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Jan 22 Low Carb Bootcamp - the final weigh-in!

399 replies

BIWI · 14/03/2022 09:16

Morning all.

Here, for its last outing this Bootcamp is the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

I know the last couple of weeks have been a bit quiet, and apologies for Covid-related absence from me as well, but it looks like this has been a pretty successful Bootcamp, which is great.

I don't know when the next Bootcamp will be, but probably won't be till around May at some point. However, we'll keep this thread going in the interim.

Don't forget to have a good rummage around the other threads in the Bootcamp topic in the interim, especially the recipe threads, as there's lots of useful stuff there.

And thank you to everyone who has posted, helped to support other posters and even those who have just lurked at the back! I genuinely wouldn't have even half the motivation to do this without you. This is a rather lovely little corner of Mumsnet.

Flowers
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BIWI · 29/03/2022 12:32

I also notice that the trolling re this issue is only happening in Bootcamp Hmm

As ever, many thanks to you @StuntNun. Very much appreciate your scientific understanding and experience. Flowers

And thanks to @BIWI

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BIWI · 29/03/2022 12:33

Hah! I actually typed @prettybird, so no idea why it appears that I'm thanking myself Grin

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MatchaTea · 29/03/2022 12:57

@prettybird

I am neither a statistician nor a medic nor a dietician nor an academic nor a parent of an autistic child but at a purely observational level, I would query a correlation between a HFLC diet and autism when the apparent rise in the prevalence of autism predates what is still essentially a niche diet (even if we find that it works Wink). Confused

It could be argued that the rise of autism diagnoses correlates very closely with the rise of high carb, high sugar, low fat diets Hmm

But even I know enough science to know that correlation does not equal causation Grin

Isn't there some real evidence that gluten (amongst other carbs) can have a negative impact on autistic kids? but not that it caused it I seem to recall reading about restricted diets. Sad

We can measure gene expression very precisely with microarrays or enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay and put it through some data processing. It is a measurement, not a point of view. It is expression levels and differential expression testing. It is empirical data, not an opinion.

Gene expression of 48 genes linked to ASD is altered in maternal High Fat Diet.

In summary, the presented results indicate a key role of maternal HFD during pregnancy and lactation in the disturbance of normal brain development, which may predispose offspring to the development of ASD symptoms. Exposure to a maternal HFD alters the transcription and translation of ASD-related genes mainly in male offspring, and these changes may result from epigenetic modifications (including the degree of CpG island methylation).

For those who want more details, on which genes:

" At PND 28 in the frontal cortex of male offspring from the HFD group, an increase in the expression of, inter alia, genes was observed, including Cttnbp2, Gabbr2, Nf1, Shank1, Syn1, Taok2 (involved in synaptic function [42,43,44,45,46,47]), Ankrd11, Ash1l, Baz2b, Crebbp, Setd1b, Kmt2e (involved in chromatin regulation [48,49,50,51,52,53]), Ankrd11, Btaf1, Med13l, Nf1, Spen, and Taok2 (involved in transcription regulation [49,54,55,56,57,58]). A majority of high-confidence ASD genes, including genes whose proper expression was disturbed in the frontal cortex of male offspring exposed to maternal HFD, are characterized by functional pleiotropy and play a key role in proper brain development and function [8]. The direction and lifetime point when pathways related to genes with pleiotropic functions are dysregulated will lead to different, even opposing, effects, resulting in neural and symptomatic heterogeneity reported in individuals with ASD [8]. "

Full text : www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8467420/

Gene methylation during pregnancy matters. In most cases, we don't know what causes hypo or hypermethylation. As an example, we know that hypermethylation of RASSF1A causes preeclampsia, but we don't know what causes the alteration of RASSF1A. A 2021 paper has brought light and data on the methylation of 48 genes linked to ASD , identifying the cause of the changes in maternal High Fat diet.

Great. New knowledge. Every time we get new data on the epigenome, we win. Bingo.

prettybird · 29/03/2022 13:02

So, I've finally clambered back on the wagon and am going to go all @ShagMeRiggins and remind myself fellow BootCampers....

Water, water, water GrinHalo

Toddles off to pour herself a glass Wink

StuntNun · 29/03/2022 14:45

@MatchaTea I believe your posts are derailing this thread which is a weight loss support thread and not a pregnancy or autism-prevention thread. May I suggest that you start a new thread, either here or in the general low carb section of Mumsnet, and tag interested parties so that they can have a detailed conversation if so desired.

