Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Low-carb diets

Share advice and experiences of following a low-carb diet.Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Autumn Low Carb Bootcamp - The Preparation Thread

294 replies

BIWI · 03/09/2013 18:15

So it looks like a whole host of us have signed up Grin

Some of you will be new to low carbing, others may have done it before but might need a bit of a reminder.

Certainly it is always good to start planning beforehand, so we can all get off to the best possible start.

Here goes:

For the whole of Bootcamp these are foods that you should not eat:

bread
rice
pasta/noodles
potatoes
flour
pastry
sugar
chocolate/sweets
biscuits/cookies
crisps

Beyond this there are only ten rules of Bootcamp. The idea behind this is to make it easy to follow - so no counting carbs and no weighing of anything. That said, it never does any harm for you to know how many carbs are in an average portion of anything, so you might want to weigh some of your portions to start with - but Bootcamp isn't about obsessive weighing and counting - it is supposed to be about normal and enjoyable eating.

The ten rules of Bootcamp are:

1. You must eat breakfast.
It doesn?t have to be a lot, and it doesn?t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).

After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.

A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ?if you are hungry, eat!?. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, bacon, pre-prepared burgers, Pepperami etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars. These products contain all manner of artificial ingredients, and often contain sugar. You should always check the carb counts of these foods if you are including them, as some of them can be surprisingly high (e.g. Tesco Chargrilled Burgers - per burger, fried, have 5.4g carbs)

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body?s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first).

Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3g carbs per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you drink tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!)

You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it.

Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from carblife . Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be

Your Weight--Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour.

However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead.

If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada

After Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later, when we move into Bootcamp Light - it can be too easy to start snacking on these, and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in Bootcamp - don't do it to yourself!

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ?no no?, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended.

Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

Allowed Veg

Look at the tabs on the bottom of the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness for these

The general rule of thumb is to focus on choosing veg that is 3g carbs per 100g; others, like onions, are allowed (because they are such a versatile veg), but are quite carby if you use too much.

Weighing

It's up to you how often you weigh - although Monday morning is our usual weigh-in day.

You can enter your weight in pounds or kilos on the spreadsheet. There is a useful converter on there as well. Or, if you prefer, you can index your weight. Your starting weight will be 100, and for every pound you lose, drop by one point.

Some people like to weigh daily, as they feel that it helps to keep them on track. This is fine, but remember that your weight naturally fluctuates on a day-by-day basis and can be affected by all kinds of things, especially your menstrual cycle. If you can't cope with seeing the scales show no change, or a slight increase, then don't do it to yourself! Far better to weigh just once a week.

The other thing to realise is that you can lose inches whilst the scales may show no change. I have no idea why! So it's a good idea to take your measurements before you start.

Or, find an item of clothing that is too tight right now, and keep trying that on every week. Our clothes are the most accurate way of monitoring weight loss.

Keep a food diary

It's really useful to do this. Keep an honest, accurate record of everything that you're eating and drinking, and annotate this with your weight. This way you will be able to look back and see what helped or hindered your progress. Mark on it if/when you have taken any exercise as well.

Be aware of carb flu

Some people find that the first few days of low carbing can be quite tough - you may feel headachey, tired and irritable - as if you are going down with the flu. Not everyone gets this, but a lot of people do. Things you can do to help:

  • try cutting down on your carbs over the next few days, before you eliminate all the key suspects; a gradual cutting down may help you (especially if you are a real carboholic!)
  • once we start Bootcamp, make sure that you are drinking plenty of water and eating plenty of fat
  • keep your electrolyte levels up. The key things you need to ensure you are eating are sodium, potassium and magnesium. Good sources of these foods are salmon, avocado and spinach. And make sure you're eating plenty of salt. Along with fat, this is something else that seems counter-intuitive! Try making a hot drink out of an Oxo cube, or Marmite/Bovril.
  • don't struggle on - if you have a headache, take some paracetamol (but avoid ibuprofen as this can impact on weight loss)

Do some reading about low carbing

There are loads of great resources on the Spreadsheet - links to websites, blogs and videos. Reading/watching these will help you to understand the science behind low carbing. This is important as you will soon find people questioning what you're eating/why you're eating so much fat, etc. You need to feel confident yourself that it's the right thing to do, but you also need to be able to answer those who will try and scoff at your diet.

