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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Week 3 - Leaving Lockdown Bootcamp

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BIWI · 25/04/2021 23:22

As ever here is the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

I rather suspect, given the confessions/visits by Cathy Twat, that a lot of Bootcampers aren't going to have much luck on the scales at the end of this week.

As I've warned, cheating really won't help - and this is a very unforgiving WOE. I have all my fingers and toes crossed that you will be lucky, and will see a good result on the scales, however. Or with the tape measure - or that you're fitting into your clothes better.

So now you have a choice

After the first two strict weeks of Bootcamp you can, if you wish, move on to Bootcamp Light. This means that you can re-introduce some fruit (mainly berries) and some nuts/seeds, and alcohol in moderation - and restricted to dry wine and clear spirits.

BUT

... you also need to remember/know that weeks 3 & 4 are notorious for seeing little or no weight loss - sometimes you may even see a slight gain.

So it's up to you if you want to relax things.

If you haven't been totally on plan over the last week, I strongly recommend that you stay on strict Bootcamp for another week

If you feel you're ready to move on, then you can go to full-on Bootcamp Light, or you could consider a hybrid - so strict Bootcamp during the week and then Bootcamp Light at the weekend.

Whatever your choice, I hope that week 3 is kind to you!

Please, please, please remember that this week/next week are our infamous 'Doldrums' and so don't be disappointed if you don't see any losses on the scales

This is also another good reason why you should be taking your measurements - the scales might not be moving, but your body shape may well be changing.

Anyway, whatever you decide, good luck! Flowers

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FinallyHere · 01/05/2021 14:58

Good to hear from you @ouchmyfeet

need to work my way to unconscious competence!

Oh, I've come over all nostalgic. I used to love those models. I may be in conscious competence at the moment, not daring to put a foot wrong. 😀

Absolutely @ElasticFirecracker Bootcamp does it all for you. Have a read of all those tabs on the spreadsheet )sorry, can't link, I've got my own copy of the original test I use all.the.time to check.

Hopeislost · 01/05/2021 16:26

@Stokey It depends on the milk. If you got it from one of the chain coffee shops then they all use sweetened almond milk which is v carby.

For those contemplating trainers with dresses, these M&S trainers (formerly worn by the Duchess of Cambridge) are in stock in some nice colourways. https://www.marksandspencer.com/ribbon-detail-lace-up-trainers/p/clp60369406?intid=mobileappppdpshare

Random789 · 01/05/2021 16:42

Talking of asparagus wee, did anyone else get Sugar Puff /Puffed Wheat wee when those cereals were still around?

Or ... Blush ... was that just me?

ListenLinda · 01/05/2021 17:05

Thanks everyone, today is a better day. He is eating a bit more today and moving around a little bit.
@FusionChefGeoff he got wise to the syringe about a year ago haha when he takes it he tolerates the spoon much better. We are done witg piggybacking the pain relief, just the antibiotics and the bladder spasm meds now.

Too much black coffee and not enough water today, but still got a bit of time to get as much down as possible.

BIWI · 01/05/2021 17:07

Apologies for absence. Remarkably I've been having a bit of a social life Grin

Went down to visit some friends and went to their lovely local pub for lunch. 4 friends we've only seen via zoom over the last year or so, so it was really good to be together in person. Very jolly time was had by all.

Right. Off to catch up with the thread.

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Timetobuckup · 01/05/2021 17:40

@ListenLinda When my son was about 18 months we were given 12 hours to get some antibiotics down him or he would have to have IV and although it is not ideal we put it in a carton of orange juice. It was bonkers but he was so untrusting of us coming near him with a syringe or spoon. We had to snip the corner off and pour half the juice away and then put the meds in and fold the corner down again.

It worked a dream but it did feel far too complicated . I hope he manages to take it soon.

Went to Arundel to see the tulips and managed to get round just before the rain began. I love Arundel but with all the covid rules the town is just not as much fun to be in. Looking forward to everything getting back to normal soon hopefully.

The family want a curry tonight , am I right in thinking that half a tandoori chicken would be fine ?

BIWI · 01/05/2021 17:51

@Andi2020 I had to have a 24hr blood pressure monitor on recently, which was a real pain. Did you sleep? Thankfully mine showed that I don't have high BP but that I do suffer from White Coat Syndrome!

@OnceUponAMidnightBeery Grin no I didn't go to school in South Wales!

