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Autumn Low Carb Bootcamp - The Preparation Thread

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BIWI · 03/09/2013 18:15

So it looks like a whole host of us have signed up Grin

Some of you will be new to low carbing, others may have done it before but might need a bit of a reminder.

Certainly it is always good to start planning beforehand, so we can all get off to the best possible start.

Here goes:

For the whole of Bootcamp these are foods that you should not eat:

bread
rice
pasta/noodles
potatoes
flour
pastry
sugar
chocolate/sweets
biscuits/cookies
crisps

Beyond this there are only ten rules of Bootcamp. The idea behind this is to make it easy to follow - so no counting carbs and no weighing of anything. That said, it never does any harm for you to know how many carbs are in an average portion of anything, so you might want to weigh some of your portions to start with - but Bootcamp isn't about obsessive weighing and counting - it is supposed to be about normal and enjoyable eating.

The ten rules of Bootcamp are:

1. You must eat breakfast.
It doesn?t have to be a lot, and it doesn?t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).

After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.

A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ?if you are hungry, eat!?. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, bacon, pre-prepared burgers, Pepperami etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars. These products contain all manner of artificial ingredients, and often contain sugar. You should always check the carb counts of these foods if you are including them, as some of them can be surprisingly high (e.g. Tesco Chargrilled Burgers - per burger, fried, have 5.4g carbs)

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body?s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first).

Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3g carbs per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you drink tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!)

You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it.

Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from carblife . Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be

Your Weight--Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour.

However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead.

If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada

After Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later, when we move into Bootcamp Light - it can be too easy to start snacking on these, and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in Bootcamp - don't do it to yourself!

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ?no no?, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended.

Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

Allowed Veg

Look at the tabs on the bottom of the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness for these

The general rule of thumb is to focus on choosing veg that is 3g carbs per 100g; others, like onions, are allowed (because they are such a versatile veg), but are quite carby if you use too much.

Weighing

It's up to you how often you weigh - although Monday morning is our usual weigh-in day.

You can enter your weight in pounds or kilos on the spreadsheet. There is a useful converter on there as well. Or, if you prefer, you can index your weight. Your starting weight will be 100, and for every pound you lose, drop by one point.

Some people like to weigh daily, as they feel that it helps to keep them on track. This is fine, but remember that your weight naturally fluctuates on a day-by-day basis and can be affected by all kinds of things, especially your menstrual cycle. If you can't cope with seeing the scales show no change, or a slight increase, then don't do it to yourself! Far better to weigh just once a week.

The other thing to realise is that you can lose inches whilst the scales may show no change. I have no idea why! So it's a good idea to take your measurements before you start.

Or, find an item of clothing that is too tight right now, and keep trying that on every week. Our clothes are the most accurate way of monitoring weight loss.

Keep a food diary

It's really useful to do this. Keep an honest, accurate record of everything that you're eating and drinking, and annotate this with your weight. This way you will be able to look back and see what helped or hindered your progress. Mark on it if/when you have taken any exercise as well.

Be aware of carb flu

Some people find that the first few days of low carbing can be quite tough - you may feel headachey, tired and irritable - as if you are going down with the flu. Not everyone gets this, but a lot of people do. Things you can do to help:

  • try cutting down on your carbs over the next few days, before you eliminate all the key suspects; a gradual cutting down may help you (especially if you are a real carboholic!)
  • once we start Bootcamp, make sure that you are drinking plenty of water and eating plenty of fat
  • keep your electrolyte levels up. The key things you need to ensure you are eating are sodium, potassium and magnesium. Good sources of these foods are salmon, avocado and spinach. And make sure you're eating plenty of salt. Along with fat, this is something else that seems counter-intuitive! Try making a hot drink out of an Oxo cube, or Marmite/Bovril.
  • don't struggle on - if you have a headache, take some paracetamol (but avoid ibuprofen as this can impact on weight loss)

Do some reading about low carbing

There are loads of great resources on the Spreadsheet - links to websites, blogs and videos. Reading/watching these will help you to understand the science behind low carbing. This is important as you will soon find people questioning what you're eating/why you're eating so much fat, etc. You need to feel confident yourself that it's the right thing to do, but you also need to be able to answer those who will try and scoff at your diet.

