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Recurrent Buns - MC Testing and Beyond... Part 4...!!!

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Julezboo · 01/02/2011 13:12

Gosh we can chat ladies!!!

Part one HERE

Part two HERE

Part three HERE

List

STARTING TESTING

LAF77 , Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.
PANDA 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC
CLAIREDELOON Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.
NOTSOBARRENBROOK Age 35. 1st mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2009), 2nd mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2010), 3rd mmc @ 11 weeks, development stopped at 6 weeks 3 days (March 2010), 4th mmc @ 5 weeks (August 2010). Possible adenomyosis, awaiting hsg and results of testing from St Mary's.
MILKYWAY2007 Age 27 - DD age 3. 1st MC Oct
2009, 6 weeks. 2nd MMC March 2010, 11 weeks (baby passed away at 7 weeks). 3rd MC July 2010, 6 weeks. 4th MMC 24 Jan 2011, 9 weeks - no amniotic sac, baby measured 7weeks 4 days, no HB, had seen a healthy HB at 7 weeks. Blood clotting, hormone, genetic karyotype and shape and health of uterus checked and all clear - although high prolactin level found. Waiting for appointment at RMC with consultant, and wanting to be referred to St Mary's.
LUCKYFOR2 Age 32 - DD age 5. DD age 3. 1st MC May 2010 found at 12 week scan passed away at 9 weeks. 2nd MC September 2010 natural at 8 weeks. 3nd MC January 2011 at 16 weeks, saw hb at 13 but no hb at 15.5. Bloods taken from me and DH at hospital at last MC and awaiting results on baby from PM.
IGGI2011 - Age 40, 3 year old DS. 3 MC last year, at 6, 8 and 8 weeks. Last two had hb detected. Having bloods taken by obs soon.

UNDERGOING TREATMENT

CRYSTAL5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid
BANANA87 Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, currently waiting one more cycle before TTC. Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.

TTC

MUMMYABROAD Age 35, 1DS (2.9), 1MMC Mar 2010 (@14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis and treatment Nov 2010, Started TTC Jan 2011 Cycle 1
DIGITALGIRL Age 32 - DS 2.4 - 3MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. Awaiting clotting & karyotyping results, under consultant care for rmc. Mild pcos. Currently TTC.
LOVEMYSLEEP Age 39, 1 mmc, dd born(now 5), 2nd mc (9wks, 2days), 3rd mc (9wks, 3days) and 4th mc at 5 wks. All tests on NHS came back clear. Currently undergoing treatment with Dr.Shehata for very high natural killer cells

PREGNANT

LUNATIC dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, pg #5 section booked for 9th Feb @ 35wks. On 150mg aspirin daily.
GLITTERYBITS 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!
JUSTMEE Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day
LADYBEE 37, MC1 (5wks), DS (2), MC2 blighted ovum discovered @ 8 wk scan, MC3 natural @ 9 wks following hb seen at 7 1/2 wk. PCOS previously diagnosed, Factor V Leiden heterozygote discovered in recent testing. Treatment with aspirin (from BFP) + clexane started at 6 weeks.
LOVELYBUNCHOFCOCONUTS Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks - growth stopped at 7), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus.
HAIRYFAIRYLIGHTS
HAIRYCLAREYFAIRY

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!

STILLFRAZZLED Age 35, DS1 (3.6yo), 1 mc @ 5 weeks Jan 09, 2nd mc @ 9 weeks March 09, DS2 born @ 35+3 on 04/01/11 with Intra Uterine Growth Restriction and currently in Special Care Baby Unit.
MUMATRON Age 28 2 dc then 4mc, 3 @9weeks 1@5weeks, tests showed possible free protein s ishoo. dd2 born 06/01/2011, aspirin, claxane and high dose folic acid through pg.
JULEZBOO Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

Will do a catch up post now...

OP posts:
Havingkittens · 25/03/2011 11:30

It looks like a good ending to the week all round with appointments. I just got a text from Dr Shehata's NHS Secretary saying that I will be contacted soon with an appointment for a telephone consultation which will probably be in 2 weeks, which is great as it might mean that may possibly happen in time for my next ovulation cycle.

Harrassed, so sorry you are at work feeling wretched. I hope you get the chance to be self indulgent this weekend and be looked after and cuddled at home. I had mixed feelings about miscarrying at work. It wasn't ideal but in a way it meant that I had to push it to the back of my mind and not dwell on it for a few hours but it is so hard to keep a brave face on in front of others and pretend that all is normal. Then again, what I suffered at work wasn't a complete miscarriage as I've never had a natural miscarriage. It was the result of my rather unwise decision to have an ERPC under local anesthetic and having to make her stop before she had finished because it was too painful and upsetting, so my cramps were probably not so severe.

It is very frustrating that they make us wait until we've had 3 miscarriages before a referral but as others have said, it looks like your GP is quite helpful. I hope you get some anwers.

ClaireDeLoon · 25/03/2011 12:12

Great news LAF and Havingkittens :)

digitalgirl · 25/03/2011 15:11

That's excellent Laf only three weeks away.

claire you've been pregnant though - so it's possible the first pregnancy set off the nk cells. I think he was referring to those who can't get pregnant (not having high nk cells) as opposed to those who miscarry. He said that the only time they find high nk cells in someone who can't get pregnant is when they eventually find out she'd had a previous pregnancy that she either terminated or miscarried.

harassed glad to hear you've managed to get the doc to do some tests. Sorry to hear your dd got so upset. During my third mc ds saw me on the loo and noticed I had red wee and every know and again asks if my wee is red or yellow. He's too young to know that red means blood means danger. I also know what you mean about going to work in the hope that it will distract you, again in my third mc I did just that. Unfortunately I think it was too soon for me and so for this mc I took two weeks off (for the first time). The time has flown by, I've had time to reflect but not dwell as ds has kept me fairly busy. And it's been lovely spending time with him.

