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Recurrent Buns - Miscarriage Testing and Beyond! Part three..!

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Julezboo · 23/11/2010 12:52

Not so imaginative as lunatic !

Part One HERE

Part Two HERE

There are a mixture of Pg ladies, new BFP's (YAY) and new ladies who have sadly had to join us and are going through testing. Lots of OMW's and hand holding here!

Sit down, grab a cushion and a hot choc and get comfortable.

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Julezboo · 11/01/2011 19:34

Just seen an update on lunatics FB, she is being kept in for the duration but everything is okay :)

my aim is to get through another 3 weeks then I will be full term. Meeting with cons on Tues as well as last growth scan Shock How did I get to the end already!

Will catch up properly tomorrow x

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ClaireDeLoon · 11/01/2011 19:39

Congratulations justmee and everything crossed that you have a healthy pregnancy.

Coconuts sorry you have an ill DH, hope your DD doesn't catch it. With the logistics of your blood test can you not make it later in the week? Sorry if I've missed you saying if other commitments etc.

Lunatic hope you're ok. Thinking of you.

Also thinking of frazzled and mumatron and hoping their newborns are ok.

Digitalgirl how long does the whole testing process take? Have already had some clotting type testing at local hospital and genetic testing was done for us both at the same time and I know the consultant sent the results to the Royal Free. And we already knew I have a bicornate uterus, found out between mc's 2&3.

Mummy well done for organising all that! Pain they're in so many different places though. Hope DH and DS get better soon, have they had flu too?

LAF hope you can get the referral direct from your GP or at least an earlier consultants appt for a referral. My local hospital dragged their feet terribly with appt's after mc 3, it's very frustrating and unhelpful.

Glittery how are you doing today? Heard from your mum?

Hairy I thInk your fb post was brave too, would love to do something similar but too scared to open myself to more prying (and I do have a very nosey gossipy person or two on my fb).

MummyAbroad · 11/01/2011 20:14

Me again.

coconuts Interesting thread about where to get swine flu jab for under 5's

lunatic if you are reading this comfortably from a hospital bed then Yay!! Hope all is well xxx

Julez wow, you really are at the end ! thats fantastic that you have come all this way. Smile

Glitterybits · 11/01/2011 20:15

I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that I'm slightly less mental than I was last night. Still very annoyed with my mother, but have decided to just steer clear for a bit until I calm down and keep my feelings well and truly bottled up whenever I see her. I know that doesn't exactly sound healthy, but it's probably my best option right now. At least she's given me something else to mull over other than constant worry.

Lunatic Aaaagh at the bleed and pain. I hope you managed to get in today, if only for your peace of mind. I couldn't help but query how flu patients were more important than you?! I know there have been many serious outbreaks lately, but there are two of you to worry about! I HATE, HATE, HATE the lack of urgency and concern.

It was horrifying to read your comment on negligence. Nobody should have to prepare themselves for such a hideous prospect and it made me howl at the thought of it. Obviously, you shouldn't have to remind them about how much of a close call it was for you last time, but subtlety clearly doesn't feature in their world and neither does the existence of communication on any level by the sound of things. I'd be tempted to put them on the spot by asking them exactly what they intend to do to reassure you of the safety of you and your lo. It's their job for God's sake and if their solution isn't to let you stay in hospital for as long as you damn well want, then I'd be tempted to chain myself to a bed until it is!

I wouldn't be remotely concerned about coming across as traumatised or a madwoman. It would seem that society and the media has already decided you are one anyway - as indeed are all women who've suffered any kind of loss, apparently. Might as well get the help we deserve off the back of it. Mind you, I wonder how many people actually read your notes and pay attention anyway, given the level of care (or lack of it) you've received recently.