Plan, plan, plan

This is not a WOE that is easy without forward planning. Especially if your day involves you needing to eat when you are out and about. Know where you can buy food from if you're on the go (Marks & Spender Simply Food is usually a good bet), or make sure that you have something to eat with you.

You will certainly, until you get into the swing of cooking low carb meals, need to think ahead about what you're going to cook, and to make sure that you have plenty of low carb foods in the house.

The recipe thread has some great and easy low carb things to cook . Feel free to add your own recipes - with carb counts if at all possible!

Hopefully all this will help. No doubt I've forgotten something Grin but if you have any questions, just ask.

I will set up a different thread each week, and I will also set up a separate question thread. From experience, the chat thread moves pretty quickly, so a separate question thread is a good place if there's something you really need to know.

There are lots of us who will be on Bootcamp who have been low carbing for a while now, so if you are in any doubt about anything, please ask.

Good luck everyone.

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BIWI · 09/09/2013 08:08

I agree, Purple - it looks like you're not eating enough, and certainly not enough fat. Are you using an oily dressing on your salad, for example? Chicken is a relatively lean meat, so you need to make sure that you are getting fat from other sources.

And yes, you do have to give up the diet drinks! have a read of this

As you say yourself, it is only 5 days since you last weighed. You won't lose weight every day - it simply doesn't happen like that.

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Purple2012 · 09/09/2013 08:14

I don't have dressing on salad. I really need to find time to go through everything and work out what to eat. I am trying really hard with the diet drinks. Hopefully in a few weeks I will have cut them out completely. Must try to have more fat! Thanks guys.

BIWI · 09/09/2013 08:22

You must have more fat, Purple - no trying about it! Low carb diets are supposed to be based around fat first, then protein and only then carbs.

What you have been doing, in effect, is following a low calorie diet. And calorie deprivation, ultimately, doesn't work. It will help you lose weight, but you will lose muscle as well as fat, and it slows down your metabolism at a rate that is disproportionate to the calorie deprivation. When you then return to higher calorie eating, your metabolism will be less effective at burning those calories, so the risk is that you not only return to your original weight but that you gain weight.

So you need to:

  • eat more
  • eat more carbs than you are doing now - your veg choices are very low in carbs, and you're not eating much veg anyway
  • add more fat - definitely an oily dressing and/or mayonnaise on your salads, and butter on your veg. Fry your chicken (I bet you're grilling it, aren't you?!) and think about adding a creamy sauce
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captainmummy · 09/09/2013 08:26

Purple - have you tried drinking fizzy water rather than artificially sweetened diet drinks? And yes, eat fat! Mayo, oily dressing, fry the chickn in butter, full-fat yoghurt. You need to get your body adapted to burning FAT rather than carbs , and you need lots of water to be able to do this efficiently.
Also - i think you are about a week or more ahead of us - BIWI cautions about a 'stall' in week 3/4, when you will not lose so much so fast, you need to be aware of this - and that it will pass.

Purple2012 · 09/09/2013 08:27

I did grill the the chicken but have just started frying it. Is pork a good meat to have? I will try that if it is.

I like the thought of mayo on salad. I was thinking of frying chicken in butter tonight and then making a sauce with cream cheese.

Purple2012 · 09/09/2013 08:28

Ive just started drinking fizzy water. Its an acquired taste! This week I will add more fat and see what the scales say next Monday.

prettybird · 09/09/2013 08:29

Purple - you are the only person I've come across on these threads who has complained about food being too dry on this Way of Eating. Normally, with the all the frying in butter, the creamy sauces, and oily dressings, it's a moist diet.

captainmummy · 09/09/2013 08:34

It's a complete head-turner, Purple. After decades of weight-control by low-fat, high carb foods, I was continuing to get heavier and heavier. When I found this thread, I could not beleive that the advice was to eat FAT! But it works, and when you understand the science behind it, i think the government advice about fruit and veg, high-fibre this and low-fat that is almost criminal. Low-fat is full of artificial sweeteners, fillers, thickeners, colourings, emulsifiers - how in Hell can that lot be 'better' for you than a natural full-fat yoghurt, or a porkchop with crispy fat?

