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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread

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BIWI · 17/01/2021 21:49

Welcome everyone! Hopefully you've found the easing-in week helpful, and it's given you time to get all the Christmas carby stuff out of the way, and to plan for this WOE (way of eating).

Here's a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness which is managed and cherished by The Very Lovely @AthelstaneTheUnready. If your name isn't on there, and you want it to be, just add your name to the bottom of the list. Don't try and insert it in the right alphabetical place, and DON'T TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

(If you're using your phone you'll probably have to download the Google Sheets app to be able to access the spreadsheet.)

Before we get going, I need to post my disclaimer:

I am not a medic and I have absolutely no scientific training (beyond O-levels in Biology, Chemistry and Physics!). I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist. The advice given here is based on my own experiences as well as lots and lots of reading, but you follow it at your own 'risk'. I hope it's not a risk, but you know what I mean! If you are taking any medication currently, especially if you're hypertensive or a diabetic, please discuss this with your GP or practice nurse; low carbing should help to lower your blood pressure and can help lower your blood sugar levels, which would mean that the dosage you're taking may need to be reduced.

So let's get going ...

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs (or calories). There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar fizzy drinks/squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa, and then only after the first two weeks of Bootcamp)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp, you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food at mealtimes then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3-4g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

So having dealt with the rules, what else do we need to think about?

The key to success is planning and preparation.

First thing is to get rid of anything in your cupboards/fridge/freezer that might tempt you. (As far as you can, give it to other members of your household!)

Next, plan what you're going to eat, and make sure you have all the ingredients that you need. If you need any inspiration, go and browse the recipes which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic.

If you don't know anything/much about low carbing make sure you read up about it. It's really important that you understand the science behind it and how it works. Have a look at the spreadsheet, and you'll see on there (on one of the tabs) a whole load of resources - videos, articles, websites etc - which are invaluable.

One of the truly amazing things about a low carb diet is that it will bring many health benefits beyond just weight loss - and you can read about those there.

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BIWI · 18/01/2021 09:36

@pinkpinkeverywhere

Morning, just starting today, first ever bootcamp and I'm pescatarian so trying to pull together a list of meals that will suit but have been out and bought a fridge full of low carb food so shouldn't be hungry. First questions:
  • am I ok with tea and coffee if I have no milk or sugar/sweetner in it?
  • are there any cordials I can drink?
  • should I try to avoid cheese or should I see how it effects me (or should I avoid for the first 2 weeks?)

Thank you for any answers.

B - Scrambled eggs, mushrooms, smoked salmon
L - Tuna mayo in little gem leaves and cucumber
D - Salmon fillet, spinach in garlic butter, broccoli with chilli flakes

Welcome @pinkpinkeverywhere!

Go and have a look at the fish recipe thread Plenty to inspire you there I should think.

You are fine with tea and coffee with no milk or sugar/sweetener.

Re cordials, the only one that I've found that doesn't have artificial sweeteners or sugar is PLJ . However, this has 1.08g carbs per 100ml (diluted as recommended). That may not sound much, but 100ml is not very much - so you'd quickly be consuming a lot of carbs in your drinks. Our aim on Bootcamp is to get our carbs mainly from vegetables and salad. Instead, why not try putting slices of lemon or lime or cucumber into a jug of water? That gives ordinary water an extra bit of taste.

No need at this stage to avoid cheese. Just see how you go with it.

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prettybird · 18/01/2021 09:38

@ouchmyfeet - re drinking water I found it helped if every time I went up the loo, I drank 2 (or even 3) glasses of water, in addition to the electrolyte water and herb/ordinary teas I had over the day. So getting to my target became a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy Wink - especially in the early days while your cells are releasing water and your kidneys adjust Grin

Having gone through the initial "going to the loo all the time especially during the night" stage, I now have to make more of an effort and keep a pint of water poured in the kitchen and make myself drink it when I pass it. By making every second one an "electrolyte" one (with Lo-Salt and a squoosh of lemon juice), it helps me keep count too Smile

BIWI · 18/01/2021 09:41

@VeryLittleOwl is absolutely right about taking photos to help track your progress. Numbers on the scales are one thing, but photos make your weight loss much more tangible.

