Recurrent Buns - Miscarriage Testing and Beyond! Part three..!

[Julezboo]

Not so imaginative as lunatic !

Part One HERE

Part Two HERE

There are a mixture of Pg ladies, new BFP's (YAY) and new ladies who have sadly had to join us and are going through testing. Lots of OMW's and hand holding here!

Sit down, grab a cushion and a hot choc and get comfortable.

julez oliver is such a cutie, well done you.

hairy congrats on your bfp, i will keep my fingers crossed for you on friday, hopefully the treatment will work for you.

lady i remember getting my bfp the last time and then not talking about with anyone in rl. tbh dp and i didn't even discuss it much. i just set myself a target date to get to. the first one was 9 weeks, then 11 weeks then 13 weeks. If i hadn't had this thread to post on i would have gone insane!

all ok here, apart from mil ishoo's. Baby is too cute for words and i still can't stop starting at her

Julez Oliver is so adorable!

aaaw Julez so cute!!!

Congrats on your BFP hairyclairy, and it's great that they've found those treatable causes. Are yoy going to put on heparin/clexane?

DH finally managed to get through to someone with more than five seconds to speak to him about his results:
Semen vol - 1ml, within the normal range of 1-4ml.
Sperm vol - 16million, a bit below the norm of 20m.
Motility - 50% which is normal.
Morphology - 98% abnormal, considered within the normal range of 90-98%.
'These details are unlikely to have an effect on the likelihood of miscarriage', and they DON?T thinks its necessary for him to do a second test.

So a quiet 'yay' for that. Now we just need my results.

Hi all,

Just thought I'd post an update. Started to bleed yesterday at 5pm and lost about two thimblefuls of red blood. Bleeding stopped overnight and just started again now. Spoke to EPU this morning and the MW and I think it will happen in the next 48hrs. Thank God DH is home until Weds - he is a paramedic so am in good hands. Last time he just about managed to convince me that I was not in fact going to die of blood loss and that it looked a lot more than it actually was .

So I've managed to lay my hands on some Codeine Phosphate, I've got a bumper pack of Always night time with wings and I'm ready as I'll ever be .

Whilst I'm waiting I'm obsessing about statistics - basically probablility of it happenning again, possible causes and possible tests I could have. The internet is a double-edged sword...

Also - this should make you all smile here. I had to tell my well-meaning and actually quite lovely boss what had happened and that i was going to "work" from home today. His response was hilarious - bless the man but has absolutely no clue how to deal with this. He proceeded to say how sorry he was and then tried to help by asking/suggesting the following:
""At least you have Erin (DD) my heart goes out to those people who don't have any children at all" Well mine does too but it doesn't stop me from feeling shite and like an utter failure.
"Well at least you can have another" We don't know that, in fact no one does so that's not actually helpful in this situation of total uncertainty!
"Why do you think it happened - is it down to old age!!!!!!!!!!" I'm thirty-fu&*ing five for God's sake. There was a 40 year-old woman in our team who gave birth to her first child in July last year. I actually burst out laughing and had to do a double take. I know I'm not at the optimum age for pro-creation but who is these days? And as many of you have wonderfully pointed out 35 is not actually that old in reproductive terms. God help his wife and two daughters - its a bloody good job that both his DDs are doctors so hopefully they'll be able to put him straight!

Hi panda I hope that you are OK. It is awful waiting for it to happen. I remember it all too well going to buy the Always bumper pack.

I'm sad that the NHS doesn't allow your three mcs to count as recurrent mc. My philosophy on my third pregnancy, was oh well, if this doesn't turn out, at least I will be eligible for investigations.

Your boss sounds pretty clueless, trying to say something to make you feel better, but clearly failing. I haven't said a word to my boss about any of my mcs as I'm too afraid of admitting to want to start a family and being sidelined although I feel on the sidelines mentally.

Take care....x

Hi,

I haven't had a chance to read every post here but I will try and read back and get a grasp.

About me, I have a DS who's almost 4, conceived in a year, apparently OH has rubbish sperm but we managed, not temping or charting in those days. (The innocence hey?).

Since DS I have had 6 m/c at 5-6 weeks. Lots of tests, all clear. I am Hypo-Thyroid with antibodies (hashimotos) but well medicated.

I think I have got a BFP today?? I OV 8 days ago so its very early and very faint!!
I really want to try everything to make this one stick and not get a BFN when I test tomorrow...which usually happens a day or so after BFP. (hmm)
I have been taking low dose aspirin for a few weeks and more Folic Acid than before.
Any advice greatly received thank you.
Has anyone been advised to take Aspirin after all clear tests or anything?

Much love xx

Meant to say DR hasn't even mentioned Aspirin. This is my own research...

Hi all,

julez hoooge congratulations and a big welcome to baby Oliver! Another cutie pie. Hope you're all doing ok and the after pains ease off. Well done you xxx

glittery and bee hope you and the beans are doing ok.

