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Slimming World to Harcombe?

835 replies

FourArms · 02/12/2013 11:30

I've been doing SW since 29/8. Initially on EE and now mainly on red days.

However although I've lost 1lb short of 2
stone I haven't lost any weight this week and I've stuck to the plan with the exception of maybe not enough syns / HEB.

Have seen the Harcombe diet and this seems to be more like what I'm doing at the moment although I'll have to swap coffee and skimmed milk for herbal tea and stop my 10 a day satsuma habit ;)

Just wondered what people's losses had been in phase 1 switching from SW? My BMI is still in the low 30s so I've got plenty to lose!

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wombat22 · 18/12/2013 15:39

Hello all. Well done for remaining on track. I'm working my way back to it. I think it's a psychological thing really, have social occasions coming up and can't cure the mindset "i'll start again after christmas". Wrong I know. I received an email from Harcombe website the other day, to say they are organising another 30 day blitz starting in January. Xmas Smile

SolidGold · 18/12/2013 16:26

Hi wombat, I had the same email. Think I'll join in with that - it's free, isn't it?

I'm struggling with that mindset too, I love home made mince pies and don't want to miss out. I would like to be able to eat "normally", i.e just when I'm hungry and not put on weight. Not sure how to get there though.

FourArms · 18/12/2013 17:37

I'm not in the least bothered by off topic chat :) Reminds me of lovely weekends I used to spend in York with a friend from uni. :)

Weird thing happened today- got on scales and had a 1lb loss. Tried again and it was a STS. Very weird - I must have been off balance the first time? I normally get off and on a few times and it's never happened before in 3.5 months??

Cheated a bit yesterday - had a latte. Was absolutely lovely!

Read something that made me think on the Harcombe FB group the other day - Harcombe only works if you stick to it. If you have a high fat diet but mix with carbs, then the carbs are used and the fat is stored. So if you know it will be a cheaty day it's best to stay away from high fat foods too.

Don't know why, but feeling a lot more confident every day. I'm in control of eating at the moment. It's a lovely place to be, I just hope I can carry on until Christmas Day :)

30 Day Blitz sounds good. Is it aimed at existing Harcombers?

Just do your best Wombat. Every day on plan is twice as good as a day off. Even at 50% on/off you might not gain even if you do STS.

Breakfast today: porridge and low fat NLY (haven't had porridge for a week, but needed to get from 7am b/fast to 2.30pm lunch so NLY alone wouldn't cut it!)

Lunch: ham and salad

Dinner: lamb steaks, sprouts & swede chips

Bought some mini dark choc bars from Aldi yesterday for desperate times over Christmas!

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FourArms · 18/12/2013 17:43

Good read

12 Days of Christmas carol - the Harcombe way!

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SolidGold · 18/12/2013 19:14

I bought the small bars of dark chocolate from Aldi recently too, but found them far too sweet. If you have a Sainsburys nearby, they do a pack of 5 small bars of 85% dark chocolate which is VERY good. Green & Blacks dark chocolate is very lovely too Smile

I love York Smile I used to work in the centre and every day walking from the station to work I thought how lucky I was to work in such a beautiful city. I would love to live close to the centre one day, but don't think I could afford to.

I think the Harcombe blitz is suitable for anyone.

Notsurehowthathappened · 19/12/2013 07:41

0.2lb loss yesterday. This is painfully sloooooooow!!

However I can definitely see a diiference when I look in the mirror and like you FA, feel strangely confident and in control. I am delighted to have kicked my sugar habit, love the lack of food cravings and the total absence of headaches from my life.

I didn't know there was a Harcombe Website or FB site so will look both out today. I thought the '12 Days' link was really interesting.

Thanks for the Sainsbury's 85% tip SG. I looked at that pack last week but then thought I might be tempted to wolf the whole lot. I have been a real chocoholic all my adult life (rarely going a day without) and find it difficult not to be tempted. However, I am really noticing how few headaches I m getting and having slipped up last Saturday and then having a horrendous headache Sunday, I am wondering if the two are linked.

Keep going Wombat. I just looked at my Fitness Pal for last Christmas. I put on 7lb over the space of that week. It took me until the middle of March to shift them. You might think you will start after Christmas but then along come the January / February blues to derail you. This diet lets you be in control of Christmas and even if you only STS that will give you a flying start in the new year Smile

Mary2010xx · 19/12/2013 11:04

Thanks for the link to the 12 days of Christmas newsletter. It's very helpful. This way of eating which is real food (paleo/primal) is the way to go for most people for health and weight really does work and so m any different do now seem to come to the same conclusion. Only Sweden however seems to be moving to official advice to eat higher fat, lower carb. It will take the NHS about 20 years to change its views, I expect.