Hmm, that turned into a bit of a rant. Over emotional and hormonal? Me? Anyway, I'm thinking of you and sending huge hugs and hoping you'll update us when you can. xx

Mummy You really do a job properly (and incredibly quickly) when you set your mind to it, don't you? I'm exhausted just reading the post. How are you feeling about it all? On top of the crazy hormones and manic schedule, it's a wonder you'd have any time left for worry. I hope you are okay though.

justmee At last! Excellent news! If you're anything like me, it may take some time to sink in!

digi a quiet woohoo and thumbs up at the rising temps. Fingers and toes crossed for you. I am all too familiar with the emotional rollercoaster ride of peaking and troughing temps, so let's hope it's your turn for some good luck and I hope things behave as they should this month.

coconuts Good news on the definitive diagnosis and treatment plan. I hope everyone in your house feels better soon. I'm not sure if you're able to get a flu jab right now unless you fall into one of the high risk categories, as a lot of surgeries are running low on stocks. Having said that, I haven't received anything to suggest I get a swine flu jab. I really should ring and book one. It's probably a bit futile getting a preventative jab when you're already ill tbh.

Lovely news about being the Chief Bridesmaid for your best friend next year. The first thing I thought when I read that was, I bet she has a bump by then! The Law of Sod; just like lighting a fag at a bus stop to make the bus come along! Grin

Claire A warm welcome back, though I obviously wish you didn't have to return.

Julez I hope you're giving birth as I write, if you haven't already done so! Grin It would be good if bubba would hang on a little longer, but I imagine you've already had more than enough. Yes, I'm nearly 11 weeks now. Thankfully, the last couple of weeks seem to have gone by a bit quicker. I do have sore boobs, but they are not as bad as they were and the sickness is much less debilitating, but it keeps coming back with a vengeance. Scan is two weeks today. Feels like a lifetime away.

Lady I know just what you mean about shaking as a result of stressful phonecalls of this nature. Another thing that men don't have to endure. Fingers crossed that it goes well with the consultant tomorrow. Hope you aren't too anxious.

hairy You deserve a gold medal the size of a dustbin lid for having the courage to post that message on facebook. I'm glad you've got a positive response. Just another step towards making this a less taboo subject. I salute you. I'd never have the guts.

frazzled Thinking about you all the time. I hope Finn continues to get stronger every day.

Waves to LAF, lulu and anyone else I may have missed.

I realise I still have my Christmas name, but I'm reluctant to change it back to anything negative and even more reluctant to risk a positive change until my scan. So, I'm going for flippant in the meantime. Grin

Glitterybits · 11/01/2011 20:17

Ooh Xposts all over the place. This thread is busy! Julez thanks for the update re Lunatic. I'm very pleased to hear that and I wouldn't normally say that about hospitals! Grin

mumatron · 11/01/2011 20:35

right i finally have about 5 minutes to myself so time for a quick post.

digital when i went for my first recurrent miscarriage consultation on the nhs, dp was sent for a sperm analaysis just in case. he has low count, volume and only 1% normal forms. we were both really confused, we had gotten pg 4 times by that point. a second test a few months later showed a very slight improvement, 3% normal forms. he took fertilaid vitamins with pycnogenal and he started on peruvian macca before the 2nd test but really, who knows if it all helped?. the consultant and the urologist (?) both agreed that poor sperm morphology can effect miscarriage if a deformed sperm fertilises the egg.

now, when i paid to see a different cons privately he disagreed.

basically the idea is that your dp's sperm is deformed and carries dodgy info, when that fertilises your egg it should not implant, but it does. this theory would also indicate that you have a 'non-fussy uterus'. That basically means your womb holds onto an embryo that it should expel due to defects etc.

there have been threads on it on here before and there was an article published but i cant remember where, sorry.

anyway, i was told that there was a less than 1% chance of staying pg. a few weeks after i was pg for the 5th time and eliza is the result of that.

our consultant was trying to pursuade us that ivf with icsi was our best option and we would of tried it if needed.
sorry if thats all a bit rambled but my head is like mush atm!