I know I haven't even had a diagnosis yet, but I'm so pleased we decided to see Dr Shehata. I found the NHS waiting times and lack of specialist knowledge to be one of the most anxiety inducing aspects of this whole experience. He was v straightforward, v knowledgeable and v confident that he would find a cause. There was none of the bs about how it's v unlikely I'll ever find out and I should just keep trying etc. And he goes for the belt and braces approach - which I'm happy to follow.

hairylights · 25/03/2011 17:31

Go says my bloods are "excellent"!!! :)

And is open to pushing for all tests to be done on Nhs including nk cells! :)

hairylights · 25/03/2011 17:32

GP. Not Go.

digitalgirl · 25/03/2011 21:17

Found the list. It's a biggie. Took the liberty of moving Banana to the pregnant section. Put myself under the treatment section as I've at least been given some metformin.

STARTING TESTING
HAIRYLIGHTS, age 42, MC1 (Jun 10, very low HCG, suspected ectopic, methotrexate), MC 2 (Nov 22 2010, MMC,ERPC, no heart beat at ten weeks, fetus 8 week size), MC3 (MMC - Medical Management, Feb 13 2011, MMC at 7 week scan). Waiting to TTC
LAF77 , Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.
PANDA 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC
CLAIREDELOON Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.
NOTSOBARRENBROOK Age 35. 1st mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2009), 2nd mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2010), 3rd mmc @ 11 weeks, development stopped at 6 weeks 3 days (March 2010), 4th mmc @ 5 weeks (August 2010). Possible adenomyosis, awaiting hsg and results of testing from St Mary's.
MILKYWAY2007 Age 27 - DD age 3. 1st MC Oct
2009, 6 weeks. 2nd MMC March 2010, 11 weeks (baby passed away at 7 weeks). 3rd MC July 2010, 6 weeks. 4th MMC 24 Jan 2011, 9 weeks - no amniotic sac, baby measured 7weeks 4 days, no HB, had seen a healthy HB at 7 weeks. Blood clotting, hormone, genetic karyotype and shape and health of uterus checked and all clear - although high prolactin level found. Waiting for appointment at RMC with consultant, and wanting to be referred to St Mary's.
LUCKYFOR2 Age 32 - DD age 5. DD age 3. 1st MC May 2010 found at 12 week scan passed away at 9 weeks. 2nd MC September 2010 natural at 8 weeks. 3nd MC January 2011 at 16 weeks, saw hb at 13 but no hb at 15.5. Bloods taken from me and DH at hospital at last MC and awaiting results on baby from PM.
IGGI2011 - Age 40, 3 year old DS. 3 MC last year, at 6, 8 and 8 weeks. Last two had hb detected. Having bloods taken by obs soon.
CONFU3ED - Age 35 1st MC 1998 14 weeks. DD age 11. 2nd MC July 2009 5.5 weeks. ERPC Twice. No tests. 6 months Clomid 3rd MC January 2010. The foetus sent for testing - came back fine. Been referred to recurrent MC clinic at the hospital for tests, waiting for appointment. Was told I have PCOS through a scan but never diagnosed.
PUREEQUEEN Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Jan 08) MC2 (6 weeks March 08), DS born (prem) 2009 - now 2 years old (took low dose aspirin for that pregnancy - self prescribed!) MC3 (9 weeks Oct 10). MC4 Jan 2011. First 2 natural mcs latter 2 mmc and had ERPCs. I have also just had the chromosome test back on MC4 placenta and she had a genetic abnormality. Also have endo and a septate uterus.

UNDERGOING TREATMENT
CRYSTAL5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid
LADYBEE 37, MC1 (5wks), DS (2), MC2 blighted ovum discovered @ 8 wk scan, MC3 natural @ 9 wks following hb seen at 7 1/2 wk. PCOS previously diagnosed, Factor V Leiden heterozygote discovered in recent testing. Treatment with aspirin (from BFP) + clexane started at 6 weeks. MC4 MMC @ 8.1 wks (discovered @ 11 wk scan) following hb seen at 6+6 wks. Consultant suggests aspirin + clexane to start at 4 weeks, plus progesterone pessaries. Management of MC tbc.
DIGITALGIRL Age 32 - DS 2.7 - 4MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. MC4 8 weeks. All natural, except MC4 managed with ERPC for karyotyping purposes. Hormone levels fine, but taking Metformin for mild PCOS. Clotting tests all normal. DH & my karyotyping normal. Awaiting results from ERPC karyotyping, plus test results for NK Cells, anti-nuclear anti-bodies and anti-thyroid antibodes. Will be under Dr Shehata's treatment program if high nk cells are found. Waiting to TTC.

PREGNANT
BANANA87 Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.
MUMMYABROAD Age 36, 1DS (2.9), 1MMC Mar 2010 (@14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis and treatment Nov 2010, Started TTC Jan 2011 BFP on Cycle 2 EDD 4/11/11
GLITTERYBITS 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!
JUSTMEE Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day
LOVELYBUNCHOFCOCONUTS Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks - growth stopped at 7), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus.
LOVEMYSLEEP Age 39, 1 mmc, dd born(now 5), 2nd mc (9wks, 2days), 3rd mc (9wks, 3days) and 4th mc at 5 wks. All tests on NHS came back clear. Currently undergoing treatment with Dr.Shehata for very high natural killer cells - aspirin, progesterone, steroids, omezaprole and one intralipid infusion completed.