@mermaidsariel and @Bestbees I'm sure this has already been answered, but it sounds like an electrolyte issue - potassium in particular, but also magnesium and sodium. Definitely try and get hold of a supplement if you can.

@Bestbees - really well done on reaching your lowest weight. I, too, find that I have to be careful with cream - very sadly.

@BSky maintenance is actually the hardest part, I think! A couple of pointers - when you reach the weight you want to be your target, you need to allow yourself a range either side, as your weight will fluctuate naturally - and also as you introduce more carby things, the weight may go up a little. I'd suggest a range of 7lbs. Second thing is to introduce carbier things gradually - so at one meal a day, for example, rather than at all three meals. And keep an eye on the weight - as soon as it reaches your 'ceiling' weight, go back to stricter eating. But don't, whatever you do, take your eye off the ball and think you can start eating pulses and bread (and pasta and rice and drinking wine ... !) because all that will happen is you go back to square one.

@Pleaseandthankyou it sounds like you're handling maintenance really well! The important thing is about making this WOE work for you as a longer term, lifestyle change. Inevitably there will be days when you decide to (or have to) go off plan - and it's fine. You have tools/strategies for dealing with that now! Smile

LOL at Gordon is a moron Grin and Jimmy the Trombone Grin @Random789 and @venusandmars!!!

@MotherBuckets sorry to hear about your DD. The teen years aren't much fun generally (I seem to remember), but anxiety and the current Covid situation must make things so much harder.

I really don't enjoy running either, but I had to accept that if I didn't heave my arse off the sofa that I was not doing myself any favours, health-wise. I'm hopefully back to the gym with my PT soon, so might cut the running down to just once or twice a week.

@SunsetSeaCow welcome back! Lots of posters confessing to their sins already - no need to disappear if you transgress Grin

@colouringindoors

is there anything I can do that I'm not already, to maximise loss. Don't want doldrums to get the better of me?

The key thing in week 3 and 4 (possibly 5 - prepare yourself for that!) is to make sure you're following the rules and not allowing carb creep. It's obviously working for you, despite no change on the scales! That's why we advise people to take their measurements as well as stepping on the scales. Just relax and make sure you're enjoying your food.

@TheHoover I'm the last person to ask for S&B advice Grin. But if you wear them with trainers out of work, would it not be possible to wear them at work? Trainers are very much a fashion accessory these days, are they not? If not actual trainers, then why not trainer-type shoes? these are an example of the kind of thing I was thinking of

Well done @prettybird - I'm sure you'll get there! How brilliant it will be to see the scales start with a 10 Smile

@Random689

I feel very mindful of the fact that science is in a 'corrective phase' at the moment -- rectifying an oversteering towards carbs and away from fat. There does seem to be a danger in some of the literature of overcorrecting, so that we demonise carbs too much. I imagine that eventually that will settle down a bit

I think we need to make sure that when we say 'carbs' we know which ones to be demonised! Absolutely nothing wrong, at all, with vegetables, salads and (most) fruit - or pulses and legumes. But sugar and wheat are very problematic.

@FusionChefGeoff re beetroot - I genuinely have no idea why pickled beetroot should be less carby than fresh stuff!

Re almond milk, no it doesn't count as dairy. No idea what else you could do with it - I don't like it very much so always end up throwing most of it away if I have bought any.

Glad to hear things are picking up for you.

@ListenLinda poor DS Sad I hope you find something that works for him soon.

@Stokey yes almond milk is allowed!

I seem to be eating loads compared to others on the thread but definitely feel like my tummy's getting flatter

The rule of thumb on Bootcamp is to eat enough to satisfy you. It's not a WOE that's about deprivation. Obviously that isn't carte blanche to over-fill your plate and stuff your face though!

Brilliant @MrsBertBibby! Flowers

@ElasticFirecracker

I've read on here 'keep away from the tracker' does this relate to a carb tracker? If so, why is it not good to track carbs?

This generally refers to My Fitness Pal which a lot of people use to track their calories (mainly) but also their carbs. It's entirely up to you if you want to track your carbs - but the idea of Bootcamp is that if you follow the rules then there should be no need to do that, as your carbs should be low enough for you to lose weight. That said, if you have no idea how many carbs are in your portions, then weighing and counting for a while is no bad thing.