FourArms · 19/12/2013 20:53

My headaches are massively down too. I got one earlier in the week and couldn't understand why, then I remembered I'd had a decaff coffee for breakfast! I'm down to usually two coffees a day. I do like a cup of coffee though, so I may try after Christmas to have a normal coffee in the morning and a decaff in the evening.

Slightly down again here, equal to last Saturday again which was my lowest so far. TOTM nearly over now though. I've eaten lots of swede this week which is fairly starchy as veg goes I think, looking at my days with good losses, they tend to have followed less starchy veg days - lots of salad and cabbage. May try and stick to that for a few days.

Had a random breakfast today of NLY and two slices of ham. Was really filling - would definitely have that again. Found Yorkshire ham and sliced roast beef in Aldi which were suitable for the plan. Took a lot of searching though - I must have looked like a woman possessed examining all the ingredients!

Not been tempted by a single chocolate or mince pie yet and not struggling to say 'no thanks' either. Looking forward to having Christmas Day off plan, but not sure how it's going to affect my stomach. I had dinner at my parents' house tonight and got terrible diahorrea afterwards. It was just mince and onions with carrots and sprouts, so it must have been something in the mince gravy. I think it maybe had oxo and bisto in it. It tasted soooooo salty.

NSHTH - the Harcombe website is charged for I think if you want to post. The FB group is free though. I was a member of two originally, but have reverted to just one now though so I don't waste too much time!! It's called the Harcombe Diet Unofficial Group.

There was a good post yesterday which was the Christmas email from Zoe Harcombe. I'll post it in a thread below now.

Hope you've all had a good day. Last day at work before Christmas tomorrow. :) :)

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FourArms · 19/12/2013 20:54

Top Christmas Tips for minimising gain

The starting point is to make a conscious choice - now. Do you want to exercise some restraint/caution and avoid weight gain over Christmas or are you content to relax healthy eating for a while and deal with the consequences in January? Both options are perfectly valid - just make yours a conscious choice. If you're going to go for the gain/pain option, then at least enjoy the time when you throw caution to the wind. The worst scenario would be to eat the wrong things - not enjoy eating the wrong things - feel guilty for having done so - and then to have to do a strict Phase 1 correction in January. If you're planning to 'do the time', then at least 'enjoy the crime'!

If you make the choice that you're going to relax a bit, then still use some of The Harcombe Diet Phase 3 guidelines to minimise the damage. By damage - I mean to how you will feel - not just what the scales will say in January. You don't want to feel bloated, sluggish and dopey over the holidays - so remember these three top Phase 3 tips:

  1. Don't waste your cheating.

Don't ever eat something just because it's there or because you've eaten other rubbish that day, so why not eat a bit more. Every cheat that you have should be worth it - something that you really fancy. You should never cheat to the extent that you'll feel stuffed and uncomfortable. Cheating should be a conscious choice and it should feel indulgent. If it is unconscious, mindless and/or it makes you feel guilty - it's not fun, so don't do it.

  1. Don't settle for anything less than what you really want.

If you want Christmas pudding and brandy butter - have it. Don't have a dry mince pie thinking that this will satisfy you. You'll only want the Christmas pudding and brandy butter and will probably have this in addition to the mince pie. Feel the sense of freedom that being free from food addiction can give you; make a conscious choice to have what you want; eat it slowly; savour every mouthful and make it worthwhile.

  1. Don't cheat too often or too early in each day.

The thing that you most need to avoid is re-awakening food cravings and full blown food addiction. This is the worst that can happen if you choose the more relaxed approach to food over the festive season. And it can happen frighteningly quickly, as my post from nearly four years ago shows.

To make sure that this doesn't happen to you - don't cheat every day and don't start cheating too early during the day. Given that cheating will involve carbs, and probably refined ones, you are likely to be set off on a blood glucose level roller coaster. You might have a croissant for breakfast and go out of the normal blood glucose range, release insulin, dip below the normal blood glucose range, crave something else sweet, have some chocolates and so the cycle continues. This will lead to you craving sweet things every couple of hours throughout the day and you'll end up falling into a carb-stupor-induced-sleep at bed time - really not feeling like you've had fun. You may well wake up with a carb 'hangover' and start the roller coaster again.