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!
LUNATIC dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, pg #5 section booked for 9th Feb @ 35wks. On 150mg aspirin daily.
STILLFRAZZLED Age 35, DS1 (3.6yo), 1 mc @ 5 weeks Jan 09, 2nd mc @ 9 weeks March 09, DS2 born @ 35+3 on 04/01/11 with Intra Uterine Growth Restriction but currently home and doing well.
MUMATRON Age 28 2 dc then 4mc, 3 @9weeks 1@5weeks, tests showed possible free protein s ishoo. dd2 born 06/01/2011, aspirin, claxane and high dose folic acid through pg.
JULEZBOO Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

iggi999 · 25/03/2011 22:00

Found the list. It's a biggie. Took the liberty of moving Banana to the pregnant section. Put myself under the treatment section as I've at least been given some metformin.

STARTING TESTING
HAIRYLIGHTS, age 42, MC1 (Jun 10, very low HCG, suspected ectopic, methotrexate), MC 2 (Nov 22 2010, MMC,ERPC, no heart beat at ten weeks, fetus 8 week size), MC3 (MMC - Medical Management, Feb 13 2011, MMC at 7 week scan). Waiting to TTC
LAF77 , Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.
PANDA 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC
CLAIREDELOON Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.
NOTSOBARRENBROOK Age 35. 1st mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2009), 2nd mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2010), 3rd mmc @ 11 weeks, development stopped at 6 weeks 3 days (March 2010), 4th mmc @ 5 weeks (August 2010). Possible adenomyosis, awaiting hsg and results of testing from St Mary's.
MILKYWAY2007 Age 27 - DD age 3. 1st MC Oct
2009, 6 weeks. 2nd MMC March 2010, 11 weeks (baby passed away at 7 weeks). 3rd MC July 2010, 6 weeks. 4th MMC 24 Jan 2011, 9 weeks - no amniotic sac, baby measured 7weeks 4 days, no HB, had seen a healthy HB at 7 weeks. Blood clotting, hormone, genetic karyotype and shape and health of uterus checked and all clear - although high prolactin level found. Waiting for appointment at RMC with consultant, and wanting to be referred to St Mary's.
LUCKYFOR2 Age 32 - DD age 5. DD age 3. 1st MC May 2010 found at 12 week scan passed away at 9 weeks. 2nd MC September 2010 natural at 8 weeks. 3nd MC January 2011 at 16 weeks, saw hb at 13 but no hb at 15.5. Bloods taken from me and DH at hospital at last MC and awaiting results on baby from PM.
IGGI999 - Age 40, 3 year old DS. 3 MC last year, at 6, 8 and 8 weeks. Last two had hb detected. NHS blood tests came back clear, except for presence of antinuclear antibodies. To take aspirin for this. Going to see Shehata in May as think steroids are needed.
CONFU3ED - Age 35 1st MC 1998 14 weeks. DD age 11. 2nd MC July 2009 5.5 weeks. ERPC Twice. No tests. 6 months Clomid 3rd MC January 2010. The foetus sent for testing - came back fine. Been referred to recurrent MC clinic at the hospital for tests, waiting for appointment. Was told I have PCOS through a scan but never diagnosed.
PUREEQUEEN Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Jan 08) MC2 (6 weeks March 08), DS born (prem) 2009 - now 2 years old (took low dose aspirin for that pregnancy - self prescribed!) MC3 (9 weeks Oct 10). MC4 Jan 2011. First 2 natural mcs latter 2 mmc and had ERPCs. I have also just had the chromosome test back on MC4 placenta and she had a genetic abnormality. Also have endo and a septate uterus.

UNDERGOING TREATMENT
CRYSTAL5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid
LADYBEE 37, MC1 (5wks), DS (2), MC2 blighted ovum discovered @ 8 wk scan, MC3 natural @ 9 wks following hb seen at 7 1/2 wk. PCOS previously diagnosed, Factor V Leiden heterozygote discovered in recent testing. Treatment with aspirin (from BFP) + clexane started at 6 weeks. MC4 MMC @ 8.1 wks (discovered @ 11 wk scan) following hb seen at 6+6 wks. Consultant suggests aspirin + clexane to start at 4 weeks, plus progesterone pessaries. Management of MC tbc.
DIGITALGIRL Age 32 - DS 2.7 - 4MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. MC4 8 weeks. All natural, except MC4 managed with ERPC for karyotyping purposes. Hormone levels fine, but taking Metformin for mild PCOS. Clotting tests all normal. DH & my karyotyping normal. Awaiting results from ERPC karyotyping, plus test results for NK Cells, anti-nuclear anti-bodies and anti-thyroid antibodes. Will be under Dr Shehata's treatment program if high nk cells are found. Waiting to TTC.

PREGNANT
BANANA87 Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.
MUMMYABROAD Age 36, 1DS (2.9), 1MMC Mar 2010 (@14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis and treatment Nov 2010, Started TTC Jan 2011 BFP on Cycle 2 EDD 4/11/11
GLITTERYBITS 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!
JUSTMEE Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day
LOVELYBUNCHOFCOCONUTS Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks - growth stopped at 7), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus.
LOVEMYSLEEP Age 39, 1 mmc, dd born(now 5), 2nd mc (9wks, 2days), 3rd mc (9wks, 3days) and 4th mc at 5 wks. All tests on NHS came back clear. Currently undergoing treatment with Dr.Shehata for very high natural killer cells - aspirin, progesterone, steroids, omezaprole and one intralipid infusion completed.