Plan, plan, plan

This is not a WOE that is easy without forward planning. Especially if your day involves you needing to eat when you are out and about. Know where you can buy food from if you're on the go (Marks & Spender Simply Food is usually a good bet), or make sure that you have something to eat with you.

You will certainly, until you get into the swing of cooking low carb meals, need to think ahead about what you're going to cook, and to make sure that you have plenty of low carb foods in the house.

The recipe thread has some great and easy low carb things to cook . Feel free to add your own recipes - with carb counts if at all possible!

Hopefully all this will help. No doubt I've forgotten something Grin but if you have any questions, just ask.

I will set up a different thread each week, and I will also set up a separate question thread. From experience, the chat thread moves pretty quickly, so a separate question thread is a good place if there's something you really need to know.

There are lots of us who will be on Bootcamp who have been low carbing for a while now, so if you are in any doubt about anything, please ask.

Good luck everyone.

OP posts:
pixiegumboot · 08/09/2013 10:22

anyone re tea being part of water allowance?

BIWI · 08/09/2013 10:34

pixie - I don't have a problem with that, but make sure that you are drinking a decent amount of water and not too much tea. Tea does contain caffeine, and there is some suggestion that caffeine can cause an insulin response (people disagree on this), so it's wise to restrict it a little bit.

Welcome Zing! Good luck with it.

PasstheTwiglets - when you heat olive oil it changes its character and makes it less healthy. Will find a link for you. Will also post the link of allowed veg and will check the spreadsheet.

OP posts:
BIWI · 08/09/2013 10:42

heating olive oil

If you Google this, you will find that this, too, is often disputed (especially by those who make/sell olive oil, strangely enough ...)

I still cook with olive oil, although I try to use coconut oil more often these days. Initially, coconut oil was sold in Sainsbury's, where I shop, as a specialist/exclusive oil, and it is hugely expensive, so I only used it occasionally. Now, though, they sell the KTC brand in the Asian section, and this is much cheaper, so I use it more often.

OP posts:
BIWI · 08/09/2013 10:46

Here is a list of raw veg and their carb counts per 100g (apologies for the lack of formatting, but MN doesn't copy this!).

You should be focussing on veg that is 3g per 100g or less - although obviously there will be times when you want to use other veg. Just be aware of how carby they are. And some veg may appear to be not too bad - e.g. onions, at 7.9g carbs - but as they are quite dense, it can be easy to use a lot of them, and therefore eat a lot of carbs.

Veg (raw) Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms 0.4
Watercress 0.4
Spinach 0.8
Celery 0.9
Broccoli 1.1
Asparagus (raw, boiled or canned) 1.4
Cucumber 1.5
Lettuce 1.7
Fennel 1.8
Courgettes 1.8
Cauliflower 1.9
Avocado flesh 1.9
Turnip 2
Pumpkin 2.2
Runner beans 2.3
Swede 2.3
Celeriac 2.3
Bean sprouts 2.5
Green pepper 2.6
Baby sweetcorn 2.7
Aubergine 2.8
Leeks 2.9
Okra 3
Tomato 3.1
Mangetout 3.3
Shallots 3.3
Brussels sprouts 3.5
French beans 4.7
Cabbage 5
Yellow pepper 5.3
Carrots 6
Orange or red pepper 6.4
Ginger (peeled) 7.2
Butternut squash 7.5
Onions 7.9
Beetroot 9.5
Peas (frozen) 9.7
Broad beans 11.7
Parsnips 12.5
Potato 15.7
Garlic 16.3
Sweetcorn (canned) 26.6

OP posts:
HighJinx · 08/09/2013 11:53

I decided to start bootcamp a little bit early so yesterday I had

Breakfast: Bacon and egg
Lunch: Home made burgers with salad & low carb mayonnaise
Dinner: Aubergines stuffed with lambs mince topped with grated cheese.

Everything tasted amazing. This morning I had lost 2 1/2 pounds Shock

BIWI I think I love you - this is the best diet ever.

BIWI · 08/09/2013 12:00
Grin
OP posts:
bigkidsdidit · 08/09/2013 12:13

My sainsburys shop is coming. Salad, Brie, goats cheese, eggs, lamb chops, mince, chicken thighs, salmon. I'm so excited about this week's eating!

pixiegumboot · 08/09/2013 13:45

thanks biwi, I tend to drink decaf tea so perhaps will be OK?

