Recurrent Buns - Miscarriage Testing and Beyond! Part three..!

[Julezboo]

Not so imaginative as lunatic !

Part One HERE

Part Two HERE

There are a mixture of Pg ladies, new BFP's (YAY) and new ladies who have sadly had to join us and are going through testing. Lots of OMW's and hand holding here!

Sit down, grab a cushion and a hot choc and get comfortable.

Good god, that list is epic!

glittery Good news that your clothes are all too small haha I remember going into maternity clothes really early with DD. I was definitely in them by my 12 week scan. I had a visible bump by 10 weeks ish. There really was no hiding it. Everyone kept saying it was because I was quite slim . Turns out I ended up giving birth to a small elephant not a child, at 9lb 5oz! I bet Tuesday can't come quick enough, hope you can stay relatively sane until then :)

lady sorry there is confusion over your dosage. justmee has been put on 20mg of clexane (not heparin) eventhough no clotting problems detected so maybe you can share stories :) Hope you manage with the injection okay. I'm not sure I could do that, I'm a little queasy thinking of it!

panda Glad you are coping okay and things are progressing although I have no knowledge or experience with the NK Cells testing process.

Claire I also have a bi-cornuate uterus - I will put it on the list :) No worries re. the book get in touch when you can :)

banana I mentioned in the thread before this about trying to move after Christmas. We are privately renting at the mo. Cannot afford or get a decent enough mortgage to consider buying. We are kind of stuck though. We have three options. 1) DH goes to Vegas and gambles our savings and comes back with £1 million. 2) We stay where we are and save like mad, I get a full time job and then apply for mortgage when DD at school (not a good idea while TTC) or 3) Stay renting.

I like number 1

We have resigned ourselves to the fact we will probably never own our own home, ever. Option 2 will take us about 6 years to save up enough to get a deposit and I can't live where we are for that much longer.

I am like you with the exhaustion. Constantly tired even if I sleep for hours and hours. I do not get migraines though so I can't be bothered to go to the doctors with it. Just another symptom of the PCOS.

penguin welcome and sorry you find yourself here. Good luck with TTC. Lots of hand-holding available here :)

LAF at your awful colleague. I don't think I would have been able to bite my tongue and I am struggling to understand what context that sentence would be acceptable

Lunatic Sorry you are having a crappy day today. Hope your DH manages to get home okay :)

justmee Hope tomorrow goes okay. Let me know if you want to chat. Hope the injection went okay today too. ladybee is also on clexane if you have any questions. It must be scary doing all this abroad. mummy is an expert in that.

I'll bugger off now, this message is toooo loong!!

THE LIST

STARTING TESTING

LAF77, Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.

Panda - 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC

ClairedeLoon - Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.

NotsoBarrenBrook

UNDERGOING TREATMENT

Crystal5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid

Banana87- Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, currently waiting one more cycle before TTC. Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.

TTC

MummyAbroad, Age 35, 1DS, 1MMC (14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis Nov 2010, currently TTC Cycle 1

Coconuts - Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus, currently TTC

Digitalgirl Age 32 - DS 2.4 - 3MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. Awaiting clotting & karyotyping results, under consultant care for rmc. Mild pcos. Currently TTC.

PREGNANT

Glitterybits - 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!

Lunatic - dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, currently 32+1

Justmee -

HairyFairyLight

HairyClairyFairy

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!

Julezboo - Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

Mumatron

StillFrazzled

hello

Do you mind if I join?

I am 37 (38 in 2 months) have had 2 mmc. First stopped developing at 5 weeks and had a natural mc 5 weeks later on 15 Sept 2009, second mmc identified at 8 weeks (had seen heartbeat at 6 weeks) and had ERPC on 15th Nov 2010.

Just been to see Raj Rai privately and have no clotting/genetic issues but AMH of 0.85. He said this is very low so although I may conceive I'm most likely to mc again. He said best option is egg donation. I only found this out today so not sure what to think and am trying to find out more info.

If anyone knows anything about AMH I'd love to hear it...

So is it ok if I sit quietly here at the back?

Hello yellowtomatoe

come in and welcome. These ladies are all very supportive and have a wealth of information between them. Hope you get as much out of the thread as I have.

I'm afraid I dont know anything about AMH, hopefully someone else on here will.

Very sorry for your losses xxx

STARTING TESTING

LAF77, Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.

Panda - 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC

ClairedeLoon - Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.

NotsoBarrenBrook

UNDERGOING TREATMENT

Crystal5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid

Banana87- Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, currently waiting one more cycle before TTC. Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.