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!
LUNATIC dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, pg #5 section booked for 9th Feb @ 35wks. On 150mg aspirin daily.
STILLFRAZZLED Age 35, DS1 (3.6yo), 1 mc @ 5 weeks Jan 09, 2nd mc @ 9 weeks March 09, DS2 born @ 35+3 on 04/01/11 with Intra Uterine Growth Restriction but currently home and doing well.
MUMATRON Age 28 2 dc then 4mc, 3 @9weeks 1@5weeks, tests showed possible free protein s ishoo. dd2 born 06/01/2011, aspirin, claxane and high dose folic acid through pg.
JULEZBOO Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

iggi999 · 25/03/2011 22:01

Sorry, didn't mean to copy the top bit too!

justmee · 26/03/2011 15:44

Hi all

sorry havnt wrote for so long been a really hard time for me after getting threw the 1st 3 months fo mc scare 12 week scan showed the nuchal reading 3.8-4.8mm got refured to a specialist who said i was measuring 3.4 which is still a bit higher than what hed like to see nasal bone seen and stomache seen which he said was good heat rate was good so he said he didnt want me to have a cvs due to my previous mc's and offered me a amnio only thing he said is i will have to stop clexane for at least 2 days!! so he said my mc will go up plus the amnio carrys a small risk and my previous and will suport me with whhistory hes gave me time to think about this and said its totally my desicion atever we chose i then asked him if i had the amnio and the results come back that there was something wrong what would happen he said i would get my results between 20-21 weeks and if i want to terminate they will inject threw my belly that goes to the babys brain and kills the baby and i have a still birth!!!!i felt the tears come down my face and had to go out side to clear myself up the car jorney home was 3 hours and i cried all the way back i cant belive this is happening to me i saw the baby on the screen doing flips waving sucking the thumb doc even said looks like a baby girl is cuming i feel so numb and scared..have talked with partner and we dont really want to have the cvs done so im looking into other things like scanning at 20 weeks terrified right now :(((

hope eveytone else is having better luck xxx

Havingkittens · 26/03/2011 17:04

Justme so sorry you're going through all this, it must all be so overwhelming and scary for you. Did you get the results back from your combined blood tests yet? This should help a bit with getting an idea of the risks.

Also, have you been on the "Antenatal tests and choices" part of Mumsnet? It's under the "Becoming a Parent" heading. Some of the ladies over there may be able to give you some ideas about your options. There are places you can go for more detailed scanning for abnormalities if you can afford to go for a private scan. There are other markers they are able to check for than just the nasal bone if you go to a specialist privately.

A lot of the women on those threads have had private scans and will be able to advise you of the best and most thorough people to go to. I have unfortunately been through this experience twice and have ended up terminating both pregnancies so I have spent a fair amount of time on that part of the Mumsnet's forums. I'm sorry I can't remember which clinics were mentioned but it's worth posting on there to ask someone, like the Miscarriage forum, everyone over there is really helpful and supportive.

ClaireDeLoon · 26/03/2011 20:04

Justmee so sorry what an awful time for you. I have no helpful advice just lots of love and support for you while you decide about further tests.

Havingkittens big hugs for what you have been through too :(

Havingkittens · 26/03/2011 20:30

Thanks Claire - I'm so confused now as to whether my next pregnancy will be monitored by Dr Shehata or the Fetal Medicine Unit at UCH, or both at once as I am now high risk for both things!

digitalgirl · 26/03/2011 20:30

justmee you poor poor thing. So sorry to hear what you're going through. I don't have any advice I'm afraid, as I never had a nuchal test with ds. As with any major medical decisions you should try to get a second opinion, from the best consultant you can track down in Turkey. Or failing that could you fly back to the uk and be seen by someone here? Thinking of you.

milkyway07 · 26/03/2011 23:00

Hi all, saw the updated list and thought I'd change my age...another bloody year ..

STARTING TESTING
HAIRYLIGHTS, age 42, MC1 (Jun 10, very low HCG, suspected ectopic, methotrexate), MC 2 (Nov 22 2010, MMC,ERPC, no heart beat at ten weeks, fetus 8 week size), MC3 (MMC - Medical Management, Feb 13 2011, MMC at 7 week scan). Waiting to TTC
LAF77 , Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.
PANDA 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC
CLAIREDELOON Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.
NOTSOBARRENBROOK Age 35. 1st mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2009), 2nd mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2010), 3rd mmc @ 11 weeks, development stopped at 6 weeks 3 days (March 2010), 4th mmc @ 5 weeks (August 2010). Possible adenomyosis, awaiting hsg and results of testing from St Mary's.
MILKYWAY2007 Age 28 - DD age 3. 1st MC Oct 2009, 6 weeks. 2nd MMC March 2010, 11 weeks (baby passed away at 7 weeks). 3rd MC July 2010, 6 weeks. 4th MMC 24 Jan 2011, 9 weeks - no amniotic sac, baby measured 7weeks 4 days, no HB, had seen a healthy HB at 7 weeks. Blood clotting, hormone, genetic karyotype and shape and health of uterus checked and all clear. High dose folic acid prescribed.
LUCKYFOR2 Age 32 - DD age 5. DD age 3. 1st MC May 2010 found at 12 week scan passed away at 9 weeks. 2nd MC September 2010 natural at 8 weeks. 3nd MC January 2011 at 16 weeks, saw hb at 13 but no hb at 15.5. Bloods taken from me and DH at hospital at last MC and awaiting results on baby from PM.
IGGI999 - Age 40, 3 year old DS. 3 MC last year, at 6, 8 and 8 weeks. Last two had hb detected. NHS blood tests came back clear, except for presence of antinuclear antibodies. To take aspirin for this. Going to see Shehata in May as think steroids are needed.
CONFU3ED - Age 35 1st MC 1998 14 weeks. DD age 11. 2nd MC July 2009 5.5 weeks. ERPC Twice. No tests. 6 months Clomid 3rd MC January 2010. The foetus sent for testing - came back fine. Been referred to recurrent MC clinic at the hospital for tests, waiting for appointment. Was told I have PCOS through a scan but never diagnosed.
PUREEQUEEN Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Jan 08) MC2 (6 weeks March 08), DS born (prem) 2009 - now 2 years old (took low dose aspirin for that pregnancy - self prescribed!) MC3 (9 weeks Oct 10). MC4 Jan 2011. First 2 natural mcs latter 2 mmc and had ERPCs. I have also just had the chromosome test back on MC4 placenta and she had a genetic abnormality. Also have endo and a septate uterus.

