Recurrent Buns - MC Testing and Beyond... Part 4...!!!

[Julezboo]

Gosh we can chat ladies!!!

Part one HERE

Part two HERE

Part three HERE

List

STARTING TESTING

LAF77 , Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.
PANDA 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC
CLAIREDELOON Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.
NOTSOBARRENBROOK Age 35. 1st mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2009), 2nd mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2010), 3rd mmc @ 11 weeks, development stopped at 6 weeks 3 days (March 2010), 4th mmc @ 5 weeks (August 2010). Possible adenomyosis, awaiting hsg and results of testing from St Mary's.
MILKYWAY2007 Age 27 - DD age 3. 1st MC Oct
2009, 6 weeks. 2nd MMC March 2010, 11 weeks (baby passed away at 7 weeks). 3rd MC July 2010, 6 weeks. 4th MMC 24 Jan 2011, 9 weeks - no amniotic sac, baby measured 7weeks 4 days, no HB, had seen a healthy HB at 7 weeks. Blood clotting, hormone, genetic karyotype and shape and health of uterus checked and all clear - although high prolactin level found. Waiting for appointment at RMC with consultant, and wanting to be referred to St Mary's.
LUCKYFOR2 Age 32 - DD age 5. DD age 3. 1st MC May 2010 found at 12 week scan passed away at 9 weeks. 2nd MC September 2010 natural at 8 weeks. 3nd MC January 2011 at 16 weeks, saw hb at 13 but no hb at 15.5. Bloods taken from me and DH at hospital at last MC and awaiting results on baby from PM.
IGGI2011 - Age 40, 3 year old DS. 3 MC last year, at 6, 8 and 8 weeks. Last two had hb detected. Having bloods taken by obs soon.

UNDERGOING TREATMENT

CRYSTAL5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid
BANANA87 Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, currently waiting one more cycle before TTC. Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.

TTC

MUMMYABROAD Age 35, 1DS (2.9), 1MMC Mar 2010 (@14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis and treatment Nov 2010, Started TTC Jan 2011 Cycle 1
DIGITALGIRL Age 32 - DS 2.4 - 3MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. Awaiting clotting & karyotyping results, under consultant care for rmc. Mild pcos. Currently TTC.
LOVEMYSLEEP Age 39, 1 mmc, dd born(now 5), 2nd mc (9wks, 2days), 3rd mc (9wks, 3days) and 4th mc at 5 wks. All tests on NHS came back clear. Currently undergoing treatment with Dr.Shehata for very high natural killer cells

PREGNANT

LUNATIC dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, pg #5 section booked for 9th Feb @ 35wks. On 150mg aspirin daily.
GLITTERYBITS 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!
JUSTMEE Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day
LADYBEE 37, MC1 (5wks), DS (2), MC2 blighted ovum discovered @ 8 wk scan, MC3 natural @ 9 wks following hb seen at 7 1/2 wk. PCOS previously diagnosed, Factor V Leiden heterozygote discovered in recent testing. Treatment with aspirin (from BFP) + clexane started at 6 weeks.
LOVELYBUNCHOFCOCONUTS Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks - growth stopped at 7), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus.
HAIRYFAIRYLIGHTS
HAIRYCLAREYFAIRY

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!

STILLFRAZZLED Age 35, DS1 (3.6yo), 1 mc @ 5 weeks Jan 09, 2nd mc @ 9 weeks March 09, DS2 born @ 35+3 on 04/01/11 with Intra Uterine Growth Restriction and currently in Special Care Baby Unit.
MUMATRON Age 28 2 dc then 4mc, 3 @9weeks 1@5weeks, tests showed possible free protein s ishoo. dd2 born 06/01/2011, aspirin, claxane and high dose folic acid through pg.
JULEZBOO Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

Will do a catch up post now...

Hi lady the local consultant has referred me to St Mary's, but I don't have a date yet for the appointment. I wish I knew when it was going to be.

I am so sad for your news. It shouldn't happen to you after you have been referred to a specialist and they have given you treatment. We should have all suffered enough now to have a happy ending, but that is not the case.

