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Recurrent Buns - Miscarriage Testing and Beyond! Part three..!

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Julezboo · 23/11/2010 12:52

Not so imaginative as lunatic !

Part One HERE

Part Two HERE

There are a mixture of Pg ladies, new BFP's (YAY) and new ladies who have sadly had to join us and are going through testing. Lots of OMW's and hand holding here!

Sit down, grab a cushion and a hot choc and get comfortable.

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hairyfairylights · 13/12/2010 12:47

Jinglejulez you sound buzy - would you like a taster for your shortbread Grin

frazzled hope your baby turns soon and you hold out.

Had a letter confirming my appointment with the consultant on 18th Jan.

"Dear Hairy

I now have the results after looking at these products under microscope. this confirms the presence of pregnancy tissue. That result is reassuring.

I hope you are keeping well and will see you as planned in clinic to discuss things further.

With good wishes"

How terribly polite!!!

and I thought it a bit strange that she has confirmed pregnancy tissue (after being told they don't examine it!) as we knew that. Although my sister thinks perhaps she is saying that it was not molar.

LunaticFringe · 13/12/2010 13:24

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hairyfairylights · 13/12/2010 13:39

Good stuff Lunatic x

Glitterybits · 13/12/2010 14:20

Just a quickie to put you out of your misery. I have a baby in there, with a heartbeat! WOOHOO!
CRL = 7mm and the sonographer said everything looks absolutely normal, apart from a couple of little pockets of blood, which are thankfully closer to my cervix than the baby, as I actually hoped thought earlier after the spotting scares.

I just wanted to say to LAF that if I'd gone for a scan based on my LMP alone, that I would have been considered to be nearly 8 weeks today and yet I'm measuring 6 weeks and 4 days. Just goes to show that my babies don't grow at the right rate either, but that doesn't mean that all isn't well. I hope you got on okay with the mw today. I'll be checking in again later today.

Well done for holding it together today Lunatic and I'm glad it wasn't as bad as you feared. I was an insane, gagging mess this morning and don't remember either the drive to the hospital or away from it. The strangest thing is that I feel decidedly numb now. Afterwards, DH and I just sat staring into cups of coffee and wondering what to do with ourselves. It's hard to feel excited when you've been so anxious for so long and still are to a large extent. I was so prepared for the worst that I can scarcely believe there's a person in there. We aren't out of the woods yet, but I may need to give in and tell my parents, just for some support and to remind myself that it is more than a dream now.

I'm aware that I owe you all a huge catch up. More later, when my feet are back on the ground.

Thanks ever so much to all of you for your continued support up to this point. Don't know what I would have done without you. x

JingleJulezbooBells · 13/12/2010 14:24

Grin Yay Glittery!!!! Sooo So happy for you!!!

hairyfairylights · 13/12/2010 14:30

Oh Glittery that's fantastic! :)

MummyBellsAllTheWay · 13/12/2010 14:36

HI ladies,

I am writing this from my sick bed, I caught a virus, I have had non stop vomiting and diarrea for the last 48 hours, seems to be slowing now but I feel so drained from lack of fluids... DS is having sweeties for breakfast and watching as much TV as he wants today!

Hairy Glad you have your appointment. I think your letter is a bit strange too. I had my "products" examined after the ERPC and the results said something like "placental tissues found of a non molar type" - however in my case they strongly suspected molar and were trying to rule it out. As I understand it moles are formed by placental tissue that are defective chromosonally, although in cases of partial moles there can be an embryo too. Perhaps he is saying that because they found tissue from an embryo it cant be molar? But then again, is "pregnancy tissue" from the embryo or placenta? Sorry if I am muddying the waters further, I guess the best bit is the word "reassured". Whatever it means it seems to be good!

Lunatic glad you got through your scan OK, and scary consultants kept themselves scarce Smile

stillfrazzled your maternity leaves starts two weeks before EDD? Are you thinking about changing it or chucking lots of sickies?

glittery everything crossed for you with the scan. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I am feeling the need to flake out back in bed now, so sorry to all those I havent caught up with, best wishes to you all xxxxx

MummyBellsAllTheWay · 13/12/2010 14:39

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Glittery FAB NEWS!!! Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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digitalgirl · 13/12/2010 15:40

Grin yay for glittery

Happy squeeze for lunatic too for making it through.

hairy reassuring letter I think.

frazzled must feel v reassuring to be in the thirties weeks now.

lady sorry af got you, if it's any consolation you can relax over Xmas. I know EXACTLY what you mean about desperately wanting to be pg but also not looking forward to the anxiety and worry that comes with a bfp.

mummy sorry to hear you're so poorly. Thank heavens for sweeties and tv.