UNDERGOING TREATMENT
CRYSTAL5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid
LADYBEE 37, MC1 (5wks), DS (2), MC2 blighted ovum discovered @ 8 wk scan, MC3 natural @ 9 wks following hb seen at 7 1/2 wk. PCOS previously diagnosed, Factor V Leiden heterozygote discovered in recent testing. Treatment with aspirin (from BFP) + clexane started at 6 weeks. MC4 MMC @ 8.1 wks (discovered @ 11 wk scan) following hb seen at 6+6 wks. Consultant suggests aspirin + clexane to start at 4 weeks, plus progesterone pessaries. Management of MC tbc.
DIGITALGIRL Age 32 - DS 2.7 - 4MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. MC4 8 weeks. All natural, except MC4 managed with ERPC for karyotyping purposes. Hormone levels fine, but taking Metformin for mild PCOS. Clotting tests all normal. DH & my karyotyping normal. Awaiting results from ERPC karyotyping, plus test results for NK Cells, anti-nuclear anti-bodies and anti-thyroid antibodes. Will be under Dr Shehata's treatment program if high nk cells are found. Waiting to TTC.

PREGNANT
BANANA87 Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.
MUMMYABROAD Age 36, 1DS (2.9), 1MMC Mar 2010 (@14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis and treatment Nov 2010, Started TTC Jan 2011 BFP on Cycle 2 EDD 4/11/11
GLITTERYBITS 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!
JUSTMEE Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day
LOVELYBUNCHOFCOCONUTS Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks - growth stopped at 7), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus.
LOVEMYSLEEP Age 39, 1 mmc, dd born(now 5), 2nd mc (9wks, 2days), 3rd mc (9wks, 3days) and 4th mc at 5 wks. All tests on NHS came back clear. Currently undergoing treatment with Dr.Shehata for very high natural killer cells - aspirin, progesterone, steroids, omezaprole and one intralipid infusion completed.

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!
LUNATIC dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, pg #5 section booked for 9th Feb @ 35wks. On 150mg aspirin daily.
STILLFRAZZLED Age 35, DS1 (3.6yo), 1 mc @ 5 weeks Jan 09, 2nd mc @ 9 weeks March 09, DS2 born @ 35+3 on 04/01/11 with Intra Uterine Growth Restriction but currently home and doing well.
MUMATRON Age 28 2 dc then 4mc, 3 @9weeks 1@5weeks, tests showed possible free protein s ishoo. dd2 born 06/01/2011, aspirin, claxane and high dose folic acid through pg.
JULEZBOO Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts · 28/03/2011 17:02

Hi all a bit quiet over here the last couple of days. Here's hoping you have all had a nice weekend.

Just been looking over the list and so many of you have moved into the starting testing section. It really is promising and I hope you all get some answers. I remember noticing when we first did the list that the testing section only had one or two of you in it, so really positive that so many of you are embarking on that testing journey.

I feel a little bit of a fraud coming here and posting but I still lurk and keep up to date with everyone's progress.

Hoping all the preggos are ok and doing well and that the new babies are growing up fast :)

Me, not much has changed, still taking cyclizine, still have HG and super bad excema to add to the mix. But I don't care. I am 13 weeks today and I never thought I'd reach the second trimester. Not in a million years. I am in maternity clothes and am huge and cannot conceal my bump, especially as the warmer weather has appeared and I no longer want to hide in my big winter coat.

Hope is out there ladies, I hope it comes to you all very soon :)

Much love xx

luckyfor2 · 28/03/2011 20:17

justmee I'm so sorry you're having to go through this its just not fair. I can't help at all but I hope you can get some support from people who know whats what. I do hope everything turns out right for you. x

LAFF yeah - glad you've got your appointment. Know what you mean about starting to feel happy. The waiting is agony.

Good news to everyone who had a good appointment last week and hello to all the pregnant ladies.

Not much news from me. Finally stopped spotting and got +opk Sat/Sun so been bding lots, if it doesn't happen this month at least I know my body is working again which is a huge relief.

waves to anyone I haven't mentioned. xxx

Glitterybits · 28/03/2011 20:29

Despite my promises to keep up, I'm shuffling in shamefacedly to do another mega catch up. Blush

mattsmama Sounds as though you are on enough medication to rattle when you walk. Fingers crossed it all pays off. It sounds as though you are in capable hands with Dr Shehata, though I appreciate that doesn't help with the previous losses. Still, it must be reassuring to see some light at the end of a long tunnel.

digi I never actually went down the acupuncture route due to cost, but I was seriously considering it at one point when my cycles were just all over the shop. I am fully expecting them to go utterly haywire again after pregnancy, so I'm hoping to feel that my family is complete if I get a take home baby at the end of this. I don't think I can take the stress again anyway. Ironically, I've been warned that I may be super fertile now that I'm apparently 'working' again. Without a concrete diagnosis of any kind, I still don't really know what my problem was, or why the clomid sorted me out straightaway. I wish I had answers to some of my questions, so I could help others - if nothing else, but they don't seem to be interested in cause so much as effect.