I have mixed feelings when ovulation has come and gone. We are not TTC at the moment and I miss the wondering as to whether or not I will have a positive test, but I am not strong enough to go through another MC so soon after the last one. We never truly "get over" it. Life does carry on.

I have built a mental brick wall that I have put the pain of my MCs behind to try and get through each day. Every now and then the grief leaps over the wall and catches me, like coming out of the shower yesterday, I don't know what triggered it, but something did, and I started weeping.

We are here to share your sadness and help you through the hard days. xx

Congratulations to mummy Here's to hoping for a good result for you.

Just checking in. Glad to hear referral has come through laf
and baby doing well justmee

Had a scan today which showed a baby with a hb - no question of it being bradycardic this time which is already better than the last pg. It measures 6+4 even though I'm certain from charting I'm 6+6 (I would have got a bfp at 8dpo). Nurse didn't think a 2 day discrepancy was anything to worry about though. In another positive twist the baby at least measures one day bigger than the last one ever did. So have crossed two hurdles.

However, still not completely reassured that we're out of the woods. Have a rescan booked in two weeks time where hopefully baby will have grown required amount and can unhunch my shoulders a little.

Still no real symptoms other than slightly heavier boobs and feeling a bit 'periody', but as much as I'd love to feel a bit squiffy am sorry to see bunchofcoconuts has been suffering so severely.

lunatic fantastic news on ds' weight gain. May he continue to fatten up!

Ladybee I'm feeling absolutely sick for you, it does feel even more wrong to have this happen while you're being treated to stop it happening.

Congratulations MummyA! Fab to see that after you went through so much.

Hi to everyone else, things OK here and Finn putting on weight - we're now all the way up to 5lbs 5ozs. Which is great and getting on for double his birth weight, but still means I can't go more than five mins in town without someone commenting on how tiny he is. Feel like a parrot, constantly repeating myself - "yes, he is tiny...seven weeks old but should be five... got some catching up to do..."

Luckily they do usually say how cute he is, too. That bit never gets old .

LAF I'm pleased you got your referral. It completely is rubbish that this happened with the treatments, but I re-read Julez story the other day, and I know she had MC even with the treatment I had.

What was a bit galling was having the same consultant who had started out saying 'no, it won't be the leiden, we won't treat that' and only agreed because I insisted on it, then tell me that my risk without treatment was 75-80% of MC, and that we'd reduced that to 25% with the treatment. But I do recognise that it's still a big risk.

I spoke to my GP today, arranging to be signed off (which I've just realised I forgot to pick up today). He asked whether I was going to be ok and also said he could refer me for more investigation (which could possibly be private - got see whether it would be covered). What do you think? Given I'm on a limited schedule (leaving mid-May) do you think it's worth trying to get another referral?
I've had a lot of tests, haven't had a scan, or HSG, and haven't considered the NK cells theory at all as PCOS and Leiden Factor V seems like a good enough reason for the MCs.

Ladybee, if your GP is helpful enough to offer another referral you should take him up on it. My GP referred me to Dr Shehata on the NHS. My appointment is in 2 weeks which is 12 weeks from when I was referred. If it turns out the appointment is too late for you, you can just cancel it but if you are lucky enough to get an appointment quickly it may be worth a shot.

lady it is such a rollercoaster. Even if you think you have a diagnosis and treatment, it doesn't guarantee a successful, pg. Could you try to go private to get a faster appointment with Dr. Shehata? I take it you haven't been tested for NK cells. Maybe if you only needed that test, it could be a quicker process. Which hospital are you at now?

I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. I called ST Marys yesterday and asked if they had my details to make the referral and they didn't. I left a message with the secretary at ESH and she said that they sent it off on Wednesday by second class post. I had a letter come through the door today confirming it. Maybe in a week's time, I might have a letter come back with a date on it to say when I will start treatment. Mentally, I need that date. I need to know when someone is going to look at me and try to help me.

There are going to be a lot more hurdles to jump, but in order to get through it, I can only look at the one that is coming up. I can't think about what happens if they do find something or don't find anything yet. I can't think about being pg again. It is too much.

Good news about lewis lunatic and good news about your scan digital it is one day at a time.