mumatron · 11/01/2011 20:50

julez hope you are well and that ds is behaving, can you please tell lf i am thinking of her if she pops up on fb.

hi every one else! wont do personals for now as i want to get this birth story written before i start to block it out!

well, i had my 2nd sweep about 2.30 ish on tues 5th, bit of niggling back pain and bloody show etc. nothing like pain i had after the first one. stayed that way until about 9 pm. regular pains but not much worse than i had been having for previous 3 weeks.

by 10.30 i knew i needed to get checked as i lost a big clot and pains were intense, even though very short 20-30 seconds 6 minutes aprt.

called hospital at 11.30 and told to go in. by the time i sorted myself out it was gone 12. examined at 12.30 and was 5 cm.

pains were still intense but short, was allowed gas and air and the pool as i has a quick labour last time and was already feeling loads of pressure.

stayed in the pool and my waters went at 3.30am

i could feel the baby move right down and felt the urge to push, as her head was born i reached down and managed to deliver her myself at 3.39am. cord was around her neck, although not too tightly, and i wouldn't let the mw touch her. i wanted to do it all myself! Grin

i loved it, it was alot of hard work but dp was an absolute legend and i could not have done it without him.

Baby is doing so well, feeding is a bit hit and miss and i am soooo tired but it is worth it. i will try and get another picture on in the next few days.

MummyAbroad · 11/01/2011 21:19

Hurrah Mumatron! Your story is wonderful!!!!

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stillfrazzled · 11/01/2011 21:29

Hi all - can't believe how busy this thread is!

Going to keep this short, with congratulations to justmee, a hearty pat on the back for mumatron re birth story (you are hard core, I am so impressed!), thoughts to julez and lunatic, offers to join the mutual strangulation seshes for glittery and hairyfairy and, hell, anyone else who's got someone difficult they'd like to be dealt with (BTW hairy your status update was farking brilliant. Says absolutely everything, so eloquent and moving). And waves to everyone else.

Finn has has his antibiotics stopped and his canula (sp?) removed, which means he's now receiving nutrition and monitoring, but no medication. He put on 95g (!) last night, although am fairly sure this afternoon's massive poo will have done away with a lot of that.

He is starting to genuinely respond to us, I'm convinced - quietens down when we put hands on him, watches us for a bit then falls blissfully asleep when we do kangaroo care. It's lovely, but then we feel super guilty when we leave him (got to hosp at 10 today, left at 5 to get DS1, now beating ourselves up about how long it is until 10 tomorrow morning. ANy tips on how to achieve balance or feel better about not achieving it?).

BTW julez thanks so much for the encouraging words. He can be any size he likes as long as he's as bright and sparky as your boy!

banana87 · 11/01/2011 21:36

Wonderful story mumatron!! I would love to give birth again. You are brilliant!!

Lunatic great to hear you got a bed and there are finally taking you seriously!

Glittery Glad you are feeling better. Hope your mum doesn't say anything more and realizes that shes upset you (and maybe even apologizes?).

Justmee Yay! Congratulations on your BFP!! Woohoo!! Hope its a happy healthy 9 months!

Mummyabroad You are superwoman!

hairyfairylights · 11/01/2011 22:15

congratulations justmee! Fab news!

Thinking of you Lunatic

and wave to everyone.

no news, except I am booked in to have day 21 test with gp on Thursday :)

and I am desperately trying to ignore feeling sick in the mornings and around mealtimes, as I am only actually six days post ov. Grin [rolleyes]

hairyfairylights · 11/01/2011 22:17

special wave to Mumatron Smile

and just wanted to say to you all thanks for your feedback on my facebook post.

I don't think it was brave. It was actually incredibly liberating, to be able to say 'this is what I want' and 'this is how I feel'.

I feel distinctly lighter for it.

Ladybee · 11/01/2011 23:06

Hi all, tired, anxious and bit sicky feeling so heading to bed, just wanted to say congratulations to justmee, thinking of you with everything crossed lunatic and what a wonderful birth mumatron well done you!