By not cheating every day - you also make sure that you don't get into a vicious cycle of having the same sugary/floury substances on a regular basis - increasing the risk of you becoming intolerant to them/addicted to them again, even in a short period of time.

"Top Christmas Tips for avoiding gain"

If you don't want to gain weight over the Christmas period, make the decision now and stick to it. Here are some tips for staying on track between now and 2014:

  1. See Christmas as a few separate events - not a long festive period.

There is likely to be a work Christmas party - which will include drink and may or may not include food. Most workplaces have a Christmas lunch. There is Christmas day dinner - usually with family. Depending on one's job, many people will have just one work event - consultants and freelance people are likely to get invited to more than one party.

Treat each event as a separate occasion. Don't see the period from the first party until New Year as one long period when you can't watch what you eat. It's a mindset switch from "I've got a long period when I can't control my eating" to "I've got a long period when I can control my eating, with just a few events when I'm going to have to do the best I can." It's such an important distinction to make.

  1. Be on high impulse alert.

I used to work for Mars Confectionery (I know - I was young!) There was an entire team of people working in "sales display". All confectionery companies (Mars, Cadbury and Rowntree were the three UK leaders at the time) knew that 7 out of 10 confectionery purchases were made on impulse. 7 out of 10! The builder going in to the newsagent and habitually buying a Mars bar and The Sun newspaper each day, was the minority shopper. The majority walked into a petrol station not planning to buy anything and came out with a bag of Maltesers. Ever done that?!

This is why junk is placed at the checkouts and the confectionery racks in the garage line up in parallel with the queue to pay. It is all designed to make you buy things that you didn't intend to buy. The sales display team at Mars could even tell you the odds of you buying each different confectionery bar depending on where it was on the brown plastic display rack. They knew where your eyes went first, second, third, what you would be drawn back to and what you would eventually buy. This isn't your choice you know!

This impulse manipulation goes on all year round. The extra challenge at Christmas is that it escalates to an omnipresent level. Did you spot how early the displays in the supermarkets were all for Christmas junk? Puddings, cakes, biscuits, mince pies, chocolates - all looking like such irresistible bargains that we don't feel we can leave them on the shelves. The pyramid of 'must have' greets you at the entrance to the store and then, every time you turn into a new aisle, the 'bargains' are on the end displays (the fake food manufacturers pay heavily to get those positions) or they are in bargain-bucket-type-baskets, which you almost fall over in the aisles.

We go to our local post office most days and sherry and mince pies have been out since the start of December. December also saw the arrival of a tin of Quality Street in the reception area of my physiotherapy clinic and the hair salon also had a festive glass bowl of 'help yourself' chocolates.

Be hyper aware of the added risk of impulse eating in December and don't fall for it. Anticipate it. Know that it will be there. Enter the garage resolute that you will not come out with junk. No matter how long you stand in the Post Office queue - don't touch the mince pies, which have been open to all sorts of germs since opening time. Be outraged that fake food companies have teams of people devoted to manipulating you and be chuffed that you scuppered their bad intentions.

  1. No mindless eating at all.

I tweeted the other day that I munched my way through a 100g bar of 85% cocoa content dark chocolate while working at my PC. It is so easy to be working on something interesting or watching a programme on TV and to realise that you've obviously just finished something, but have no recollection of having eaten it. What a waste!

Make sure that you are never within reach of junk at any time during the festive period. Home parties usually end up being kitchen based and there are nuts, crisps, cheese cubes etc on the table. Make sure that any nibbles are well out of your reach. You would be shocked by how much you could mindlessly eat while chatting to other guests. At drinks parties, have one hand on your clutch bag and the other on your drink - no spare hands for the canapés. (Guys - stick the spare hand in your pocket.)

The other killer risk for mindless eating is TV time. Most households have Christmas stuff on the coffee table - more nuts/crisps/chocolates. Don't be within reach of these either. For an extra way to resist temptation, have a glass of water in your hand and you'll find that you mindlessly sip, rather than mindlessly munch, and you'll be wonderfully hydrated by the end of Downton Abbey.

I really hope that even one of these tips works for you and gives you a good idea for coping with the amount of junk that we're all about to encounter. Make the choice now to gain or maintain and feel good about whatever you decide to do.

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Notsurehowthathappened · 19/12/2013 23:04

Thankyou for posting those tips FA.