Hi ladies,

Had my second lot of HCG results in and all looks good. I have also had one scary bleed already. Wasnt expecting that to start so soon even though I have read a million times how AS causes bleeding in pregnancy. I can see that I might be spending quite a bit of cash on reassurance HCG checks in the near future.

LadyB I agree, very galling to have the same consultant. The positive part of your story though, is that you fought for what you needed and you got it. I know in an ideal world, the doctors would all be very talented and have our best interests at heart and make all the right decisions for us, but I've seen it isnt always like that. I think if you are able to be your own advocate, learn about all possible options and be pushy to get them, you are more likely to get the care you need - and you have proved that you can do that Re:testing, why not take everything that is on offer on the NHS and consider supplementing it with private extras if the appointments are too late? The HSG and blood tests are the big pricey ones, a good 3D ultrasound scan is probably the best one to do private (dont forget to ask for the CD copy of results) I thoroughly recommend Dr Lower in London for that, if you are interested in getting his details, let me know.

LAF so glad things are moving appointment-wise. Hope that the wait for dates isnt too agonising.

stillfrazzled and lunatic glad to hear things are OK with you two

digi brilliant scan news - how wonderful to see a healthy heartbeat! (I am just going to ignore the bit about the two days, I think all sonographers can make mistakes in their measurments!) xxx

STARTING TESTING

HAIRYLIGHTS
LAF77 , Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.
PANDA 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC
CLAIREDELOON Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.
NOTSOBARRENBROOK Age 35. 1st mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2009), 2nd mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2010), 3rd mmc @ 11 weeks, development stopped at 6 weeks 3 days (March 2010), 4th mmc @ 5 weeks (August 2010). Possible adenomyosis, awaiting hsg and results of testing from St Mary's.
MILKYWAY2007 Age 27 - DD age 3. 1st MC Oct
2009, 6 weeks. 2nd MMC March 2010, 11 weeks (baby passed away at 7 weeks). 3rd MC July 2010, 6 weeks. 4th MMC 24 Jan 2011, 9 weeks - no amniotic sac, baby measured 7weeks 4 days, no HB, had seen a healthy HB at 7 weeks. Blood clotting, hormone, genetic karyotype and shape and health of uterus checked and all clear - although high prolactin level found. Waiting for appointment at RMC with consultant, and wanting to be referred to St Mary's.
LUCKYFOR2 Age 32 - DD age 5. DD age 3. 1st MC May 2010 found at 12 week scan passed away at 9 weeks. 2nd MC September 2010 natural at 8 weeks. 3nd MC January 2011 at 16 weeks, saw hb at 13 but no hb at 15.5. Bloods taken from me and DH at hospital at last MC and awaiting results on baby from PM.
IGGI2011 - Age 40, 3 year old DS. 3 MC last year, at 6, 8 and 8 weeks. Last two had hb detected. Having bloods taken by obs soon.
CONFU3ED - Age 35 1st MC 1998 14 weeks. DD age 11. 2nd MC July 2009 5.5 weeks. ERPC Twice. No tests. 6 months Clomid 3rd MC January 2010. The foetus sent for testing - came back fine. Been referred to recurrent MC clinic at the hospital for tests, waiting for appointment. Was told I have PCOS through a scan but never diagnosed.

UNDERGOING TREATMENT

CRYSTAL5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid
LADYBEE 37, MC1 (5wks), DS (2), MC2 blighted ovum discovered @ 8 wk scan, MC3 natural @ 9 wks following hb seen at 7 1/2 wk. PCOS previously diagnosed, Factor V Leiden heterozygote discovered in recent testing. Treatment with aspirin (from BFP) + clexane started at 6 weeks. MC4 MMC @ 8.1 wks (discovered @ 11 wk scan) following hb seen at 6+6 wks. Consultant suggests aspirin + clexane to start at 4 weeks, plus progesterone pessaries. Management of MC tbc.

TTC

BANANA87 Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.