TTC

MummyAbroad, Age 35, 1DS, 1MMC (14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis Nov 2010, currently TTC Cycle 1

Coconuts - Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus, currently TTC

Digitalgirl Age 32 - DS 2.4 - 3MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. Awaiting clotting & karyotyping results, under consultant care for rmc. Mild pcos. Currently TTC.

PREGNANT

Glitterybits - 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!

Lunatic - dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, currently 32+1

Justmee - Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day

HairyFairyLight

HairyClairyFairy

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!

Julezboo - Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

Mumatron

StillFrazzled

Hi yellow tomato I searched for AMH and this came up from Dr Google It says not to get hung up on cut-off numbers, but I'm sure Dr Raj Rai will be able to tell you what can be done.

Clare I have an appointment with my local hospital, but I have so little faith in them that I don't count that as a progress appointment. I am half expecting them to tell me that I should keep trying as "women now have early miscarriages instead of late periods" (EPU nurse on my first visit when I was worrying if I was miscarrying as the bleeding was getting heavier). I will fight tooth and nail to get to St Mary's before I let them do anything to me. A date for St Mary's would mean that something will actually happen in terms of investigation. Nothing has come through after my GP visit 2 weeks ago. I expect the process to take awhile to get an answer as I'm outside the catchment area.

My period is arriving on Day 21 after the bleeding stopped on 30th/31st December. I never had a 21 day cycle after either of my previous miscarriages. I expect things to be messed up for a few months. We are not going to allow any "accidents" until I have tests done. I would just be expecting a mc. I don't think my body would support a pg with such out of control hormones.

My colleague made such a hideous remark when he was referring to one of our executives and a decision that he was making and his desire to change it. No one knows about what has happened to me, so I wouldn't expect them to have a sensitivity towards me.

Anyway, I'm a bit drained, so I'll catch up with you all later.

Wow this moves fast!

Still pregnant (another positive test last night and no bleeding). Still feeling a bit sick. Scared shitless as period due tomorrow.

Thank you for the welcome!!

I am currently not having any tests as they seem to think it was a case of bad luck as I had my 2 dcs after a mc.

I was given the all clear following the 2nd mc and I conceived very quickly. Drs seem to think it was just bad luck that it happened. The Ep was very hard as I was in hospital for so long but I was drug treated and my tubes are ok which is good!! I had the drug methetrexate for the EP and the worst thing was the day I had the first dose, was 6 months to the day I had my mc. So, there I was in the same ward about to agree to an injection which would end my pregnancy. I think that was the hardest part knowing that the pregnancy was healthy, just in the wrong place. I must admit I still struggle with the guilt of making that decision.
But I am now looing forward, and I am looking forward to ttcing this month. Im currently on cd08.

Thanks for the welcome. I wasn't sure about posting today with all the press attention and stuff, it takes a while to build up trust. So thank you

its a me me me post, sorry...

Just had my ultrasound scan to check endometrial growth, I am two days past ovulation so I was hoping for a nice fat cushy lining (8-13mm is normal) but its only 6. Also it did not have a trilaminar pattern (when you see three stripes on the screen showing nice consistent thickness) which is the other thing we were looking for. Feel like the wind has been taken out of my sails now, and am very nervous about what Dr March will say about my HSG results. I think the very earliest they could arrive at his office is Monday, but more realistically later in the week. Feel really fed up that I am back to waiting and preparing myself for bad news, I thought I had moved past that stage!

anyway, just needed to get that off my chest.

xxxxxxxxxx

Mummy is there a chance after all your body has been through since September that it's going to take a wee while for your womb to recover? I imagine it must feel like a real kick in the teeth but try to stay positive. You've had fairly major surgery and a HSG in a relatively short space of time and it is getting thicker, so there's definitely an improvement. If I were you, I'd want instant gratification too, but your insides have gone through the mill a bit lately and probably need a bit of time to recover and heal. Can the specialists give you a definitive answer on this to stop you panicking? Don't lose faith just yet. Any marked improvement can only be a good thing. Perhaps, like after any hormonal/ surgical disruption, your womb may need to go through 2 or 3 normal cycles for the lining to thicken up naturally. I imagine this is similar to the recovery after an ERPC? Hugs in the meantime.