Yes pork is fine - I know you will struggle with pork-belly, so would recommend a chop, fried in butter, or sliced up with a creamy sauce a la stroganov!

BIWI · 09/09/2013 08:49

Pork is a lovely meat, and very good for low carbing because it tends to be fattier. And a cream cheese sauce sounds fab!

Re the fizzy water, it's what I drink all the time when I'm not drinking gin and I find it much more thirst-quenching, as well as more interesting, than still water. Try adding a slice of lime or lemon to it, or even a slice of cucumber, for a little bit more flavour, if the lack of flavour compared with a diet drink is an issue

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Purple2012 · 09/09/2013 08:59

prettybird I have just gone back to eating meat after 25 years so I am of course experimenting and trying to find foods that I would not normally eat. Its not easy and I think I have done really well to even start eating meat so it is going to take time to adjust and get used to it. It is a major lifestyle change and if it was that easy everyone would find it easy to lose weight. I am determined to stick to this and hopefully get some good advice on here. I obviously don't know everything I should do as its all new to me.

Its not the lack of flavour I find strange with fizzy water, its the fizz but I well persevere and I will get used to it.

BIWI · 09/09/2013 09:20

This WOE is hard for anyone new to it, Purple, because it runs so counter to everything we have been told over the last 30 or so years. So switching from being a vegetarian as well must make this even harder for you. So anything you're not sure about, just ask.

I think it's funny that it's the fizz that you find strange, given that you normally drink fizzy diet drinks Grin

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prettybird · 09/09/2013 09:30

I wasn't having a go Purple - just obviously clumsily trying to reassure you that once you've got used to it, you'll find it the opposite of dry.

I know you don't want to eat too many eggs, but as a treat, I enjoy really creamy scrambled eggs. Cook the beaten egg really slowly in melted butter, stirring only very occasionally and then just before it is done, stir in some cream.

When I lived in France, they often used to serve as crudités radish with sweet butter and sea salt on the side. You would smear a sliver of butter on the radish and dip it in salt That might be one way of getting used to butter.

StuntNun · 09/09/2013 09:39

Maybe you could give coconut oil a try Purple, it might suit your palate better than butter, especially as you get used to eating meat again. Do you think you could eat a burger? The texture might be more appealing to you. I sometimes have a lamb or pork burger with dressed salad for lunch. My DH uses ready made salad dressings, just find the one with the lowest carb count. Or mix five spoons of extra virgin olive oil (Lidl have it cheap) with one spoon of wine/cider vinegar in a jar. Leave the jar in the fridge and give it a good shake before use. You can add mustard, salt and pepper if you like.

ZingWantsCake · 09/09/2013 10:02

is mayonnaise ok to eat? 1.5g carbs/100g
(Hellmann's)

WillieWaggledagger · 09/09/2013 12:42

yes, very definitely ok zing

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NigellasGuest · 09/09/2013 14:09

Breakfast: left over pork belly strips from last night's dinner

Lunch: boiled eggs with mayo

Dinner will be lemon sole baked in butter with braised fennel and mashed celeriac.

I think I will need some hand holding this evening when my usual craving for alcohol and chocolate kicks in.....

BIWI · 09/09/2013 14:16

pindorasbox - there's a link in my OP!

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BIWI · 09/09/2013 14:25
Grin

It's alright. It was a very long OP!

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HavantGuard · 09/09/2013 14:43

BIWI Guru, how is Tamari sauce on the carb front? The first google result brings up 9g for 100g, but as you'd be using 2 tablespoons at most (30ml) it's probably around 3g for four servings. Is that ok?

BIWI · 09/09/2013 15:38

That would be fine, Havant

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HavantGuard · 09/09/2013 15:47

Thank you! It's for the Nigel Slater pork belly recipe.

Also, is it ok to eat butter on its own? I know it sounds manky but I've never eaten the fat off meat and I've been taking a tablespoon of olive oil or a teaspoon of butter once a day to supplement my fat intake. Am I dieting or just odd?

captainmummy · 09/09/2013 15:52

havant - I sometimes do that Blush - or get coconut oil and drop a teaspoon in my rooibos black tea - or sliced cold cold butter on cheese or radishes

HavantGuard · 09/09/2013 15:55

Thank you. I feel better now Grin