I have already decided that my Christmas deviations will be:

  • A glass of Baileys - Christmas Eve and Christmas Day
  • Chocolate - all three days (but not if it gives me a headache)
  • Turkish Delight - all three days
  • Dauphinois Potatoes - Christmas Day
  • Charlotte Russe - Christmas day
  • Bubble & Squeak - Boxing Day

Having read the tips I am going to:

  • look forward to and savour each treat
  • attempt to eat reasonable quantities rather than pig out
  • carb as late in the day as possible

DD and I shopped today and I have made sure there will be plenty of protien and veggies. I have also ensured that the chocolates we have bought are not my favourites and that there are no gluten free cakes, biscuits or puddings. In addition I have declined the temptation of gluten free biscuits (instead of Blinis) for my Smoked Salmon and Gluten Free Croissants for Christmas Breakfast

Keeping my fingers crossed that I can actually stick to all that and that the post Christmas damage isn't too bad !!!

Notsurehowthathappened · 20/12/2013 07:26

0.6lb off today. That has put a smile on my face and given me the strength to deal with my pre-christmas irritations. One heavily leaking cistern overflow (plumbers are like gold dust in rural Yorkshire) and a flat tyre.

Neither would normally be insurmountable except that I have my Brother staying Christmas and the only other loo in the house is already broken and waiting to be replaced and the Tyre is a new Winter Tyre only fitted three weeks ago. The Garage that fitted it can slot me in on the 30th !!!

FourArms · 20/12/2013 07:43

:( :(

Down 1lb here too :) Was it the upset tummy or the lack of swede and porridge yesterday??

Was going to suggest isolating the toilet until I read on. Any chance it's covered by your home insurance as a house emergency? Our HSBC policy would.

And :( to flat tyre too. I once had three new tyres fitted at service, but MOT got postponed as a new part was needed and car would otherwise fail (some filter for emissions). By the MOT the following week one tyre had a massive nail in and needed replacing :( Wouldn't have minded, but they hasn't desp needed changing the week before, I just said yes as they were getting close and I struggle to get the car into the garage in term time so doing it again a month later would have been a pain! :(

Loving your Christmas choices :)

Think mine will be:

Prawn cocktail with Christmas Day lunch
Small piece of Christmas pud (but not sure yet if I really love it enough to have it??), Christmas cake (ditto) and definitely trifle!

Going to stay veg carb free. Will make sure I have bags of crunchy salad mix at picky buffet times - takes agggeess to eat so I feel I've had lots :)

Could make my own low sugar trifle maybe? But I'm going to go with a knowing cheat and savour it rather than feeling robbed by an inferior version.

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FourArms · 20/12/2013 07:44

0.2lb away from my Christmas 2.5 stone target :) :) :)

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Notsurehowthathappened · 20/12/2013 08:01

Ooooh FA am now on tenterhooks re your 2.5 stone achievement.

I am so impressed. Unfortunately I am still not back to the weight I was mid Summer (after two months of 5:2 ) but at least it is now going in the right direction and at a risk of repetition I feel I am changing some very bad habits.

I think your Prawn Cocktail will be fine and fancy th Trifle !!

Am planning to throw myself on the mercy of the only local plumber I know, but haven't got a clue how to deal with the Tyre. I live 15 miles from the nearest Tyre place and am supposed to be joining the children on a trip into York tonight to go on the Carousel and Christmas Market. Grrrrr.....

Beechview · 20/12/2013 10:07

Thanks for those tips FA. I'm really impressed with your 2.5 loss too!
I want to be able to say that too :(

I'm not really losing still but have gone off track a bit.
I definitely don't want to gain over xmas either! There's no reason why I should really. I've only got Xmas lunch, Boxing day lunch and NY eve dinner as social events. That's just 3 meals. The rest of the time I'll be hopefully busy with family and going out a lot. I've planned lots of long walks!

I'm not sure whether I should carry on with Harcombe specifically as it doesn't seem to be working well for me. I'm sure I've been doing it properly. I've not been doing it properly for the last week and have been eating what I want and I've still sts.

I'm going to have lots of soup for the next few days as a last ditch attempt. There are some good recipes on the Harcombe website.

Notsurehowthathappened · 20/12/2013 19:36

Woops, a little wobble today.

Dealt with cistern leak and flat tyre, so was able to make our Christmas treat trip into York. Unfortunately my willpower collapsed as we entered Betty's. 1/2 Bowl of chips and an Orange Cheesecake later I am feeling rather guilty and very light headed (sugar rush).