Waves to everyone and welcome to the newbies!

mummya It's still an improvement on what it was, hold onto that positive thought. You are getting closer. Would progesterone supplements help? ((((((hugs))))))

rainbowpenguin welcome to our little thread. Sorry for your losses. Hopefully you'll have better luck with your next pregnancy - it must have been awful making that decision during the ectopic, you should never have to be in that position again.

yellowtomato and welcome to you, sorry you've also found yourself here. Am afraid I also don't know about amh - all my hormone tests came back normal (despite me having pco). Is it an indication of ovarian reserve? Is egg donation something you will consider?

glittery glad you're hanging in there. Hope this weekend passes quickly and spotting-free

Jury's still out on my ovulation date (wish I could go for a scan like mummya), but we have been doing the deed daily since last Saturday so I'm hoping it's not long till I find out. Will also be chasing hospital for clotting results again.

Quick wave to everyone else, am on phone and ds is watching cbeebies so must get a move on.

Just spoke to consultant. Lupus, anti cardiolipin, anti rubella. All normal. She didn't go through the thrombophilia screening I had at UCH but said it was all fine. So that's good, as I had those done a lot sooner than they recommended so not even tainted by any leftover pg hormones.

Now am wondering whether to get my nk cells tested privately.

STARTING TESTING

LAF77, Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.

Panda - 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC

ClairedeLoon - Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.

NotsoBarrenBrook

UNDERGOING TREATMENT

Crystal5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid

Banana87- Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, currently waiting one more cycle before TTC. Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.

TTC

MummyAbroad, Age 35, 1DS, 1MMC (14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis Nov 2010, currently TTC Cycle 1

Coconuts - Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus, currently TTC

Digitalgirl Age 32 - DS 2.4 - 3MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. Awaiting clotting & karyotyping results, under consultant care for rmc. Mild pcos. Currently TTC.

PREGNANT

Glitterybits - 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!

Lunatic - dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, currently 32+1

Justmee - Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day

HairyFairyLight

HairyClairyFairy

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!

Julezboo - Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

Mumatron

StillFrazzled - Age 35, DS1 (3.6yo), 1 mc @ 5 weeks Jan 09, 2nd mc @ 9 weeks March 09, DS2 born @ 35+3 on 04/01/11 with Intra Uterine Growth Restriction and currently in Special Care Baby Unit.

V short message today, am feeling extremely knackered and discouraged - after a week of spending all day every day in the hospital with a view to getting feeding going, Finn is still falling asleep after a few mins on the breast and is putting on an average of 10g a day, and still losing some on some days.

Worried that breast milk is not good enough (he's already on fortifiers). Drs keep saying he just needs to fatten up before he goes home, but it doesn't seem to be happening so feel really frustrated and unhappy.

Sorry to be self-obsessed, will do better another day.

Mummy I second what glittery said about things taking a little while to get back to normal, you do sound like you've had a very rough few months, I was reading your Ashermans thread the other day.

digital good news that the results are reassuring - are there any other tests that you're now waiting for the results of?

frazzled sorry you're feeling down but the weight gains are promising and also if the weight gain is the only thing the doctors are bothered with then that is good? Has his breathing been fine?

Thanks guys, still feeling because thin lining is an indicator of scar tissue regrowing. I SO want to be one of the lucky ones who gets cured first time!!!! Cant bear to think about needing more surgery, its just sooooo expensive or worse being pregnant with remaining scar tissue[fear emoticon]

Thanks for pushing the positives though, it COULD be that my lining needs a bit more time, but its has had 6 weeks of high dose estrogen to help the growth along...

o whoops, finding it really hard to be positive today, will just try thinking about something else instead.

stillfrazzled If I had to predict at what stage a new mum with a baby in special care would start feeling all down and despondent, I would say after about a week. I think what you are doing is pretty amazing hope you get your second wind soon. xxxx

digi does NK testing cost and arm and a leg? Would it give you peace of mind? (and would that peace of mind be worth the money?)

LAF I think I would have burst into tears if I had heard your colleagues remark

Rainbox tomatoe feel free to add yourselves to our new list

hi all

just to let you girls know i went to docs today and after the 1 hour car journey and then 45 minute in the waiting room tears panik attacks got in the room coverd my eyes and doctor moved my hand and there was our little bean i was in so much shock i just cried again its one more step furture wonder how long now before the panik kicks back in :(

How are you girls doing

Quick one from me too. DH just ordered indian for my birthday tea.