ClaireDeLoon · 11/01/2011 23:24

mumatron you delivered your own baby, how fantastic are you? That's an incredible story.

Frazzled so pleased to hear great news that Finn is doing well. I hope time passes quickly until you can see him tomorrow, preferably because you're having a good long sleep.

Thinking of lunatic.

Glitterybits · 12/01/2011 11:12

mumatron What an amazing birth story. Wonderful news. Good to know that you got such a lovely outcome after everything you've been through...and Eliza looks absolutely beautiful. I hope she's being good for her Mummy.

frazzled A big woohoo at how positive everything sounds. Finn sounds to be doing so well and I'm so pleased he's responding to you now. I imagine the hard part is the juggling you're having to do, but it won't be for long now. I don't think you can alter the way you feel about being everywhere for everyone. My only advice would be to accept that you can only do your best and you're already doing that. I bet you're knackered! Really, really pleased to hear about the feeding, weight gain and the lack of medication. Hopefully, he'll be home with you before you know it.

Lady and Lunatic Just a little note to let you both know I'm thinking of you today. Hope you're both okay.

banana I bet my Mum genuinely has no idea how much she's upset me. I very much doubt she'd have a clue what I was talking about if I attempted to explain it. I'm better off steering clear. Just wish I didn't feel so disappointed. There are few enough people to talk to in RL as it is and no one who can empathise. I just thought I could count on sympathy from a person who should know me better. She's always harping on about how her children's upset is the worst thing in the world and I've confided in her about my feelings an awful lot this year. I suppose I imagined she'd be slightly more constructive and understanding, but I'll get over it. I have you ladies, after all! How are you doing?

Waves to everyone else!

digitalgirl · 12/01/2011 11:39

mumatron what a wonderful birth story! Pushing for 5 minutes eh? That sounds like a dream labour (DS took 2.5 hours of extreme pushing - felt like I'd run a marathon up a mountain afterwards).
Thank you very much for your sperm count story (!). I'm doubtful that I have an unfussy womb. When TTC post mc-2, we timed swi perfectly for four cycles but only got a bfp on the 4th egg. We haven't been told exact percentages either - so am going to put it out of my mind till we get something concrete to work from. Did you change your swi frequency the cycle you got pg?

frazzled hooray for Finn!!!

claire our karyotyping tests were sent to Gt Ormond St and we were told it would take 10 weeks to get results. I had some basic clotting tests done at my hospital and was told results would take 2 weeks. I also had a full thrombophilia screening at UCH, which they said would only take a few days to process but haven't had the results on those either. DH's SA didn't take long, but they took an age to get back to him with the results, probably because it came back abnormal so needed to wait for a consultant to call back.

lunatic hope you're nicely settled into a bed and being watched like a hawk by your consultant.

julez glad to hear full-term is looking likely.

ladyb good luck with appt today.

Waves to all.

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mumatron · 12/01/2011 13:30

lf really glad to hear you are being looked after.

Julezboo · 12/01/2011 14:09

lf it sounds like you are getting just what you needed.

Im after a bit of advice ladies...

I woke up this morning with lower tummy pain, still getting tightenings on and off, TMI but I have been to the loo twice today already which usually eases the tummy pains. It's all around my scar area which is why im a bit worried.

I am just going to get boys from school but im wondering whether i should ring the wardto be checked?

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MummyAbroad · 12/01/2011 14:30

Just realised that I was getting my cycle days mixed up with the dates on FF and I will only be CD10 when I have my HSG! Feel enormously relieved that I am doing it within the "normal" range. Phew!! Off for a scan today to see if my lining has improved from 3mm since surgery.