But I did follow the have exactly what you want and enjoy it rule.

Are you follwing Harcombe just for weight loss BV or also to change bad habits. If it is just weight loss you need I found the 5:2 relatively easy to follow. The problem for me was that it didn't fix my chocolate / fruit habit and I therefore found it easy to put weight back on.

FourArms · 21/12/2013 08:28

NSHTH - sounds delicious :) Apparently masses of water is the way to go afterwards to flush your system.

BV - maybe look out for the bootcamp in the new year? I think I might have a go at following it.

Well, had some cheese yesterday for the first time in ages (work Xmas buffet - nothing else avail that was plan friendly). Was a bit worried about effects, but rest of day was on plan.

B - NLY & roast beef
L - cheese, teeny piece of ham & NLY
D- cod, mushy peas & masses of salad (with a latte)

I have also drunk lots for a couple of days.

Today I'm down 2.4lb since yesterday?!?! Although TOTM has pretty much finished now so maybe that's why. Not holding on to keeping that loss tomorrow, but I've definitely lost my 0.2lb to hit my Christmas target Xmas Smile

I'm switching to lactose free milk from today to ease my conscience re coffees! Off out for breakfast to celebrate (bacon & eggs for me!). Have a good day :)

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Notsurehowthathappened · 21/12/2013 09:54

How fantastic FA you deserve to be very proud of yourself !!!

BV I am also thinking of Bootcamping so you won't be alone if you join us.

I was so excited this morning I actually managed to lose 1.2lb yesterday despite my major wobble. No rhyme or reason there !! That means I am now only 1.2lb away from where I was in the Summer and only 22lb left to lose to get back to my Weddind Day weight.

Gives me a fantastic incentive to remain good over Christmas.

Notsurehowthathappened · 21/12/2013 09:58

Oh and forgot to mention. I looked down in the shower this morning and realised that some of the hideous Cellulite on my legs is beginning to dissapear.

I have always been plagued by Cellulite and knew that one theory linked it to Sugar consumption. I am assuming that it is now dissolving because of the absence of sugar in my diet. What a fantastic side effect.

FourArms · 21/12/2013 13:08

That's great NSHTH :) Maybe we're both a bit low calorie wise and that gave our body a boost?

Will inspect my cellulite tomorrow!! Fingers crossed, I've had it since I was 18 and relatively thin (10/12) but I had an extremely high sugar diet then.

Went out for breakfast. Was on plan - NLY, 4 x bacon, two fried eggs and mushrooms. Went straight through me. V.odd. Confused

Have a new teapot to aid increased herbal tea consumption :)

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Beechview · 21/12/2013 17:32

I was doing it mainly for weight loss.
I'm not sure about the boot camps. I've tried it and I can't handle proper low carb. I really hate it in fact. I'd rather eat a lentils than meat.
I think I might just go for calorie counting on myfitnesspal along with exercise.
The diet that suits me most in terms of how happy I am with it, is a low gi diet.

SolidGold · 21/12/2013 19:02

Congratulations everyone on your losses Grin

I've tried proper low carb too and couldn't cope, I prefer Harcombe and it works.

SolidGold · 22/12/2013 22:11

I'm not losing but not gaining either which I will be happy with over Christmas. I'm not being as strict as I should be, but after Christmas will get back on track. I'm sticking to Harcombe most of the time, but enjoying the odd seasonal treat and glass of wine

Notsurehowthathappened · 22/12/2013 23:20

Hope you are all coping better than me.

I have been to two parties and a family Supper over the last two days. Sheer torture. Yesterday I succumbed to Chocolate and and had to accept my punishment of 2lb on this morning.

Today I survived one party on a diet lemonade, ignoring all the Steak pies, Canapes & desserts on offer. However, I crumbled when I got to DD and picked at bits of the Indian they had bought.

Just trying to minimise damage really !!

FourArms · 23/12/2013 10:04

It's really hard to stick to the plan when you're out and about. Those quick gains are mainly water so they can be off just as quickly :)

My weight went up 1.2lb yesterday which wasn't surprising after dropping 2.4lb in one day. Down again today 0.8lb so I'm 1.8lb under my Christmas target :)

I've got to lose just under a pound for my next target of losing 17.5% of my starting weight and 3.2lb to get into the overweight BMI category!

Have a good day everyone! I'll be braving the shops late tonight - wish me luck!!

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