We decorated our tree yesterday, and even made our own salt-dough decorations this year as well as cards. Everyone's feeling v creative in the digi household.

Have another counselling session tomorrow but am looking forward to my appt with senior registrar on Wed. Here is my list of questions:

Registrar questions

Talk through my history:
Irregular cycles when ttc#1
Bleeding in early pg with him
Swelling and itching in third trimester
Difficulty establishing breastfeeding - milk didn't come in till 8 days later
Mc#1 in Nov 09 when breastfeeding so not sure of dates, pg measured 5 weeks.
Bfp 4 months later but mc at 6+5, pg measured less than 5 weeks
bfp 6 months later but mc at 7+ pg measured 6+3 and fhb bradycardic
Tested negative on Nov 15th.
Been spotting and cramping on/off for past two weeks - with some ewcm early this week - can I be scanned to see what my uterus looks like?

Is the bleeding in my pregnancy with DS related to hormonal imbalance?
Long cycles a problem with egg quality or hormones?
Could I have developed antibodies in my pg with DS - explain itching and swelling.
Do they test for Nk cells or Factor V Leiden?
When is the soonest I can do the clotting test if my periods don't return to normal.
When will I get karyotyping results?
What will be my care if I get pregnant again and results from tests are negative?
What happens if I test positive for clotting and get pg before another test can confirm.
If I miscarry again will the foetus be tested?
If I miscarry again will I be offered heparin or prednisone in the next pregnancy regardless of test results?
Will upping my folic acid intake help? Am already taking pregnacare conception, when do I start upping it?
Will I be told heart rate of the baby? Will I get hcg levels tested? Will I get weekly scans?
Will clomid help? What other assistance is available to me?
What is the likelihood of having a successful pregnancy now?

MummyBellsAllTheWay · 13/12/2010 16:12

great list digiSmile

what about asking about low dose aspirin too? Is it recomended? When to take, how much etc?

stillfrazzled · 13/12/2010 16:13

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Not surprised but massively happy for you Glittery, it's been a long time coming.

Second Lunatic on the shock - you're going to have to get used to not being in survival mode. From personal experience it might take a while - but at least you've begun.

Have huge smile plastered to face. Congrats to you and DH and your DS.

LAF77 · 13/12/2010 16:23

First hurrah glittery I'm so glad for you. It is one hurdle that you have jumped and there are more to cross, but I'm glad that you have a good start. Do you have a follow-up scan before Christmas or will they take you at 11 weeks next?

Not much happened at my MW appt today. I gave a blood sample and a urine sample and I asked her about getting a scan on Friday from the EPU and she said that I had to wait for the full 2 weeks. I don't really understand that. I suppose I could arrange for a private scan on Friday. DH would not approve and it would be difficult to do it and not tell him what the results are, so I guess I will try to tough it out until the 21st. Fortunately, I've got a really busy week, I'm flying to CZ tomorrow and flying back Wednesday night with a supplier visit all day Thursday and busy with weekend Christmas get togethers, so I am not without things to do.

I am a bit confused on one thing. The first day of my last period was 15th October. I thought that would have put me at 9+3 today, but the letter from the EPU said that I was one week behind (7+5 when I went for the scan). I'm glad in some ways because that wouldn't put me as far behind as I thought. I forgot to ask the midwife this. I had a list of other questions, and I forgot to write this one down. Can anyone explain it to me?

digi well done for compiling a thorough list of questions. I would have thought that as you have had 3 miscarriages, the foetus would be tested. You would have to catch it though and bring it in for examination if you mc'd at home which is a grim task. I did manage to catch my first one, but I didn't get the second one.