Jezzballs2000 · 29/03/2022 18:20

Hello my dears, just saw this recipe and thought it could be easily adjusted to be LC. It uses icing shower for pastry but quite a small amount so i think a swap would work and milk chocolate for the ganache which could be swapped out for 70%. As for the bay leaf... not sure I'd bother 🤣

www.theguardian.com/food/2022/mar/28/milk-chocolate-bay-leaf-tarts-recipe-claire-ptak

SummerSazz · 29/03/2022 18:52

[quote StuntNun]@MatchaTea I believe your posts are derailing this thread which is a weight loss support thread and not a pregnancy or autism-prevention thread. May I suggest that you start a new thread, either here or in the general low carb section of Mumsnet, and tag interested parties so that they can have a detailed conversation if so desired.[/quote]
Here here @StuntNun 👏. Please do go somewhere else
@MatchaTea. As a peri menopausal woman your insight holds no interest for me. What does interest me is the fabulous bunch of women on here led by the wonderful @BIWI
who has quite frankly shown you far more patience than me.

We are here to support each other in healthy weighloss (which is working) and help each other though any falls of the wagon or share delicious recipes. Your interruption of this shows a lack of respect for us and is bordering on rude an invasive. I've sat on my hands just posting about my journey (another 1lb off today - yay!) and will continue to do this, hopefully in peace and that will mean other members feel more comfortable to step back in the room.

prettybird · 29/03/2022 20:14

@SummerSazz - as a post-menopausal woman, I'm not even bothering reading those posts any more Wink

I've learnt that it saves time (both in this topic and also on the Brexit threads) skimming past posts that are of no interest to me and/or which contribute nothing of relevance/are derailing the discussion Wink. I spend too much time on MN anyway Grin

NigellaAwesome · 29/03/2022 20:51

Hello everyone,

—ignoring and not commenting on the trolling— I have a NSV to report.

I was at the GP today and he said I was looking great, I had clearly lost quite a bit of weight, and that my skin was glowing. Smile

Honestly, if it had been anyone else other than my GP I would have thought they were chatting me up! Grin

Great to see you back on the thread @prettybird, I had noticed you weren’t about as much as usual.

My teeth are causing me problems at the moment. I had noticed a slight chip off one the other day, and think it was due to a pork scratching. Today a different tooth (molar) completely fell apart and I think it had also been damaged by previous pork scratching consumption. I think I need to learn from this.

ShagMeRiggins · 29/03/2022 21:36

@pinknsparkly

We've been away for the weekend and I've definitely not been able to stick to low carb as my food intake was controlled by other people. However, I'm comfortable with that, and with getting back on the low carb bandwagon today. I enjoyed the carbs I did eat, though not nearly as much as I thought I would, and don't feel guilty for having eaten them. It's been a lovely revelation to be able to have a weekend off from lowcarbing and not feel horrifically guilty and as if I've ruined all my good work so may as well faceplant into the largest Easter egg I can fine! For me, knowing I can have a weekend/week off (or at least being more flexible in the number of carbs I eat) is going to be key long term to me successfully sticking to this WOE.

@Bookaholic73 - there are a couple of blood sugar tests they can run depending on exactly what they are investigating. A fasting blood sugar test is a snapshot of your blood sugar at that exact moment, and is done fasted to get your baseline. The HbA1c looks at the sugar encapsulated in your red blood cells and is the standard check for diabetes. Since your red blood cells have a life expectancy of about 3 months, this result returns your average blood sugar over the last 3 months. It gives an indication of how good/fast your body is at breaking down sugar/carbs. HbA1c is what I have tested annually to check for diabetes (I had gestational diabetes so will be tested annually for life as GD massively increases my chances of developing T2 diabetes)

@carbibarbie - I've not read those papers in detail, but I would caution against assuming that any results from Rat/Mice models can be directly translated into humans. It is very common that research results from mice and rat models simply don't hold up when you test the same things in humans. Also, several of the papers that demonstrate that the use of a high fat diet causes autism in mice, also demonstrate that the mice given the high fat diet put on substantially more weight than those on the medium or low fat diets. Which suggests that these mice are also being fed more calories than the mice on the other diet (which makes sense as fat is more calorie dense per gram than carbs and protein) and therefore obesity could be causing the brain changes rather than the high fat diet. The only paper link that was provided which actually looks at human subjects (academic.oup.com/aje/article/178/2/209/122638) actually showed the complete opposite to the mice/rat studies and concluded that "Maternal intake of linoleic acid was significantly inversely associated with ASD risk in offspring, corresponding to a 34% reduction in risk in the highest versus lowest quartiles of intake. Mothers in the lowest 5% of ω-3 fatty acid intake had a significant increase in offspring ASD risk". I give my daughter omega 3 supplements on a daily basis, as they have been demonstrated to improve learning, eyesight and others. I certainly have no concerns about her having a high fat diet. I was also diagnosed with gestational diabetes at 16 weeks, so spent 24 weeks of my pregnancy on a moderate carb, high fat diet to control my blood sugar and my daughter is as bright as a button with no signs of autism!