So, i've discovered adenomyosis is essentially endometriosis but in the muscles in the wall of the womb. Apparently it can form in scar tissue from previous erpcs etc. Brilliant. The only way it can be truly diagnosed is to have hysterectomy and examine womb I guess I just have to sit tight and see what the hsg shows when St Mary's can fit me in. I'm trying not to let despondency slip in!

Hope everyone else is doing ok sorry for quick selfish post, work insanely busy

Oh my gosh, Julez Oliver is GORGEOUS!

Panda big hug to you.

Erm, girls, I've got something to tell you....

I just POAS and guess what? I am actually pregnant again .

I pee'd on a stick Friday and it was negative, but actually it was way, way to early to test at cd 22 (and approx 7 days post ov).

I have had a general feeling of sickness over the last week or so. and then today, I grew a mouth ulcer. the only time I've ever had them is when I've been pregnant.

So I poas thinking 'it'll come out negative, and I will be seeing consultant tomorrow and that'll be ok'.

But it has got two lines . I went up to my oh (who is in bed with a cold) and said 'erm, oh, please could you check that I'm not seeing things' I am totally over teh moon as I have now conceived, aged 42, thrice in 10 months.

for my sanity, I have to keep calm and carry on in a 'nothing' to see here. But at least I am still popping eggs out - I just hope it's a perfect one this time!!!

do you think I should take an aspirin? maybe I'll wait to see the consultant tomorrow.

OH MY HECKING GOD!!!!!!

Hairyfairy That's fantastic news!! Congratulations!!! I would take 75mg of aspirin if I were you. It doesn't hurt (from what my consultant said), but then I have seen threads here that indicate otherwise. Fingers firmly crossed for a sticky bean for you this time!!

Panda Huge higgies. I really hope the worst is over. I remember when I miscarried the first time. I was a nanny and my boss said that "maybe if you hadn't worried so much it wouldn't have happened", and "I have had several miscarriages much further on than you were and it's much worse.". I quit less than a week later :) Stupid cow. Although karma has a function, and she later lost her job and got breast cancer. Not that I would wish that on anyone, but she got what she deserved, she treated me (and all her "staff") like the scum of the earth. Anyhoo....

Julez LOVE the name Oliver! He is sooo cute! And yay for being home!!!

Barrenbrook So they can't definately say if you have adenymosis or not? Then why didn't they just say nothing at all? Don't they know we crazy concerned women ask Dr. Google everything? I really hope you get some definitive answers soon.

Lunatic I can not believe the gall of some of your midwives. Do they not read your notes before opening their mouth? Yes, send in a psychologist...for them!

Crystal5 Welcome. And tenative congratulations. I am not an expert at all in this as I am relatively new, but after 2 consecutive mc's I have been told to take aspirin next time from BFP.

Digi Great news about the sperm! Hopefully your tests will be all clear as well and you can get SWI'ing.

Glittery Been thinking of you, are you ok?

Waves to Ladybee, Coconuts, Mummy and anyone else I missed!

Hairy wow! Congrats, thats the best news ever!

Hairy and Crystal If you want my two pennies worth (and that is all they are worth, because I am not a medical expert!) I'd say take the aspirin too. Based on: this

Julez your baby is luuuuuurrrrverrrrly.

Panda hope you are doing OK. Its a shame you should have to worry about your boss's ignorance at a time like this. Perhaps when you are feeling much better you should leave him a copy of this leaflet from the miscarriage association. Miscarriage and the workplace

coconuts squidgey like your lips and open would mean ov time! The first time I checked mine it was hard, then a few days later I couldnt find it! so I knew it had risen. I think its easier to notice the rise when its been lower first IUSWIM.

hairyclairy Hello and congratulations Hope this one is very sticky and that the doctors treat you well.

banana how are things with you? Are you in the US still?

notbarren It sounds like there is a bit of cross over between AS and adenomyosis. I was also diagnosed/treated via hysteroscopy (not hystorectomy!!! Do be careful what you sign! ) Is your hyst going to be diagnosis only or treated at the same time? If you would like a list of great questions to take with you I have some fab ones all about what to do to prevent more scar tissue forming/damage to basal layer. Unfortunately, this is quite a common occurance IF the correct protocols are not followed. Did you get any good info from the yahoo group? The one I joined for AS has been fantastic. They have a ten year history of reviews of doctors and treatments - the best NHS doctor doing hysts is Dr Anthony Trew who works out of hammersmith. He is on the AS specialists "A list" DONT agree to have any surgery without thoroughly grilling the person doing it first. This kind of surgery must be done by someone who does this all the time, is good at it and has results to prove it (high numbers of women treated by them who go on to have successful pregnancies) PM me any time if you want more info.

digi glad you got a clear "dont worry" message. Its awful having results that you dont know how to act on. Good luck with the rest.

lunatic ask the counsellor if she can recommend some coping strategies for dealing with annoying ignorant midwives!