Oliver has lost another 40g, hes gone from 7lbs 3 to 6lbs 2 in a week :( he is jaundice but not enough for treatment. We escaped hospital today but he will be weighed again on monday x

julezboo

sorry to hear whats happenıng you must be going though hell right now wanting to help is there anything they can do to boost his weight up? hes in the best place and im sure hell be a chubby little thing b4 u no it

all my best xxxx

Happy Birthday Julez

oo Happy birthday Julez :) xxx

claire I'm still awaiting karyotyping results for DH and I which is to flag up any balanced translocations or any other chromosome probs. I think it's highly unlikely. Not only are we both from a very wide gene pool, but we've also got DS who is perfectly healthy.
It's been 10 weeks since we did the test, but the results aren't in yet. Apparently it can take up to 4 months. So potentially another 6 more weeks to go then.

julez Happy Birthday! Sorry to hear about the weight loss. It took a couple of weeks for DS' jaundice to go...he never got it bad enough to need the sun lamp, but I do remember placing his moses basket by the window to try and get as much sun on him as I could.

mummya Oh sweets, try and give yourself a break. You've done so so much to get this far. Try not to think about the what ifs just yet and see how this cycle pans out. (sage advice that I must listen to myself)

justmee great news that they found the bean! Enjoy this moment.

frazzled your bm is perfect for Finn. Are you expressing at home to keep supply up? He's still only very very little, I'm sure once his weight's up he'll be demanding a feed every two hours and you'll be chained to the sofa for weeks on end.

hairyfairy yay for the +ve hpt!

LAF so sorry you're having to put up with unknowingly insensitive remarks at work. It must be v hard to feel as though you can share anything personal in such a male dominated environment.

lunatic Glad to hear DH is holding the fort. How are you being monitored there? Do you get daily scans/dopplers?

Right think I've caught up with everything I missed earlier. Have been v crampy for the past couple of days, so something is definitely happening. DS is nearly asleep and have a lovely weekend ahead to distract me from staring at my chart. Friends for lunch tomorrow, I have just made sweet pastry for the tartlets for dessert. Meat sauce for the lasagne is done. So tomorrow shouldn't be too much hard work. Brunch with other friends on Sunday, and Being Human starts on Sun evening!

Yellowtomato sorry you find yourself here but welcome nonetheless. I also don't know anything of AMH but hope you can get some info soon xx

LAF Hopefully your cycle lengthens and sorts itself out in a few months time. Hope you are ok xx

mummy sorry to hear that your lining isn't as thick as you would have like or expected. As others have said, your insides have been through the mill lately, with snipping and poking and polishing up, so it may take a few cycles to really notice an improvement. Are the doctors in London showing any concern about it?

hfl Yay for the second positive :)

glittery hope you're ok :)

digi How on earth do you manange every day?! Give me some tips Glad the results were all ok. How pricey is the NK Cells testing?

justmee so glad you saw your little bean :) what did they measure you at? Be kind to yourself and try not to panic too much xxx

julez happy birthday :) Sorry to hear about Oliver's weight loss and jaundice not improving. Thinking of you.

lunatic glad DH made it home on time last night. It must be hard being away from DD, not sure I could manage it so you're doing extremely well :)

Strange day for me here. I am so exhausted and snappy today. I seem to have lost all my patience with everyone and even ended up breaking down in tears on my next door neighbour. Nobody ever sees me cry Anything and everything is making me feel emotional. I wish my hormones were normal.

Have taken it upon myself to learn how to touch type, to give me something to do with my days. I am finding it increasingly more difficult being home on my own with DD all day everyday. Jobs are sparse in my area so need to give myself a focus, other than the obvious :)

hello all, hope you are all doing ok.

Lunatic ,Justme ,Digi and everyoone else

Julez sending good vibes to Oliver and you.

Well here I am on cd 29 cacking myself that AF will show up over night.

I feel distinctly sick and have done a lot, but I have no sore boobs at all (had very sore boobs from the start last time). Felt so sick this evening that when I was picking up a burger king for my sis on the way to her house, I considered getting myself one, but I didn't (depsite being starving hungry) as the thought made me want to puke.

I am getting twinges in my tummy - had those last time (stretching ligaments?) and keep trying to persuade myself it's not AF cramps (it's not exactly crampy, but my cramps don't usually come til just after AF arrives on the night of CD 29).

I also have that feeling I had when I had a cyst (corpus luteum) which would be a good sign.

I guess if I wake up tomorrow with no AF that's a good sign, but I am so, very, very scared she will come!

Stark reality is that I am never ever going to get to be a person who has a positive test and assumes the best :(

Morning. No AF. and positive POAS. Hurray. Next hurdle, keep AF away, make it to Weds and get a really high reading of HCG on the blood tests.