(Just be aware, though, that the values given on MFP are not always accurate)

I was thinking I should probably start racking them because although I think I am following the plan, I don't think I am actually losing any weight

Why do you think this? Why do you think you're following the plan?! You either are or you aren't! Are you weighing and measuring yourself?

@BestIsWest and @FusionChefJeff - sorry to hear about your appointments. However, the NHS 2WW is a truly wonderful thing, which does mean you don't have to wait around forever worrying about things. Fingers crossed all turns out well for you both. (And very sorry to hear about your mum BestisWest)

Fingers crossed for you for a '1' on Monday @ouchmyfeet Flowers

Right. Phew! Off to make dinner now - back later!

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Bestbees · 01/05/2021 18:04

I k ow it's bad thread etiquette but just wanted to pop on and say that I saw a friend I haven't seen in a while today and she asked me if I had lost loads of weight! I was dead chuffed as it has been very slow, and small amounts for me!

As it is weekend and I am being more relaxed about snacks I had some cheese this afternoon. Will be interesting to see the impact.

TheHoover · 01/05/2021 18:54

Happy weekend everyone.
Oh poor you and your DS LInda - I'm amazed you're staying on plan.
Great to hear you've un-blipped yourself Ouch - hope you get in the zone and under your milestone soon.
Great SV MrsBert and NSV Bestbees

MrsK this is typical of my dresses - longer than a standard midi I guess. I wear boots like these with them in winter (black or tan, no way am I brave enough for white!) I am 5ft4 and although an hourglass I am much -podgierthicker than the model however if I find one that is generous in the arms and neat around the shoulders and bust it can hide all sorts of nonsense. BIWI some of those may just about be acceptable but I've had comments wearing plimsolls before. Thanks to nowlook I am lusting over the LKB Eevi's which look perfect except the price tag

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ditavonteesed · 01/05/2021 18:54

@BestIsWest and @FusionChefGeoff wishing you all the best for your appointments I can't imagine how stressful the wait is, thank god it's not too long.
@ListenLinda poor ds, I second the juice, or even mixed with yoghurt/chocolate pudding, I just remember a lot of sticky stains on the carpet when it come to medicine.
@Bestbees wow it's amazing when people notice isn't it, really bolsters your efforts.
@ouchmyfeet good luck with the 1, I love when a number changes in a significant way.
I have been tracking this week to see what my carbs are and I actually think they are a little too low for my thyroid (around 25-30gms most days) so I'm going to try upping them a little bit, this is when it gets scary because I don't want to undo all the work.
I am considering getting some renpho scales, does anyone have them and are they any good?

Rayna37 · 01/05/2021 18:54

Great food day, still on the water as been out at the zoo all afternoon.

B: egg in a cup (3, actually a bowl)
L: salad! I normally dodge it at the weekend after boring work lunches but made a lovely avocado, mozzarella balls, olives antipasti type thing on spinach.
D: Lazy/deconstructed chicken Kiev: I put the garlic butter on the accompanying green beans rather than faffing to get it inside the chicken breasts. I love the ground almonds/flaxseed/Parmesan coating though. Celeriac chips. Small glass of red.

ditavonteesed · 01/05/2021 18:55

@TheHoover I would wear that dr3ss with my velvet vans, they are dressier than trainers but still mega comfy.

StuntNun · 01/05/2021 19:00

But of an odd food today today as I had an early brunch and then lunch but had different soups at both.
Brunch: two cheese muffins with lashings of butter, cauliflower soup, piece of dark chocolate.
Lunch: French onion soup with a slice of Schneider Brot protein bread (Asda have started stocking it again - 4g carbs in a slice), glass of kefir, small piece of Cheddar.
Dinner: rump steak and salad with oil and vinegar dressing.

Andi2020 · 01/05/2021 19:12

@BIWI no sleep I'm already on a bp tablet but thankfully the 24 hour monitor only showed too high when I was having a rant with teenage dd my gp said it must have been some rantGrin
Nice to hear some of you getting out to eat.
We not getting that yet
Some restrictions lifting on the 10th so have hair booked for the 12th
My work opens again on 17th hoping I can continue to work from home as in office for non essential retail

BestIsWest · 01/05/2021 19:43

I bought some frozen cauli rice from Tesco today - first time I’ve tried it. I added a knob of butter and some ground cardamom and turmeric to the rice and it was gorgeous. I am a convert! Had a really lovely chicken curry with it too.