PREGNANT

MUMMYABROAD Age 35, 1DS (2.9), 1MMC Mar 2010 (@14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis and treatment Nov 2010, Started TTC Jan 2011 BFP on Cycle 2 EDD 4/11/11
GLITTERYBITS 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!
JUSTMEE Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day
LOVELYBUNCHOFCOCONUTS Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks - growth stopped at 7), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus.
DIGITALGIRL Age 32 - DS 2.4 - 3MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. Awaiting clotting & karyotyping results, under consultant care for rmc. Mild pcos.
LOVEMYSLEEP Age 39, 1 mmc, dd born(now 5), 2nd mc (9wks, 2days), 3rd mc (9wks, 3days) and 4th mc at 5 wks. All tests on NHS came back clear. Currently undergoing treatment with Dr.Shehata for very high natural killer cells - aspirin, progesterone, steroids, omezaprole and one intralipid infusion completed.

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!

LUNATIC dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, pg #5 section booked for 9th Feb @ 35wks. On 150mg aspirin daily.
STILLFRAZZLED Age 35, DS1 (3.6yo), 1 mc @ 5 weeks Jan 09, 2nd mc @ 9 weeks March 09, DS2 born @ 35+3 on 04/01/11 with Intra Uterine Growth Restriction but currently home and doing well.
MUMATRON Age 28 2 dc then 4mc, 3 @9weeks 1@5weeks, tests showed possible free protein s ishoo. dd2 born 06/01/2011, aspirin, claxane and high dose folic acid through pg.
JULEZBOO Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

mmm, well my private ERPC consultation is with Ruth Cochrane who is also a recurrrent miscarriage specialist so I might talk things through with her. The thing is, after having a bit of a look, it seems that even if I tested +ve for other factors the treatment my current consultant has suggested for future pgs, i.e. clexane, aspirin and progesterone is probably what would prescribed by everyone.
The only things I could find different to that were Prednislone - and whatever else Dr Shehata uses. So really, I suspect I would need to get referred to him if I was going to find out whether this is something I might need.
Lovemysleep I wondered whether there are any other indications that high NK cells are possibly the problem? Did you have any other pointers apart from other tests being normal?
I guess there is no harm in asking whether my insurance would cover it/him.

Hello again, internet still sporadic. cant face ringing virgin media for hours. such a rollercoaster of news. So sorry for lady, can feel the agony..I had some good news yesterday and have let my breath our for the first time since dec 29, had 12wk scan+bloods at the FMC, and saw my little one jumping somersaults, and tests all clear. I had such little hope after 4MCs..3 last year, one after the other. and Im an ancient 41! I was on 800mg pregesterone from 7 wks on, not sure if it helped, my other mcs were all between 6-8 wks..Keep the hope everyone, good luck to us all.

jugglingmama it's always good to hear stories of hope like yours. I will definitely be asking for a letter outlining the protocol (if he won't get me a prescription), so that when I leave the country at least I hopefully won't have to start over trying to convince someone to give me the treatment - and will ensure that includes progesterone.

Weekend has passed fairly quietly, I'm more convinced to find out whether insurance will cover further investigations.

Off to bed now, am distracting myself with a good book which is doing the job quite well.

jugglingmama

just read your post and noted that you are 41. So am I and it really cheered me up reading that. I saw a Consultant last week and was really p'd off as he was basically saying I was past it. I have one lovely DS but have had a lot of heartache before him and last year. How lovely for you to have a scan and see your little one in there safe and sound. I am so pleased for you

Echoing mattsmama's message. I'm 41 too and after 6 failed pregnancies so far I am feeling a bit hopeless. Reading posts like yours does inspire some hope.

lady how are you? Have you had an appt to discuss ERPC or natural management? Hope you are OK.

Talking of ages... just updating because I've had a birthday.