Lunatic so glad you are in hospital! oh, that sounds weird Confused

frazzled 95g Shock go Finn! sorry I dont have any advice about how to manange the balence, I have never experienced anything like what you are going through. Sounds like you are doing a terrific job already though, you are a great mum. xxx

Julez always ring, always get checked. I dont want to freak you out but isnt lots of toilet trips one of the signs that labour is approaching? Hope you are feeling OK. Do get checked, if nothing else it will give you peace of mind.

LadyB hope you are OK. Being tired never helps things mood wise. Can you plan something restful and nice to do as a treat to yourself? xxx

banana [grin} at superwoman. Maybe if I could read a calendar properly GrinGrin

sorry girls, half a catch up as always, gotta run because I can hear DH running his own bath - eeeeeek! xxxxx

ClaireDeLoon · 12/01/2011 15:33

Lunatic sounds like they're treating you really well, and a nice enough little space for a hospital.

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ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts · 12/01/2011 17:25

Oh ladies I'm so confused. Had my bloods today. All done ok. Apparently they were fasting ones and I didn't know Hmm bloomin' good job I was mega late up and had not time to eat or drink anything else I'd have messed it all up.

Been in agony all day today, feels much stronger than potential period pains. I POAS and did an OPK when I got back today. BFN but a definite positive OPK. Confused Now I'm inclined to think I might be ovulating now and wasn't before when I thought I was. Perhaps I'm just getting surges and the OPKs are a complete waste of time and effort. But got loads of discharge (TMI sorry!) and the pains so maybe it's happening now? If it is then obviously it will show up on my blood tests.

I have my next appointment on 16th February. So not long to wait.

julez regular trips to the toilet is a definite sign things are starting. It is your body's way of having a clear out so you don't embarrass yourself too much during the birth.Grin It's always worth getting checked if you are concerned so hope you have called.

mumatron your birth story is amazing. It must have been a fabulous experience to deliver her yourself. If I ever do have a next time I would love to try to have a more personal, calmer, drug free labour.

mummy How was the scan? Thanks for that link I'll have a read of it later :)

glittery I had a brilliant conversation with my mu today Hmm We were in the waiting room in the path lab and she looked at my blood form and was taking an interest in the hormones that were being tested and how they are specific to PCOS. Lovely to think she was taking an interest until she said "so why are they testing the testosterone? are you going to turn into a man?!" Insensitive and offensive. An she knows loads about it as I've sent her links to information.

It's funny you should mention Sod's Law. My friend said it herself! She is getting married August 2012... I can't wait that long! I always think about going for an appointment re not getting pg and being pg. It's happened before with my laparoscopy!

And definitely keep your name Grin

lunatic glad you are being looked after. Hope your dongle serves you well Grin

Claire I had my gynae appointment last Wednesday and he told me to have my tests today unless AF comes in the meantime so leaving it til later in the week possibly would be the wrong thing to do.

frazzled great news on Finn's progress. He'll be home before you know it. He is clearly a strong little man :) No advice on how to distribute yourself evenly. I'm sure you are doing your best and you can do no more :)

lady Hope you are feeling ok

hairy Nausea hey?! Grin When do you plan to test?

justmee How are you? Sinking in yet?

digitalgirl · 12/01/2011 20:04

coconuts with pcos it's not unusual to get multiple lh surges which an opk picks up as positive - until you actually finally ovulate. You could check if your cervix is open - in which case you may well be ovulating soon. Are you charting your temps? I do that as it's the only way I can confirm that I've ovulated as my cycles are so irregular. Although am currently confused as to whether I've ovulated as temps are a bit squiffy this cycle. My cervix is definitely closed and I have been cramping lately so I'm hoping that it's the progesterone taking effect.

lunatic glad you're all settled in.

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts · 12/01/2011 20:32

digi thanks for your advice? How on earth do I check my own cervix? [stupid] I don't chart but thinking of starting. Is that more reliable than OPKs with PCOS? Would the temperature rise with an LH surge as it does with ovulation? I have to say it is something I am really naive about and don't know much. Intrigued about cervix checking though Grin