Lunatic glad that you avoided the consultant that you don't like at ESH. I can imagine that it is quite surreal going into the hospital and having to confront your fears which are more than the average pg lady's fears. I was dumbfounded that I actually made it to a mw appt after all this time, so the thought of going into a hospital with a big tummy isn't something that I could even get my head around. You are so right about people offering bland statements of it will be fine. I haven't told anyone that I see regularly about this pg as I can't bear for people to come up to me and ask me how I am or what is going on cos I sure don't know. I can understand why Katie Holmes allegedly bought a private ultrasound machine to check up on the baby whenever she wanted during her pregnancy.

Thanks for sharing your story julez Little by little, I'm starting to relax as I'm piecing things together and it doesn't seem as dire as I first thought at the EPU. Out of interest, what did they do to help you through your issues with a septate uterus? hope you feel more comfortable soon.

feel better soon mummy and lady

when is your due date frazzled ? Can you change your maternity start date? Do you have a deputy already lined up?

mumatron you might just have a christmas baby! do you have a name picked out yet?

lots of hugs to everyone out there!

hairyfairylights · 13/12/2010 16:43

Great list digi

ALovelyBunchOfBaubles · 13/12/2010 18:07

My oh my it's been busy here today.

First things first... Massive Grin for glittery I'm so pleased for you Grin Grin

lunatic Exactly my sentiments, having DC2 doesn't make DD any less special or important to me. Glad the SCBU visit went well and better than you anticipated. It must have been a very hard thing to do, for both you and your DH.

LAF Does you DH like to follow MWs advice? If it settles your peace of mind then surely a private scan on Friday can't hurt?

mummy Sorry you are ill, viruses are awful. Once me and DH had something similar to you simultaneously. Caring for DCs is so hard when you are so weak from fluid loss. My DD had sweeties for breakfast too as she managed to reach her advent calendar Blush

Digi that is a fab list. I need to sit down and do mine for the 5th. You have given me some inspiration for a few questions although I don't think there are too many grey areas for me. I want to enquire as to whether my bi-cornuate uterus has anything to do with my previous mcs eventhough it is irrelevant to my PCOS.

I'm sure I've missed some of you as it's been mighty busy on here and I'm trying to multitask, so big hellos to everyone.

I have finished my PCOS book. Lots of insights into helping with stress and insensitive questions for others, boosting self esteem and also dealing with the guilt of mcs and infertility issues. Lots of excellent information for people without PCOS. It will be worthwhile reading through some parts again though as there was alot of info to take in.

Once again, massive smiles all round for your scan. I even told DH Grin

ALovelyBunchOfBaubles · 13/12/2010 18:07

That last bit was aimed at glittery obv!

LAF77 · 13/12/2010 19:17

baubles glad that you got some information from your book. Is there anything that you can use right now to help you?

Regarding a private scan, right now, I'm in a cheerful mindset. My boobs feel enormous today as if they are going to bust out of my bra literally. I keep changing my mind. At the moment, I'm happy and feeling pg. I made it to a mid-wife appointment and have a file now. I didn't know if I'd ever see this day. Getting bad news on Friday would mean that I would end up cancelling all of our Christmas plans for the weekend. Getting bad news on Tuesday means that Christmas is even closer. I want to bury my head in the sand and pretend that I'm not scared or worried and everything is normal and fine. I will see how I feel on Wednesday or Thursday and if I've started panicking again, then I may go on Friday.

DH thinks that I spend too much time on the internet reading about everything that could be wrong. He thinks that I should relax, but it isn't HIS body where the baby is living, so it is easy to say that.

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MummyBellsAllTheWay · 13/12/2010 20:26

LAF my DH used to say the same thing about the internet (although he has gone a bit quite since I self diagnosed AS via google), I think it is their misguided way of trying to help. I know when my DH was ill and I was the "carer" I was always full of irritating suggestions as well, i think its what we do when we feel helpless. Can I suggest you give him a job to do? People who feel helpless love suddenly feeling useful. What could he do for you that would be relaxing?

Glitterybits · 13/12/2010 20:50

Right, as promised, epic catch-up!