WTF? Who knew pinknsparkly was a username that had analytical and science nous behind her?

I mean, I expect it from StuntNun and BIWI and many other dedicated posters, but I’m loving this response (and important debate) from someone called PinknSparkly.

Damn. I love this board, and those who are on it. Aye aye!!

ShagMeRiggins · 30/03/2022 14:08

Is this thing on? Helloooooo?

Sitting here drinking some water. Need loads more. Monday was great on water (Gold Medal wazzing for England standard), yesterday good but not quite there, today is serious catch up attempt so I’ll probably be at my tennis meeting in the pub excusing myself 100 times. Aargh.

Tonight’s dinner is sea bass with chimichurri sauce (leftover from Mother’s Day meal, with steaks), some mashed potatoes for the children, salad for me, and buttered fried leeks for all.

Snow predicted in my neck of the woods—how the hell did that happen?! Shock

prettybird · 30/03/2022 14:27

It was snowing up in Aberdeen this morning: ds sent a video to us this morning that he filmed from the Uni library window.

You've reminded me to go and drink some water Halo

ShagMeRiggins · 30/03/2022 19:32

Thanks prettybird. The mic seems to be malfunctioning! Grin

SummerSazz · 30/03/2022 19:34

@ShagMeRiggins good water for me today - oddly I'm better when I'm in the office than at home but tend to be hungrier when I'm there. Odd Confused.

Pan fried cod for me on a bed of sautéed leeks and Savoy cabbage with double cream, lemon and S&P. Very tasty and filling - couldn't finish it!

BIWI · 31/03/2022 09:51

Roast pork (and crackling!) for us this evening. I have some savoy cabbage that needs to be used up, and also a celeriac, so may make some mash out of that.

Hungry already!

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BIWI · 31/03/2022 10:52

The Seriously Low Carb Company has been around for 3 years now, and they've really moved on from their initial bread products.

Anyone fancy trying their 'mashed' potato? It's made using hearts of palm, which sounds intriguing!

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BIWI · 31/03/2022 10:53

(I'm not involved in the company and don't get commission, by the way! Grin)

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SpottyBumPony · 31/03/2022 11:36

I ordered some SLC bread and hot cross huns earlier in the week. Just waiting for the delivery now

BIWI · 31/03/2022 12:05

Grin @ hot cross huns!

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ParisNext · 31/03/2022 12:17

Just wanted to thank you for the boot camp. I’ve just been on and added my end data as I had a parent taken into hospital for the last 2 weeks of the camp and didn’t weigh. I’ve kept up until today instead though so Kate but better than never. I’ll keep going and see you all next time.

BIWI · 31/03/2022 12:24

You did really well @ParisNext! Hope your parent has recovered. Flowers

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SpottyBumPony · 31/03/2022 16:34

Hot Cross Huns = naysayers on our threads Grin

BIWI · 31/03/2022 17:50
Grin
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ShagMeRiggins · 31/03/2022 18:01

Right. This is a—what I would call, having lived in the USA south—‘come to Jesus meeting.’

I really need to quit alcohol, for a serious amount of time, if not forever.
I shall seek the Brave Babes Battlebus threads and won’t be hogging this lovely Bootcamp thread.

I just need to put this out now. Alcohol (not as bad as it might sound, I’m not drunk in a gutter) is interfering with my life and my weight loss.

Flowers Lots of good vibes to all.

SummerSazz · 31/03/2022 18:09

@ShagMeRiggins I got into drinking rather too regularly and have managed to curb it very well with 0% tanqueray with slimline tonic and a dash of grapefruit squash. I started with it in Jan and done well. This last week I've not had a drink since last Thurs and haven't really missed it which is amazing!

I think for me it's having a really pressured FT job and wanting something to 'close off the day'. Just having a nice drink in a bowl glass with ice seems to do the trick.

Good luck with it x

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