It sounds as though there has been a marked improvement since you started treatment. Mind you, I don't suppose it's much consolation to correct your cycles and assist your conception rate if you then have the horror of mc to dread. There are so many hurdles to contend with when facing RMC and infertility. I don't know which is worse. But, good news on the appt with Dr S. Every cloud has a silver lining. Like you, I always went with the theory that it's better to be having sex than be depressed about not doing it. I also charted and temped like an obsessive maniac. My poor DH has really had his work cut out for him over the past couple of years! Oddly, he still seems to have an awful lot of tolerance. Okay, so I've just caught up and read about your experience with Dr S. Sounds wonderful to be finally getting somewhere. You must feel as though a weight has been lifted. I know it's only the start of the journey, but really chuffed for you anyway. Very interested to read about his take on NK cells.

Hairy That does sound fairly positive on the egg front. Yey for being unusual! I think you're right to go down the RMC route for now, with the knowledge that there is the option of IVF in the future. Hope you had a lovely holiday. As I recall, the LH/ FSH levels should shed some light on the quality of the eggs you have in reserve. All I remember from having my own tested is that they like them to be as close to each other as possible in terms of value, but the fact that yours are in normal range is a great sign. It's also great that you have such a positive outlook on it all. Fingers crossed you get the answers you are after soon. When you mention that they will scan your ovaries/ womb, do you mean that they will carry out an HSG? An ultrasound won't show up anything clearly enough for them to give you a definitive answer on this. Seems a bit odd if they've scanned you a total of 7 times in the past and never considered this option, if not.

Iggi I remember that feeling of pinning all your hopes on one thing. Don't be afraid to fight for a second opinion. If I hadn't eventually given in and done so, I certainly wouldn't be where I am now. I wouldn't take one consultant's view about Quenby as correct. All these medics seem to have wildly conflicting views and it's often just a case of finding the right one for you who will actually listen to your plight. I love my GP, but if I'd stuck with his initial Victorian approach to conception, I reckon I'd never have conceived again! Okay, so I've just read your update on Dr S. That's great news. Hope it helps you as much as it seems to be helping others.

Claire The wait for your appt sounds like hell on earth. I hope you're getting somewhere with them now. What a joke! I fully relate to the breaking down in front of receptionists. FWIW I'm really glad that happened. Obviously, it was no fun for you, but they need to be aware just how utterly dreadful this is for people trying to deal with this sort of thing and have a normal life at the same time.

LAF I'm really saddened to hear how down you've been, but it's not really surprising given all that you've been through. I have continued admiration for your ability to get through the days and the fact that you've continued to pester St Mary's, despite their increasingly disheartening organisation, or lack of it. I always found it so hard to pester people for fear that I came across as a nuisance, but you're absolutely right to do it. You never get anything in this life unless you ask...and then ask some more. I'm not surprised it feels a bit like hitting a brick wall until you get that letter. Without it, there is no means of closure or progression for you and the reaction to you forgetting your laptop sounds so familiar. There are triggers for your grief around every corner when you least expect them. I can relate to having to see pregnant family members very well. Absolutely awful when you're in complete turmoil inside. But...I've just read that you FINALLY got your appt. How behind am I? Wonderful news for you. It's a start, as you say. It's something to look forward to. Fingers and toes well and truly crossed for you and let's hope the next 3 weeks or so past quickly.

kittens Whether it is infertility or RMC you're dealing with, it is utter shite as you say. No one should have to contend with either and I understand how utterly awful the fear of RMC is if you conceive easily, just as I empathise with those who can't at all. It's not exactly peachy being in either camp. It removes all the magic of the BFP for those who eventually get it and all the fun of pregnancy - for those who eventually make it that far. But, I agree with you that it's easier to feel frustrated with people in RL who have no concept of what either feels like. I'm not saying I want more people to experience such hell. I'm just saying that people can say the most absurdly insensitive things when they are still blissfully ignorant enough to think that sex = pregnancy = baby. My own family is a prime example of this! Hang in there and have a hand to hold in the meantime.

confu3ed I cannot believe you are having to go right back to square one after already being at the point where you've received help from a fertility clinic. Can't you get a referral back to the same clinic to pick up where you left off, or do they only assist with conception and nothing else? Seems a bit narrow-minded if that is the case!? Sad As ever, the whole system just seems utterly barbaric if you don't fit the 'one size fits all' clomid mould that they seem to have adopted. As I said, I STILL don't know what was wrong with me and the fact that they seem against the idea of researching why we have these issues rather than applying a quick medicinal fix (a fix for some people anyway) seems a bit worrying at times like this. Surely the people who helped you to get pregnant in the first place should be seeing your treatment through and helping when it goes wrong. How many other women in your position are being turned away and told to wait, I wonder? It doesn't bear thinking about. Have you looked into how much it would actually cost to go private? I'd be tempted to see a different GP - if yours can't get you a quick referral (preferably a female one, who has a greater awareness of the emotional impact this could be causing) and see if they can't speed things up a little for you. I'm so sorry you're having to contend with this on top of everything else. Talk about dangling a carrot in front of you.

Welcome harrassed though I'm obviously sorry you find yourself here. The 3 miscarriage rule is utterly barbaric in my humble opinion and I hope you manage to find a way around it. I think women intuitively know when there's a problem, particularly when they've managed to have a healthy pregnancy in the past. It almost makes you want to lie, doesn't it, even though one miscarriage is more than enough for anyone to have to deal with.

However, even if you can't get some of the fancy private testing, it certainly wouldn't hurt for your GP to do a few basic hormone tests to check there's nothing awry with your cycle. These include LH/FSH levels (to check hormone levels/ quality and quantity of egg reserves) between days 1-3 of your cycle, testosterone and prolactin (which most GPs will test as a matter of course when testing other hormones as too much of either can have adverse effects on your ability to conceive and sustain pregnancy) and progesterone (to check you are ovulating properly and the progesterone levels rise sufficiently after ovulation to conceive and maintain pregnancy. Hope this helps a bit.

justmee so sorry to hear that you've been given such an awful decision to make. I would echo other sentiments that you should definitely wait for your nuchal results to come back before making any decisions about intrusive tests, which could potentially be more harmful than good. I realise that's very easy for me to say, but you may find that your blood results come back as being low risk. The fact that a nasal bone was present is very reassuring - at least in terms of Downs syndrome being unlikely. Very rarely will a nasal bone be visible at this point if that is the problem. The 20 week scan will give you a much clearer picture of what is going on, although I fully understand that that's a hell of a long wait for you at the moment. Is there any chance you can another scan between 16-18 weeks to see if they can get a clearer picture then?