PassTheTwiglets · 08/09/2013 14:01

Thanks so much for the veg info BIWI, that's fabulous.

Re. he olive oil, so it seems to be ok if used under smoke-pouinty. Has anyone looked at rapeseed oil? I seem to recall that this was considered a healthier oil than olive oil for cooking with... (I just can't get my head around butter being better than olive oil!)

Purple2012 · 08/09/2013 14:03

I usually weigh myself on a Wednesday but will have to do it early for this so will only have 5 days since the l weighed last time. Hoping I still get a decent loss.

BIWI · 08/09/2013 14:13

Butter is far better than olive oil - and tastes so lovely! Rapeseed oil is not a good one, from memory - but will see what I can find about it.

OP posts:
BIWI · 08/09/2013 14:14

BTW - I've set up the questions thread for next week here

OP posts:
CiderwithBuda · 08/09/2013 17:35

I'm assuming by preparing you don't mean eating all the carbs in the house? Which is what I am doing. Blush

But I feel huge and bloated. I am actually looking forward to getting back to bootcamp. About to plan menu for next week so I can do a shop tomorrow.

Quick question - DH did Sainsburys this week and I asked him to get the full fat Greek yoghurt but he got Greek style natural yoghurt. I assume its a no-no for bootcamp?

Last of the wine tonight. That is my big weakness. The last few weeks have been so stressful that I have been drinking much more than normal as a coping mechanism which isn't great. As a result I am not sleeping well either. Looking forward to sleeping properly and waking up full of energy.

BIWI · 08/09/2013 17:41

It depends what the carb count is, Buda.

Sorry life isn't helping you out at the moment. Wine is also my downfall Blush (Hah - I actually fumbled over my keyboard and typed [lush] to start with!!!)

OP posts:
toomuchicecream · 08/09/2013 17:55

Bugger - didn't get to Sainsbury's with my shopping list before it shut (went for a walk with a friend instead :) ) so I'll have to improvise tomorrow and go to the supermarket on the way home from work. When I'll be starving.... Think I'll need to leave egg mayo in the car all day so I can fall on it when I leave work so I don't hit the shop hungry!

StuntNun · 08/09/2013 18:41

Check the carb count Buda, it may be fine.

Purple2012 · 08/09/2013 18:46

Im on day 9 and really struggling today for the first time.

I am craving white crusty bread and butter. Will the cravings go? I am weighing in tomorrow 5 days after the last time and really worried about that.

WillieWaggledagger · 08/09/2013 19:14

Purple the crusty white bread isn't going anywhere - you can have it another time, leave it for now.

It won't make you feel good physically or mentally.

What are you worried about wrt weighing in?

kukeslala · 08/09/2013 19:23

Anyone else feeling shy to type in their weight...

Cocoaone · 08/09/2013 19:28

I'm dreading getting on the scales tomorrow. I know roughly what I weigh, but I think it will be a few pounds heavier than I'm guessing....

Do we just go onto google docs and put the start weight in there, or do we have to put it here too?

ImATotJeSuisUneTot · 08/09/2013 19:32

Purple - I had that feeling, butter-dripping toast was mine.

MrsH suggested I distract myself and think about how i'd feel tomorrow if I gave in.

It worked for me - I broke through and haven't craved since.

Purple2012 · 08/09/2013 19:46

I am worried I won't have lost any weight. I haven't given in and stuck to the right foods. Im drinking a lot more water.

I think also because I have pretty much eaten the same thing every day I am getting fed up. I just haven't had time to go right through the recipe books and get all the ingredients I need. I am just so busy all the time, usually doing stuff for other people. I just want a bit of me time to sort myself out.

BIWI · 08/09/2013 19:46

Cocoaoone and kukeslala - just put your weight on the spreadsheet - no need to confess it here! And if you're really shy about it, index it - your starting weight is 100, and you drop one for every pound that you lose.

OP posts:
kukeslala · 08/09/2013 19:48

cocoaone
Just had a quick look at the summer one, and looks like you just add to spread sheet.

kukeslala · 08/09/2013 19:54

purple
Only you can put yourself first! Im terrible at that and am forever putting someone else and their needs before mine, but trying to give myself a bit of time (and not feeling bad about it)!
Could you do a few mins each day and plan for the next day to start with?

BIWI
Im just going to suck it up! Thanks for the alternative though, that is a great idea.