ListenLinda · 01/05/2021 20:22

Food is the one thing I can control right now @TheHoover Smile
So much so I stayed strong when all around me were eating McDonalds today smug DS insisted on feeding me chips so did the old pretending and ‘mmm delicious’ Wink

Makegoodchoices · 01/05/2021 20:45

Super grumpy weird day today. Was excited about the bank holiday but I didn’t get around to organising things with friends and now the husband informs me we’re off to the MIL’s on Monday. I think I’d rather be at work!

B: Greek yog
L: mozzarella avocado salad
D: Mexican chicken with more avocado

The acid reflux is getting extreme now. Might have to see a GP.

cheeseisthebest · 01/05/2021 21:23

I have the renpho scales! Would recommend them.

Moonswimmer · 01/05/2021 21:42

@ditavonteesed I have the Renpho scales too and really like them. Mostly I like the fact that they send my weight straight to a app on my phone and put it into a little graph for me to mull over later.

Moonswimmer · 01/05/2021 21:43

Plus the fact that is my weight stays the same then there is usually some other measurement which has gone down through a threshold. That is reassuring too.

prettybird · 01/05/2021 21:46

Supper tonight: pan fried venison with a cranberry and red wine jus, asparagus would've been from the garden but I'd already bought some, garlic buttery French beans and celeriac chips, served with a fabulous bottle of South African red wine (Leeuwenkuil Reserve Red, for those that are interested Wink). Delicious!!!

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MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 01/05/2021 21:49

Good evening. Having a catch-up now.

ThanksFor you & your little boy @ListenLinda

Congratulations @MrsBertBibby ! Excellent bank holiday treat 

I've never had asparagus wee! Small mercies.

Just read @prettybird's bit of research, and am now concerned that I can't accurately judge my own wee-whiffiness...

@BestIsWest I'm so very sorry to hear about your mum's diagnosis.

Also, I meant to say to @FusionChefGeoff , the wait for the test results is the worst. It's extremely likely to be nothing, but you'd be very welcome over on the Big C thread. Most newbies are there to get support through the testing, and most end up leaving again. They're a nice bunch.

@ouchmyfeet I've mentioned it on here before, but really do have a read about the WOOP method. It's designed to get you last that 'conscious incompetence' you're talking about. I learned about it on a Yale course called 'The Science of Well-being' on a site called Coursera. The course is free, but you do sound a teensy bit busy, so...

I had a big baking success today with Lonjevity low-carb ultra-fine flour. I made a delicious spiced fruit loaf in the bread maker! I've attached the ingredients list (I've got a Panasonic). I put the warm water in first, then the butter (which melt s a bit), then the milk and the rest. I put in double the yeast, and also two tsp of baking powder, and LOOK!

It was bloody lovely, but now I've got a questionable tummy. Think it's the insulin. Worth it though!

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MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 01/05/2021 21:49

Inulin, not insulin.

MrsKoala · 01/05/2021 22:12

Sorry all I’m on my phone with a dodgy connection as I’m staying at our brand new holiday flat in Bexhill we got a studio right near the beach and are doing ‘indoor camping’ on air beds but with a working bathroom and kitchen! Brought picnic food for lunch but went for an itailian for dinner, goats cheese stuffed portobello mushroom, saltimbocca veal and broccoli, and dolce latte for pudding, 2 glasses of white wine. All overlooking the sea. So good. Even if it rained 3 times and I refused to abandon my dinner!! 😂

(@Oneborneverydecade how funny about The Bell. It really is a lovely pub. Did you stay in a pod? We were toying with the idea but it seems strange to stay only 30 mins away from home. But it’s so near bedgebury pinetum I would say a walk there in autumn to see all the colours then a cosy night in a pod at the bell would be a pretty amazing experience. Also Ticehurst has a good salvage yard and we’ve had 2 gorgeous fireplaces from there.

@TheHoover sounds like your midis might sit more like maxis with your height and boots. Maybe if your an hourglass can you add a belt to do a gok wan and show off your waist (and bangers 🤮)

Covid10lbs · 01/05/2021 22:34

@MrsBertBibby that is fab. Some lbs definitely count more than others.

Quick food post:
I cycled this morning, so energy ball & coffee on break
B: 3 eggs feta & spinach
L: Yogurt and peanut butter
D: BBQ minute steak and green veg
Keto treat & tea (because it's the weekend & I fancied a treat, & I'm still rewarding myself with food Hmm)