Lunatic So pleased your little fella is doing well in there. Not so pleased that someone had the audacity to try and educate you on abruption percentages! It's a bit like the sonographer this morning trying to convince me that we might not see anything at this stage. You can't mess with the OMW! We know too much! Grin I'm pleased today wasn't quite as bad as you feared, but it's not an easy thing to deal with when you're hormonal and terrified. Well done to you for braving it. Aw, I'm sobbing again at the bulb lady comment. You're so lovely. Grin Thank you! I've been worried about those bulbs in this weather. Come March/ April, I'll be out there fretting over their appearance! Grin

hairy Yey for ovulation! Smile Every little hurdle jumped feels like such an enormous achievement, doesn't it? But, as I said before in the midst of my infertile doom, you can't make an omelette without eggs. Being told I had ovulated normally was such a relief! I'm also very chuffed for you that you're getting the tests you need done. I do find that letter of yours a little vague though. I'd follow up and ask some questions if I were you.

Mummy So sweet of you to send me well wishes and congrats from your sick bed! You are a superwoman, but I wonder if your body is maybe asking you for a wee rest at this point. When you think of what you've been through over the past few weeks/ months, it's hardly surprising that you're a bit run down!

Baubles I totally get the annoyance with people pointing out that you have one child and therefore couldn't possibly want/ need anymore. It's often made me question whether or not I'm being greedy, but I've just had to congratulate yet another friend on her pregnancy today. The irony is that she's further along than me, but hasn't had a scan yet. She feels safe to tell the world and yet, I've seen a baby with a hb in there and I'm still too scared to tell anyone! Oh to be ignorant and carefree! The one difference that I've noticed between me and a lot of my pg friends is that they are all very good at talking about how scary it is to be pregnant with number 2, whilst I think it is the most marvellous thing in the world. Obviously, I don't wish this knowledge of mc on anyone, but the struggle to get what we want surely makes it all that more precious.

Waterplate welcome. Sorry you're here, but you will get all the support you need and more here! Smile

Julez Sorry your naughty baby is giving you so much discomfort! Not long to go now though! I'm not actually 8 weeks. I should almost be according to my LMP, but my body likes to do things a bit differently! 6+4 today, which is interesting because, according to the conception date, I've known about the pg for too long for that to be true. Still, at least it prevents early induction at the other end!

digi Very jealous about the fancy bras. I've wanted needed new underwear for so long, but never got around to it because I knew we were TTC and kept hoping that it could wait. 2 years later and I wish I'd just thrown it all out and started again! Bring on the big maternity pants!

Lady So sorry that this month wasn't to be. Sad But yey for the extended LP. Smile It's a step in the right direction. I used to drive myself crazy with the whole charting and LP thing. It really can do your head in after a while, especially when the LP seems to get better one month and then shorten again the next. I am pleased you're having the day 21 test done, just in case the majority of your cycle is fine, but you're having a similar hormonal hiccup to the one I had. It could be that Clomid could sort out any potential ovulatory problems for you and be the reset button that will sort out that LP straightaway for you. Sometimes we just need a reboot! Thanks for all your lovely supportive words btw. Muchly appreciated as always.

mumatron I can't believe you're so close now. I'm getting really rather excited for you. Keep us posted as much as you can.

frazzled Hope your naughty baby turns around and doesn't decide to come out through the sunroof. The more I think about it, the less I think either exit is particularly pleasant, but can appreciate that it's just another thing to worry about. Thank you so much for all the lovely supportive grinning and hand holding. It's so nice to be congratulated rather than congratulating every bugger else(!) - particularly since I still haven't caved and told anyone in RL! Grin

LAF If your last period was on 15 October, that would put you at 8 + 3 rather than
9 + 3, so your dates are probably a lot closer to what they've told you than you thought! The start of my last one was 20 October, so we're pretty close from the looks of things. I'm glad you're now feeling pregnant because it just sounds as though you counted an extra week by accident. This is very good news if you're being made to wait until 21st for a scan. I would hold off if you can, because it sounds to me as though you were just a wee bit earlier than you thought. Those extra few days could also allow for late ovulation/ your baby growing at a slightly different rate than expected. They've added an extra 4 days to my pg today, so don't panic. You're probably right on track! Just realised Lunatic has already said all this, so ignore the repetition!

Waves to banana and anyone else I may have missed. I hope everyone is as well as they can be and thank you all so much again for all your truly wonderful support. I wish I could hug you all in person. Smile

banana87 · 13/12/2010 22:00

Hi everyone! Epic catch up for me too...

