Recurrent Miscarriage Support Thread - Thread 17 - Tests, treatment and trying again

[Flower29]

Information, support, hand holding, tea, sympathy and a hell of a lot of combined knowledge - all welcome as we try to make sense of the RMC roller coaster of tests, NHS admin, heart ache and (hopefully) happy endings!
Please start with a recap of your stats

twilight sorry you're not confident about your pregnancy again. I echo what the others have said about symptoms coming and going. Also hcg levels peak around now so this, together with the placenta taking over could be why the nausea is stopping. When pg with my son It stopped for 2 weeks, then came back for a week or so which completely defies logic but there you go! Is your scan next wed?
Also sorry you had a shitty day yesterday and those bitches stole your car park space!

cat sorry you're also not feeling positive. Is your scan Monday? Of course we're all behind you and I'm sure you will be able to relax a little after your scan. Are you still feeling poorly too?

march sorry your consultant has been shit, but good news that your acupuncturist is being helpful and will hopefully be useful.

tanny sorry you have a bad tummy! I hope you feel ok soon. Is it possible that this could be a sign of impending labour?? Think I've heard upset tummy can be as your body is 'clearing out' ready.

monten good luck with poas tomorrow!

boozle glad your hubby apologised

I agree in general about fb, it does generally consist of people showing off and I hadn't been on it for over a year until recently. I found I needed to go on to keep updated with local groups/events etc. I was pleased yesterday when I shared flens blog because sil 'liked' it so hopefully she realised her scan pic may have been upsetting to me.

Sorry for anyone I've missed!

Thanks ourday and flower hopefully I can relax when Monday is behind me. Still feeling rough but bit better with each day so hopefully I'll be on the mend soon.

When is your next scan twilight?

Can I just ask all you ladies who've had a dc how much your breast size changed? I used to be a 32dd which was big for my size 10 frame but now I'm 36e and they still seem to be growing. Will they go back down? So grateful I'm pregnant but really don't want to have huge ugly boobs forever.

Can I just ask all you ladies who've had a dc how much your breast size changed? I used to be a 32dd which was big for my size 10 frame but now I'm 36e and they still seem to be growing. Will they go back down? So grateful I'm pregnant but really don't want to have huge ugly boobs forever.

Seeking I've heard others mention the book Is My Body Baby Friendly? I don't know whether I want to read it knowing that the nhs probably won't support anything I might want to do with the information I read.... On the other hand I don't want to go through Ivf, have it fail, and then wonder if there was something I could have done. Would you recommend it? Or will it just worry me and give me information I can't act on unless I go to a private clinic? (we're about to do our one round of ivf on the nhs and are not planning on trying again if it fails).

Hey cat, I was going to give you a hand to hold for Monday, but just to say that the boob thing varies enormously I think. I'm usually a 36C and before I had any kids I was a 36B. At the moment I'm a 38F and without a bra they rest on my bump ...

They are a different shape post kids, and not as perky, but none of me is these days! Just one of those things I'm afraid. Boobs, belly, and bits all different after my first, and still changing now. Sorry.

My boobs went back to normal after I finished breastfeeding cat. My stretch marks and varicose veins are a different story! Sorry you are feeling anxious. I will be thinking of you on Monday.

Tanny, I echo what flower said - sounds like your body may be getting ready...

Cat we are praying for you!!! Keeping stuff crossed for you.

Boozle I keep trying to have the marriage conversation but my DP won't even talk about it :-(
I say "why don't you want to get married" and I get " I never said that" grrrr!!!

But we did have a fab day today though, he was wonderful.

Although not sure he's forgiven for the shower of shite that was Fifty Shades.

Ho hum. Well it was something to do on valentines day. It was ok, just a bit dull I thought.

I also feel like I know Dakota Johnson's nipples intimately as there's a lot of close up action and they are right in the camera shot...

Anyway my dodgy cinema preferences aside hope everyone is doing ok

I think my last edd was today. Because I have such a wonky cycle I never get a proper date till the scan and I didn't get that far, but it was around Valentine's day. I feel surprisingly calm about it though. Like this kicking bean will be worth the heartache.

Lobster was tasty. Dd couldn't believe we were going to eat it.

Sorry to those stressed about marriage. I was with dh 12 years before we got engaged. He didn't really believe in it but gave in in the end. I never doubted his commitment but it was a source of a lot of arguments so I empathise.

Heh heh re 50 shades!

50 shades sounds awful brummie but glad you had a nice day. You deserve to have some fun and let your hair down

Thanks for the lowdown on boobs ladies. Doesn't matter in the scheme of things!!! X

barking and seeking I'm interested in reading that book too, but also scared. I have spent a lot of time learning more and more about firstly miscarriage, then all the abnormalities my second loss had (tfmr), then RMC, then more RMC, then NK cells and Coventry...I usually want to know ALL the details in this area, but recently I've been a bit 'sod it, no-one knows the answers, nothing I do makes a difference, it'll either happen or it won't, I don't want to think anymore!!!' So as barking says, if the book suggests somewhat unattainable treatments I'm not sure I want to read it - or if

Also barking, I can see that you must be under so much pressure with this go at ivf, just hugs and tea and flowers and cake and nice outdoory exercise stuff to you (because I think that's your thing, not because I think you need exercise!)

cat mine went from an A cup to a B cup with ds's pg (woohoo!) and to a C cup whilst breast feeding. I loved the C cup. They are now AA, and not so pert, but I'm not really bothered. Hand holding of course for the scan, all the way.

flower sorry you were baby bombed, I bet flens very brilliant blog helped.

twilight its a long week I'm sure, and so impossible to know what's happening in there. Hope time passes quick, and I agree tbat symptoms can be unreliable.

march glad your acupuncturist is helpful. Anyone have any ideas about how to get it more cheaply? Think Tanny mentioned a way but I can't remember...

