcs when it dispatched them quicker. Also I think the doc may have prescribed aspirin from before BFP as my mum has clotting issues and she wondered if I have (though no test results on that yet and tests during my ds pg came back fine). My acupuncturist looked very worried about me taking it before BFP but wouldn't elaborate other than to say Dr Rai(?) has done investigations into it and it's a bit worrying beforehand. She wouldn't say more as she said she felt she was confusing me by going against my consultant. I'm not tempted to take it though I have to be honest - at least not until a BFP maybe.

baking I think so too re lining receptivity. And the prog/hep. I'm creeping towards Coventry

brummie that's a lovely thing to say. We are all definitely here for hand holding! It ain't over till it's over. You girls are totally the best!

One of the few things Coventry and St Mary's (Raj Rai and Lesley Regan) seem to agree on is that 'just in case' aspirin is bad and actually increases miscarriage rates. It should only be taken if you have a diagnosed clotting disorder, in which case you'd mostly be prescribed heparin also.

diddly Hugs - it is so awful, that feeling when your heart falls through your stomach when seeing blood on your tissue. Really really hoping that it is 'just one of those things' this time! Hugs xx

Minnie Well, if your consultant thinks it's down to age and bad eggs, why on earth did she then prescribe you high dose folic acid? That makes no sense at all! I'm on your behalf. And baking is right - progesterone/heparin are not magic treatments that will prevent a miscarriage that has to happen, they don't have any influence on your chromosomes etc. They can, however, help your body kick-start a pregnancy it might struggle with on its own for whatever reason.
So sorry that you had a frustrating appointment, it is so disheartening to be brushed off like that. Yes, age is a factor, but there are many components to that, you can't really all just thrown them into one pot.
Hope you're OK xx

just How are you feeling? Has the bleeding calmed down? That baby is giving you a run for your money for sure.

Well, I am 5 weeks today. Walking on egg shells and burying my head in the sand/work. I have zero symptoms, but I never have any at this stage. Poas this morning, just to make sure I hadn't been imagining things, nice strong line that came up really quickly. I'm just wishing time away!

I'm not sure the lining 'dispatches' any embryos that get as far as a BFP. The receptivity/selectivity happens during implantation, in the 2WW. Once an dodgy embryo has implanted it's demise is determined by what genetic defect is present and what process of development therefore can't happen. A lot of MMC seem to happen at the 5/6 week mark, they never get to the heartbeat stage, whereas a different chromosome problem would allow them to develop further and be miscarried later.

Hurray for strong lines cloud ! Do you have an early scan booked?

Crossing fingers for you mrsd. My friend had bleeding in a preg following mc and all was fine

Hey cloud I'm 4 weeks today although that sounds weird, but totally feeling like you... Long way to go I guess, and no one except DH and you ladies know... Hard to get excited but trying to maintain optimism for this one, will you wait til 8 wks for a scan? X

MrsD sending and hugs and courage. Fingers very much crossed it settles down. We're all here to hand hold.

I really don't know what would make me give up minnie** my mind would break long before my body. I'll just keep on trying i think. I know darkness, but not defeat!

Really sorry you had such a frustrating appointment Minnie, but do glad we have Just and Baking with such logical explanations. I would go to Coventry if it were me.

Is that 2 BFP's Erica and Cloud, hope I've got that right. Congrats! Can anyone else see a shadow of a line on this?

That should read "so glad", sorry it's early and I'm full of cold.

Morning lovely ladies, took me a while to find everyone and already 90+ posts.

My stats. Me & DH 37. One DD 4- conceived first time and straight forward pregnancy (so naive)

Ttc since Jan 14, Feb suspected cmc, May 14 9 wks, measured 6, Sept 14 natural mc at 11wks after heartbeat seen at 6wks. 6 month enforced break due to referral problems. All tests clear. Currently 5wks bfp after conceiving after first ttc again (yep no problems getting bfp, just staying) and in Response trial.

Yek 5 wks today and I'm fluctuating from lots of symptoms (nautious/tired/ headaches) to absolutely none. Rationale head says this is normal, whilst emotional/ mc scared head is saying it's not going to end positively (need to get a grip) off to weekly response trial appointment later and have first fortnightly scan next week.

Mrsd- lots of handholding. Hope it settles down.
Cloud- how are you doing?

Yep, I can see a line.

Jady- I can see something. Which test is it?

Forgot to say congrats Erica x

Yipee. i see it jady!

Congrats erica!

Girlie it's a one step pregnancy test.

MrsD I hope you're OK, thinking of you.

Whispers congrats Jady x