I've just copied this off the babycentre website for you. I thought it might be of some comfort before you make any rash decisions.

'An increased NT does not mean there is definitely a problem. Some babies without Down's have increased fluid, too. Nine out of 10 babies with a measurement between 2.5mm and 3.5mm will be completely normal (Nicolaides et al 1999).'

Can I ask, were you bang on 12 weeks when you had your scan? If your dates are even slightly out, the NT can be very dubious. For example, if you are actually a week ahead, the fluid increases. This is why you can only have an accurate nuchal test up to 13 weeks and 6 days.

Coconuts Massive congratulations to you on getting to the 2nd trimester. I'm really, really pleased for you. Wishing you a few more uneventful and happy months ahead.

Waves to Mummy and anyone else I've missed. Hope all you new Mums are coping too. I'm missing you all, but I really hope that no news is good news and your babies are all thriving.

Bit of a rotten time at my end. Was in hospital yesterday being monitored because I'm bleeding again. The baby's heart rate is fine. My BP is fine (quite surprisingly, considering I'm a gibbering wreck) and my cervix is closed. All good news, but I'm very frightened. They eventually sent me home and told me I'd be fine because the bleeding had turned brown. Unfortunately for them, experience tells me that any kind of bleeding is not fine in pregnancy. I don't think doctors like me and my general 'awareness' about all this very much. They seem to prefer people who do as they are told and don't have any concept of what may/ may not be wrong in there! Grin I'm tired of people telling me that brown or pink is okay when I had a week of that before my last mc.

I'm trying very hard to be rational and brave, but I can't bear the thought of another 18 weeks of worry, assuming I get that far. They've told me I'm yet another week ahead of my dates although that puts my fundus height 3 weeks behind and this gave them cause for concern. When I tried to explain that I knew exactly when this baby was conceived due to fertility treatment, they just ignored me. I have been told that this is likely to happen again if I've had bleeding throughout and that, although my placenta is considered to be anterior, it is fairly low. Having said that, everyone seems to have a different opinion - there were two conflicting theories about my baby's heart rate on either side of the same page - and they couldn't scan me because it was a Sunday, so how they can determine where my placenta is just by looking at me is beyond me. I've continued to bleed today, although I can still feel little wriggles. I keep telling the little one to hang on in there, but I feel ever so slightly hopeless about it all, when my visit should have reassured me. It's very difficult to know how often/ when to seek medical assistance when they send you away with the reassurance that it's okay. How long will it be okay for and when should I go back? When it's too late? I just don't really know what to do with myself, but I'm hoping and praying that all will be well, which is all I feel I can do at this point. Sigh. Sorry for the endless waffle! Love to all. xx

mattsmama · 28/03/2011 21:38

Glittery Sorry you are have such a rotten time.

I think a mistake we make is that we are compare previous pregnancies (me included). Every twinge, pain, EVERYTHING I am feeling in this pregnancy I am comparing to my last M/C's and the pregnancy in which I had my DS.

I am currently 6 weeks and 4 days and am constantly analysing and comparing it to my previous ones. However every pregnancy is a different one and every pregnancy has different symptoms. With regard to blood it really isn't always a bad sign. I was chatting to a friend today who has four children and with her fourth she was telling me how she bled at 12 weeks (bright red followed by brown) and again at 16 weeks and how terrifying it all was. Everything turned out fine.

With my previous m/c's I had absolutely no blood loss or indication of miscarriage (they were both silent) hence my point about bleeding not always been a bad sign.

It is so "third world" how scanners aren't available on a weekend?!! It really pisses me off beyond belief does that. It is ludicrous. Ask for a scan to put your mind at rest. You are still scared and uncertain - so ring them tomorrow. Previous M/C's leave their scar - and a scan is the only way to get the reassurance you need. I'll be thinking of you.

Incidentally I have my first scan on Wednesday and to say I am bricking it is a complete understatement. I feel in limbo at the moment - I want the scan but am terrified.

Hope you get the reassurance you need and that the bleeding buggers off and enables you to relax Smile

Glitterybits · 28/03/2011 22:01

Thanks mattsmama. You are so right that we compare each pregnancy with the others. Daft really, because this one has been entirely different pretty much all the way through, but give me 99% good and 1% bad and I'll focus on the bad! I'm one of life's worriers.

Tbh I doubt a scan would really put my mind at ease for more than a couple of hours afterwards. I know she's in there doing the odd wriggle every now and then and that everything apart from the bleeding was okay yesterday. I just wish it would stop so that I could stop being such a basketcase.

If it's still there tomorrow, I will probably call them back. I really don't want to be neurotic as I know it isn't always bad news, but I really don't want to ignore what could be bad news IYSWIM. Funny how every book you read says 'get to the doctor' at the first sign of bleeding. The hospital staff seem to have a really good way of making you feel that you're being daft when you get there, particularly when they can't even scan you because it's Sunday!