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HAIRYLIGHTS
LAF77 , Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.
PANDA 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC
CLAIREDELOON Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.
NOTSOBARRENBROOK Age 35. 1st mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2009), 2nd mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2010), 3rd mmc @ 11 weeks, development stopped at 6 weeks 3 days (March 2010), 4th mmc @ 5 weeks (August 2010). Possible adenomyosis, awaiting hsg and results of testing from St Mary's.
MILKYWAY2007 Age 27 - DD age 3. 1st MC Oct
2009, 6 weeks. 2nd MMC March 2010, 11 weeks (baby passed away at 7 weeks). 3rd MC July 2010, 6 weeks. 4th MMC 24 Jan 2011, 9 weeks - no amniotic sac, baby measured 7weeks 4 days, no HB, had seen a healthy HB at 7 weeks. Blood clotting, hormone, genetic karyotype and shape and health of uterus checked and all clear - although high prolactin level found. Waiting for appointment at RMC with consultant, and wanting to be referred to St Mary's.
LUCKYFOR2 Age 32 - DD age 5. DD age 3. 1st MC May 2010 found at 12 week scan passed away at 9 weeks. 2nd MC September 2010 natural at 8 weeks. 3nd MC January 2011 at 16 weeks, saw hb at 13 but no hb at 15.5. Bloods taken from me and DH at hospital at last MC and awaiting results on baby from PM.
IGGI2011 - Age 40, 3 year old DS. 3 MC last year, at 6, 8 and 8 weeks. Last two had hb detected. Having bloods taken by obs soon.
CONFU3ED - Age 35 1st MC 1998 14 weeks. DD age 11. 2nd MC July 2009 5.5 weeks. ERPC Twice. No tests. 6 months Clomid 3rd MC January 2010. The foetus sent for testing - came back fine. Been referred to recurrent MC clinic at the hospital for tests, waiting for appointment. Was told I have PCOS through a scan but never diagnosed.

UNDERGOING TREATMENT

CRYSTAL5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid
LADYBEE 37, MC1 (5wks), DS (2), MC2 blighted ovum discovered @ 8 wk scan, MC3 natural @ 9 wks following hb seen at 7 1/2 wk. PCOS previously diagnosed, Factor V Leiden heterozygote discovered in recent testing. Treatment with aspirin (from BFP) + clexane started at 6 weeks. MC4 MMC @ 8.1 wks (discovered @ 11 wk scan) following hb seen at 6+6 wks. Consultant suggests aspirin + clexane to start at 4 weeks, plus progesterone pessaries. Management of MC tbc.

TTC

BANANA87 Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.

PREGNANT

MUMMYABROAD Age 36, 1DS (2.9), 1MMC Mar 2010 (@14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis and treatment Nov 2010, Started TTC Jan 2011 BFP on Cycle 2 EDD 4/11/11
GLITTERYBITS 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!
JUSTMEE Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day
LOVELYBUNCHOFCOCONUTS Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks - growth stopped at 7), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus.
DIGITALGIRL Age 32 - DS 2.4 - 3MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. Awaiting clotting & karyotyping results, under consultant care for rmc. Mild pcos.
LOVEMYSLEEP Age 39, 1 mmc, dd born(now 5), 2nd mc (9wks, 2days), 3rd mc (9wks, 3days) and 4th mc at 5 wks. All tests on NHS came back clear. Currently undergoing treatment with Dr.Shehata for very high natural killer cells - aspirin, progesterone, steroids, omezaprole and one intralipid infusion completed.

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!

LUNATIC dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, pg #5 section booked for 9th Feb @ 35wks. On 150mg aspirin daily.
STILLFRAZZLED Age 35, DS1 (3.6yo), 1 mc @ 5 weeks Jan 09, 2nd mc @ 9 weeks March 09, DS2 born @ 35+3 on 04/01/11 with Intra Uterine Growth Restriction but currently home and doing well.
MUMATRON Age 28 2 dc then 4mc, 3 @9weeks 1@5weeks, tests showed possible free protein s ishoo. dd2 born 06/01/2011, aspirin, claxane and high dose folic acid through pg.
JULEZBOO Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

thanks all. mattsmama hang in there if you can..I didnt think I would make it, doctors can be v insensitive, that guy needs a slap. every scan Ive had Ive been asked if I had IVF to conceive, which I didnt. Everyones fertility rates are different, and having a child already, like we do, helps things I think. kittens hope you are doing ok, you must be very disheartened..people have asked me why 'i keep doing this to myself' after 4 mcs, but all i know is that the end result is worth all the pain, that's why..simple. Keeping my fingers crossed for you chica, have you had all the tests etc? Good luck to you and to lady, do insist on better care wherever you are going..x

Hi everyone. Sorry have been absent for so long. Struggling here with various things. HG is shit and had some spotting. First brown, then pink, now brown, so I'm panicking about that. I'm 9 weeks now and I'm really just wishing the weeks away.