Glittery Chuffed at your news. Long may it continue!

Mumatron Can't believe you are so close! Good luck!!

LAF I agree with the others that they have dated you closer than you think. Have you decided against the private scan now?

Mummy Hope you are starting to feel better and no one else catches it.

Digital Great list of questions, I might have to steal some :)

Hairy Pleased you have ovulated, its one step closer to normality!

Lunatic Glad all went well for you today.

Waves to Baubles, Julez and anyone else I missed!!

I had my scan this morning. Still have a small thing on the outside of the lining of my uterus. Was sent for another HCG test even though I have had my period. On CD8 now and having brown discharge. Not sure what to make of this, but I am bloody sick of spotting or brown discharge. It has been 3 months now and it HAS to go. I am seeing my consultant tomorrow night and have managed to work myself up so much that I am going to burst. I just want to move on FFS!!!

digitalgirl · 14/12/2010 11:12

banana did they explain what the thing could be? Is it endometriosis or still part of the pregnancy? Totally share your frustrations at wanting to move on.

glittery the best thing I ever did was get myself measured for a nursing bra at R&P. Never knew breastfeeding boobs could look so amazing! Still so happy for you.

Well, I appear to be ovulating and the spotting seems to have calmed down for today. Got very obvious EWCM yesterday.
Then Blush got pretty drunk at my work xmas do last night....and then DH and I had unprotected sex. I knew exactly what I was doing, in the way that you knowingly do stupid things when you're drunk, knowing you're going to regret it in the morning but not caring at that very moment. Checked cervix this morning and it is very high and open. So have done exactly what I was supposed to avoid. Am now hoping that as I'm not one of those super fertile types that gets pg on one shag (usually takes me 6 months of INTENSIVE swi) that I'll get AF in two weeks, have my clotting test, get the all clear and can swi with abandon.

(clearly I am also hoping that i get a miracle bfp and somehow the massive alcoholic binge I've been on will suppress whatever anti-bodies or clotting probs I have - but both of those are a long shot so am officially sticking to my 'stupid, but unlikely to result in anything' story)

Have another 2 big xmas work lunches this week. Shall I just carry on as normal ie guilt-free boozing?

LAF77 · 14/12/2010 11:48

digital can't say I blame you for hoping for a miracle. If I were in your shoes, I'd go ahead with the guilt free boozing. I did not expect to get pg either when I did although that's always a risk with unprocted sex!

lunatic when are they thinking of admitting you as an inpatient, early, mid or late Jan? I will come visit you at ESH.

banana and glittery I think I have ruled out the private scan on Friday. I will only have to hold out for another 5 days (with a lot planned) until my "free" scan at the EPU. There isn't as big of a gap as I thought at first. I suppose that is part of being pg, waiting and hoping, even if everything seems fine at the next scan, there will be the next one to agonise over.

I'm really early for my flight as the journey to STN was quicker than expected. I'm gorging on krispy kreme donuts as I still have another hour before I can check my bag! Feeling kinda yucky after I did it. I always do, but I never learn.

That's rubbish banana that you have been bleeding for 3 months. That should be enough to get you seen by someone ASAP.

mummy your self diagnosis proves that the Internet has it's uses for sure. DH loves cars and spends ages reading about them, nothing about babies yet as I know he us apprehensive about it all because of the mcs. He has discussed what we could do with our spare room, which will keep him happy. I hope you are feeling better and getting fluids down. Perhaps changing water supplies back to CR gave your system a shock!

TTFN!

JingleJulezbooBells · 14/12/2010 14:12

lunatic waters laked with dS2, he was born at 38 weeks in the end :) So I know I can do it!

LAF they actually did nothing to fix my uterus! I was referred for surgery but I fell pregnant. The cons thinks thats why hes taken up residence in the right side of my uterus which is causing me so much rib/shoulder pain. My ribs actually stick out which is a bit freaky.

I have washed baby clothes today. Nesting is well and truly kicking in!

ALovelyBunchOfBaubles · 14/12/2010 14:23

julez is your uterus completely separated? Mine is bi-cornuate but I've never really been sure of how much of an impact it has made on my pregnancies/mcs. I have no idea how separated it is. I might make this a question at my gynae appointment. It would be great if someone would just draw me a picture.