Best of luck to you for Wednesday. I think I spent most of the morning prior to mine flitting between throwing up and crying. You want to go, but doubt your legs will carry you. Sending lots of love and masses of luck to you. I hope everything is okay. xx

Iggi999 · 28/03/2011 22:34

Alovelybunchofcoconuts I'm so pleased you've reached this stage, and glad you got the treatment you needed Smile
Glitterybits I know you must be worried, and it's so hard to remember that we could be the ones out there who bleed and are fine, you get so used to being the one things go wrong for. BUTNOTTHISTIME! Don't worry how often you need to go to the hospital, if you weren't able to be proactive you wouldn't have reached the stage you're at now, I suppose.
I have spent hours tonight renewing my home insurance and was really chuffed to save £200 on last year's, which I can put into my Shehata fund!

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts · 29/03/2011 10:17

Hi glittery sorry you are having a troublesome time. I remember you saying you bled quite a bit at around 12weeks also? I have had alot of spotting at around 8 weeks this time, and when I was pregnant with DD I bled and bled for days on end at around 18-20 weeks. They never found a cause for the bleed and my baby was happy in there and is now nearly 3. I know this isn't much comfort to you but so many women have unexplained bleeds. It doesn't help that we have had mcs and are more likely to panic.

I don't think you will look like a mad-woman if you just call your MW and explain that you are still bleeding and not satisfied that the hospital found a reason for it. I also know how you feel regarding the dates. I know the exact day that I ovulated/SWI but they never listen to that as me knowing my dates. Everytime I have had a scan so far I have been a week behind or a week ahead, but it has evened itself out. My due date changes all the time.

It is also crap that scanning equipement is not available on weekends. I had this experience when I was admitted a few weeks ago. The doctor who saw me was a lovely man and the best doctor I had ever seen and even he said it is absolutely ridiculous and very "third world" that scanning equipment isn't available 24/7 in EPU/maternity and A&E wards.

I'm just waffling on now but I really hope you can relax a little (easy for me to say I know) just wanted you to know you weren't the only one having troubles :) I hope the bleeding calms down, get some rest and keep on the phone the the MWs as and when you need to.

xx

mattsmama · 29/03/2011 10:49

glittery thank you for your well wishes - it is much appreciated. The nerves are really setting in today - must keep myself occupied or think I'll go round the twist - what the heck will I be like tomorrow?!!

Hope your feeling okay today - and don't hesitate to call them back if you are at all bothered about anything - that's what they are there for ( although I think they forget that themselves sometimes!) It is so true what you say about bleeding - they tell you go to the hospital etc straight away and then when you do that they do bugger all! Hope it's calming down for you Smile

hairylights · 29/03/2011 12:55

Glittery so sorry you're having some problems - I am sending all good thoughts to you.

And thank you for taking the time out to post - yes, I feel really heartened by the LH/FSH results (and even more so that you say they are a good indicator of quality! - hadn't heard that).

I had my follow up today with the lovely consultant (ever such a nice, compassionate man).

We will be tested for Thrombophilia and we will have Karotyping - bloods to be taken in two weeks, results early May.

He also says it is excellent news that my bloods (FSH etc) look good and it's great that I am in fact conceiving.

I have rejoined my mindfulness medidation class (run at a Buddhist centre) and the teaching I'm receiving from the leader (who is very wise and compassionate) is making so much sense it's uncanny. It's really helping me to realise my grief and accept what has happened, but also accept that I will one day have a child - or most importantly - be a mother.

I shed a little tear yesterday at something he said about attaching blame and how there is no blame. It was in the context of general life. He turned to me and said 'it's hard to hear, isn't it'.

Later on, he said that there is a saying that when you have wept many times, you have learned what you are seeking. I thought that was lovely.

digitalgirl · 29/03/2011 15:04

glittery hope the bleeding calms down soon. It is a very worrying reminder how fragile a pregnancy is. But as you say, little one is still wriggling around letting you know they're there. Those little thumps must feel v reassuring.

hairy great stuff with the upcoming tests and positive mindset.

mattsmama remember all too clearly the scan-fear. Best of luck.

Not much happening here. Still chasing paperwork on my uch tests to take to my next Dr S appointment. Started temping yesterday along with going back to work. Attempting a low gi diet and a gentle exercise regime that involves walking to the station each morning. Have graduated to two metformin pills a day and Thursday I'll be on the full dose of 3 a day. Waiting to see if it helps me ovulate any earlier - but was told not to expect much change straightaway. So realistically ovulation won't happen till mid-April (going by previous WTF cycles), period not due till 9th May. Smack bang in the middle of our holiday. Oh joy. Praying for this metformin to kick in soon.

stillfrazzled · 29/03/2011 19:28

OK, am still entirely failing to do catch-ups but have been lurking and thinking of you all.

Will not have a prayer of 'doing' everyone but just wanted to say congratulations banana! And very glad that you're starting treatment, digital.

Glittery, I'd been looking forward to saying how wonderful to be looking forward to a lovely DD, and I am still going to say that even though I can understand how terrified you are. Hold on to the thought that this little one is obviously strong - she's made it this far (that got me through a few dark moments with Finn). I will be checking back frequently and thinking of you a lot.

Lunatic, hope the reflux is improving. Colic here still striking in the wee small hours so am still three-in-a-bed after 2am. Am a bit Hmm about it but trying to settle back and enjoy the extra cuddles.

Not much else to report. Have been feeling v low because knackered, and getting obsessively worried that little F will never catch up and always be tiny. Doesn't help that I have the 'yes he's tiny he was a preemie' convo literally three times per shopping trip/walk. People are nice but it does reinforce it all.

Heading off to visit PILs (4 hrs away) this weekend. To introduce F, given that in three months they have not managed to drag their asses down to see him, even when he was in hosp after nearly not being born alive, and did not offer poor DH any support. FIL even got to within one hour's drive of us to do with his hobby the other week, but went home without seeing us.

Can you tell that I'm livid? Any passive aggressive remark suggestions appreciated...