LadyB and Glittery and Justme hope you three lovely pregnant ladies are OK, that you have just enough nausea to be reassuring but not enough to keep you chained to the toilet and away from MN for so long

I have finally received a reply from my doctor in London who says "go ahead and TTC" and at the same time go an email from the American one who says "Dont TTC until I have checked all your results" BUT The deed is done now. I am SWIing with abandon and actually looking forward to the 2WW (yeah, I know I will eat those words later )

Sorry just read BB's post again. Was hysterectomy a typo for hysteroscopy or were you being serious???!!!

If they really did say hysterectomy - DONT LISTEN!! I was told that AS was untreatable and I would be infertile. All that means is that the person saying it doesnt know enough about your condition to be able to cure you Get yourself in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing and you will be fine. Promise. xxx

By the way. A LOT of women with AS get told this BS all the time (and then go on to have lots of babies)

Quick post to congratulate hairyfairy!!!

Going to make dinner now.

That's blooming good advice, MummyAbroad

Thanks all of you :) and LOL@ Lunatic two pregnant Hairys!

How the heck I have now managed three pregnancies in nine months I don't know! (after the 26 odd years of not getting preggers!)

Let's just keep fingers crossed I popped an egg, which DP's excellent sperm fertilised and will now be housed until it pops out a happy, healthy, long lived human :)

So... all my worrying that I would have to beg the Obstetrician tomorrow to help me even get pregnant, will now turn into me begging her to consider what they can do to keep me pregnant!

(slyly eyes the box of aspirin)

well, I think I can safely say I popped an egg. What I mean was a perfect egg!

From one pregnant hairy to another - congratulations :)

Wow! HairyFairyLights and HairyClairy congratulations both!

Denial is definitely the way to go. I've barely mentioned it to DH beyond the few times it's been completely necessary. I actually only tested once - can't bear to see a line that might be lighter. Just go through the steps I need to and that's it.

mumatron phew - and there was I thinking I sounded like I knew what I was talking about

Comgratulations other pregnant hairy

Slight worry. I poas this morning at half four and line is a but fainter. Is this bad?

Congrats to both hairys

MA & banana sorry if I've confused you! I've not been very good at being clear! I had an internal scan at my first appt at St Marys, which initially the sonographer said looked like fibroids which is why I have to go for an hsg which should be in Feb sometime, however I think the pictures taken are reviewed by consultants etc at a weekly meeting and they've now decided it looks like adenomyosis. I only found this out as I was cc'd into a letter sent to my consultant outlining they had seen me, discussed my history and detailing tests they are carrying out. At the end of this it says about the internal scan showing what my womb looks like and apparently it suggests adenomyosis. I then foolishly looked up on Dr Google what it was and got back that in order for it to be properly diagnosed or treated a hysterectomy was recommended! Ha! Obviously this is in extreme cases so I'm hoping St Marys can work their magic and solve all my problems. Sorry for the blah blah blah!

Latest MC update. Bleeding has totally stopped now so I've rang the EPU and I'm going to take the first of the pills today - hope it kick starts things so I don't have to go into hospital later this week. Now I'm going to stop being self absorbed and do some supporting of my own.

Coconuts and HairyF - thank you for helping me realise that whilst age is a factor, MC can affect any woman at any age so I'm going to stop obsessing that my ovaries are wizened and all my eggs are defective, despite my Boss' misguided beliefs.

And HairyF 3 PG in 9m is awesome and gives me hope . Did you do one of those dip stick tests off the internet? If so, in my experience they don't keep well and can be less than consistent. The last time I poas in December, according to the dip stick I wasn't even pg but when I did the digital with conception indicator it came up positive and was correct for my dates. Even when I was PG with DD I kept doing them and sometimes lines were feint and other times stronger and all turned out well.

Crystal welcome and I'm keeping everything x'd for you. My consultant advised me take Aspirin for this most recent PG that has sadly ended in MMC. I have had no tests to confirm anything yet but he did say that it may help as a precautionary measure and can do no harm to the pg. However, I was advised that if I started to bleed it is important to stop taking it straight away. The MW checked this morning if I was still taking it as I would not have been allowed to take the Mifepristone until it was out of my system - thankfully I stopped last Thursday when scan confirmed MMC. I would certainly check with your doctor first before starting on it as there may be consequences and contra-indications with other meds that you may be taking. Hope that helps.

Banana your previous boss makes mine sound positively warm and fluffy! What a b&*ch - glad you don't have to put up with that crap now.

Laf I'm so sorry that you have had to go through the MCs without being able to tell people at work for fear of being discriminated against for wanting to start a family. In this day and age it is disgusting that your company makes you feel that way. Let's hope the new shared parental leave that is being brought in will go a long way to combating it.

Mummy, Lunatic, Glittery and everyone else I've missed big hugs xxx

hairyF just seen your news - congratulations. Stay away from the sticks x