Hope lady is ok. Hugs xx

mummy Glittery justmee LMS digi Hoping your pregnancies are going smoothly so far :)

New mummies, hope you and your new babies are well.

Everyone else testing and TTC, much love to you. I lurk but don't post as much. Hope you are all ok

Hi coconuts Have been wondering how you are. Do you mean your HCG is shit? If so, what levels did you get? How is the sickness? I have been spotting too, its terrifying as that is how the mmc was detected last time. I am at a much earlier stage than you (4w+4) but finding the anxiety so hard to manage. Much love xxxx

No I have HG, hyperemesis. Was hospitalised for dehydration, with ketones and billirubin in my urine. Been really poorly. Haven't been out of the house in nearly three weeks apart from to MW yesterday. MY HCG was good I think. 61000+ at 7+2. But slowly feeling better, my meds are working :)

I know what you mean. I thought the anxiety would lessen the further on I got but it seems to be getting worse as it is becoming more real. I am having terrible dreams about mc-ing, very vivid and graphic - I won't go into detail but I woke up crying the other morning as the dream was that bad.

I keep consoling myself with the fact that for the two mcs I have had I had no symptoms. Whereas with this I am iller than I could ever have imagined.

I keep imagining I can feel it moving then I have to tell myself it's just wind or something.

I just wish I was naive about it all and mcs were not real things that happen to real people.

Were your HCG levels ok? xxx

coconuts I can really relate to what you have written: "I just wish I was naive about it all and mcs were not real things that happen to real people". How many times do I wish I could handle a pregnancy the way I did with my DD - no worrying, no constant checking of underwear, no pressing my lower tummy trying to "feel" my uterus growing, actually not wanting to vomit, rather than pray I feel sick or nauseous. Sometimes I wish I could just get hypnotised and be oblivious to miscarriages again - maybe that would be less painful for me in the future.

I am meeting a pre-pregnancy counselling consultant in a few hours to discuss management of future pregnancies. I want to try again asap, but DH is insisting we wait until we get results from my last mc. Hopefully I will get some information and help today about what I could "try" with my next pregnancy.

Hope everyone is ok xx

milkyway ditto. To me, pregnancy does not automatically = a baby. I am convinced this will not come good for me. I can't let myself get attached. It doesn't help having maternity notes and paperwork everywhere, and vouchers for bounty packs. DH asked if I wanted him to go get the bounty pack and I refused. I can't possibly have a nappy, or a mini sudocrem pot in the flat just yet.

I just keep crying at the thought of my dreams and then I get cramps and rush to the loo to check. I have a thread in pregnancvy about my discharge. about that.

Do you think there is some sort of hypnotherapy that exists to erase all that anxiety?

If this doesn't work out I;m not sure if I want to try again :(

Hi coco and milky

coco I am glad your HCG is good. Sorry for being a bit thick about HG! I had it in my last pregnancy and was hospitalised once and then on meds, you have all my sympathy, its so draining and exhausting its no wonder you are feeling frazzled mentally too. I am with you on the "pregnancy doesnt always mean baby at the end" attitude. I am very reluctant to tell anyone about this pregnancy (it took me two days to tell DH!) for exactly that reason. I feel like I should look away in embarrassment if someone says "congratulations"
I had my HCG done twice last week and it was doubling nicely. However the reassurance has worn off and I am worried that because I did it so early, things could have changed and maybe I should do it again . I have already promised myself that if I bleed I will go get more bloods done.

I dont know about hypnotherapy, but I think you need something to get you through this. I am doing counselling and that helps, but I reckon it could equally be massage sessions or acupuncture or anything that relaxes you and helps lower the anxiety a bit.

milky good luck with your cons appointment, hope it goes well xx

mummy I think if I were in your position I would be having mine tested every week That in some ways makes me wish that the private healthcare was more accessible to me. I worry about the NHS and what will happen with it in the future for DD if she finds herself in my position. I have only told my best friend, my mum and brothers and DH's immediate family. And that was pushing it.

I too keep saying things are ok, I've already seen the hb, but that was two weeks ago, anything could have happened in there between then and now. I'm going to be a wreck Thursday. xx