Welcome new people, sorry you find yourselves here.

Cross post..hugs for the edd longest

My boobs are now a whopping 36k. NASA can see them from space

Twilight, hope you're ok? My symptoms came and went, hopefully this is also the case with you.
Cat, fx all will be well on Monday. I'm sure it will be.
Waves to everyone.

Twilight with this pregnancy I felt just that way over and over again at a similar stage to you. I felt so ill that when I didn't I was positive something was going wrong. I hope you can keep the hope for your scan next week...

Bootles I can get affordable acupuncture clinic where they overlap appointments, so I have a consultation while someone is having treatment and once I'm having treatment she has a consultation with the next patient. The hard bit is talking when there's someone behind the screen, although now I'm unmistakable it's not such an issue. I used to ask for her first appointment of the day to guarantee some privacy.

Flower and Longest, of course I've been googling "early labour signs" and "very early labour signs" like mad. I think we've all had some tummy stuff so think it's probably just that, but having a few nice strong BH now and some twinges in my fanjo, as well as the most shocking heartburn, so no truly definitive signs but we're gearing up!

Twilight I was a mess with symptom spotting and I spent more time ferreting around to check for bleeding then anything else! It's a horrible uncertain time as you feel doomed and have no way of knowing. It does get better and it is 'normal' for symptoms to come and go. I remember not heaving for two days and bursting into tears because I was convinced that was it!
Cat I've got horrible scanaxiety for tomorrow too, what time is yours - we'll hand hold together!

Brummie I love the fact your oh took you to 50 shades - he probably thought he was doing a really good, selfless thing. Brilliant! I could just imagine your face!

Yay tanny, so exciting that you are nearly there and will soon get to meet your little one!

Good luck for the scan tomorrow cat, must be so hard waiting for that one, but hopefully it will give you some peace of mind once you've been.

bootles, I also have the community acupuncture (just googled 'community acupuncture Edinburgh' in my case) and it's great. Had a full priced hour consultant first to take my history (48 quid), but now it's only 15 quid for a half hour session. She said at some points in my cycle she might need a longer time so I'll need to book a full price session, but most of the time she's happy for me to do the community sessions. In my case I don't even share the room, she had two rooms so does a quick consult and puts the needles in then goes in to the other room to do theirs, then comes back in to take the needles out again. Definitely worth checking out in your area. i couldn't afford it full price so thanks for the tip tanny, as I would never have known!

Thanks tanny if it meant i could afford to do it i could definitely get over the privacy thing. Perhaps I'l have a ring round. Are you 38 weeks yet? And I was wondering, will they let you go over if you get to 40 wks? Sounds like it may not be too long anyway!

I'm 38 weeks on Tuesday. This stage feels a bit like the early stages of pregnancy, when every day lasts for at least 48 hours, I swear... Every twinge and sensation is analysed!

I'm having a sweep at 40 weeks if nothing happens before and my consultant has relaxed a bit, saying he recommends I am booked in for induction after 41. Really hoping I don't need either, but I'm already in that weird place where I think it'll never happen. Bloody bonkers.

I had a copy of Is my body baby friendly now I think being passed around the board. It's not an easy read, as in densely packed and scientific - I have a vet science degree and it wasn't easy to understand. It advocates very detailed immune testing and treatments which are v def not going to be supported by the NHS. The only way you'd get close in the UK would be Drs Shehata and Gorgy in London, and you need ££££. I'm glad I read it, as it persuaded me to look into the NK cells thing more and prompted me to go to Coventry. For us personally we'd decid d that was as far as we could push it. There are patients of the London doctors on the pred thread on conception board who might know more about it.

cat and boozle good luck!

My boobs are an E whilst I'm BF and go back to a C when I stop, about a cup size bigger than prepreg. I've BF for 4 years and counting and they are still ok, though not as pert as when I was 20. You should find your back size goes back to normal once baby is born, it's your ribs expanding to make room for bump. Luck of the draw.

tanny sounds like you are gearing up. Massive good luck and easy birth vibes your way.

Barking and Bootles, as Baking says its not an easy read. Very scientific and if you're easily worried if avoid it. I'm very much of the mind set of needing to know everything. As far as dr Beer was concerned there's not such thing as 'unexplained'.its just that the nhs don't support it.the testing is costly and I understand for some people it's not an option but I'm willing to find the money from somewhere in order to cover all bases. I can't live with the 'unexplained' tag.

seeking sorry if that came across as criticism - not intended. We already had 2 children, we just couldn't commit the time, money, emotional investment to pursuing immune issues beyond the much simpler treatment that Coventry offer, and we were fortunate that it worked for us. I absolutely understand the difficulty of being 'unexplained'. After 4 MC I was left with the knowledge that I'd lost a (another? Earlier ones not tested) perfectly normal foetus and the NHS said there was nothing wrong with me. My lowest point on the whole journey
Hope you find the answers you are looking for

I've got the book, but I've lent it to someone I know in RL. Happy to send it on when it comes back, but I've only just lent it so it may be a while. Feeling slightly awkward this morning, this week alone I seem to have unwittingly become that pregnant woman when talking about looking forward to baby (which I am, and people find odd if they congratulate you and you don't 'join in') only to discover there is someone there having issues (two separate people with unexplained infertility). I hate that I'm the visible reminder of what they can't have (yet... hopefully they will get there). I guess I'm finding it odd having become the thing I used to avoid out of jealousy. I hate to think I'm upsetting others.