And with her permission, I'm going to post a series of her photos that she took, to demonstrate what a stone lost looks like.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread
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Motivateinmotion · 18/01/2021 09:44

It’s taking me a long time to warm up each day. Heatings up to 24 (the family are not happy) and I’m sat on the radiator. A quick google suggests this could be carb flu? If I start the day with a hot cup of Oxo will this sort out the electrolytes? Can I drink Oxo whilst fasting?

BIWI · 18/01/2021 09:49

Yes and yes! Your electrolyte balance is really important to sort out and the amount of carbs/calories in one Oxo cube will be negligible. Make sure you're using plenty of salt - in your cooking and on your food.

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missboots · 18/01/2021 09:51

@BIWI
Thanks. I usually have a tablespoon of each with my yoghurt and berries. Obviously berries are out, but was just wondering if I can have seeds with my plain yoghurt.

MaudesMum · 18/01/2021 09:51

Hi! I did some easing-in last week (which meant finishing off the packet of oatcakes, and some, ok quite a lot of, wine). My target for this bootcamp is - as last time - getting back into more of the clothing in my wardrobe. I'm currently fitting into three pairs of jeans, and tbh one of those is a bit tight. So, I'll do the same thing as last time - have jeans-trying on sessions every few weeks to measure progress. Menu for today:

B: greek yoghurt with cinammon
L: roasted squash, ginger & garlic soup. A couple of fingers of cheese
D: cauliflower & celeriac mash, with fried bacon (& possibly leek)

BIWI · 18/01/2021 09:53

[quote missboots]@BIWI
Thanks. I usually have a tablespoon of each with my yoghurt and berries. Obviously berries are out, but was just wondering if I can have seeds with my plain yoghurt.[/quote]
For the next two weeks you'll need to do without! Sorry!

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GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 18/01/2021 09:53

@missboots

Slightly terrified about what someone said up thread about going only very slightly off plan over Christmas and putting on 6lb despite only having a couple of roast potatoes and a bit of dark chocolate!

Quick question about not having nuts/seeds for these couple of weeks - does that include chia seeds and flax seeds?

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean to freak you out! I'm probably in denial about how much I had anyway, especially where wine is concerned. Plus I've barely left the house since my area went into Tier 4 before Christmas, so my activity levels are pretty much zilch.

The good news is it's coming off again now I'm back on it. And also, because in my first two bootcamps I lost 3 stone (double my original goal), even with the gain I was still a very healthy weight for my height, and weighed less than my lowest pre-Bootcamp weight. So I could afford to have wine and roasties. Grin

Doilooklikeatourist · 18/01/2021 09:54

Manned to stand on the scale and open my eyes to see the shocking numbers
Anyway , all change starting today , I did make a few changes last week , lots of water and lemon and ginger tea drunk
Measured my waist ( and I second the idea of photos ) and even though I weigh more than start of October Bootcamp , my waist is 3 inches smaller , still a shocking 34 inches ,, better than 37 though !
B scrambled eggs
L leek and courgette soup
D leftover pork , roast cauli and anything else green I get my hands on
Water , water , water 💧

Motivateinmotion · 18/01/2021 09:54

@ouchmyfeet I bought a 1L water bottle from the £1 shop and carry it everywhere with me. Drinking mindlessly whilst scrolling MN, working, watching TV and find it easier to refill and meet my quota that way

Justcallmecaptainobvious · 18/01/2021 09:55

@ouchmyfeet I have to drink 4.5L, we can do this! I’ve downloaded a water tracking app, which is helpful to tick it off as I go. I have a water bottle with 250ml increments marked, what’s worked for me before is to always drink 250ml at a go - not relying on sipping.

@BIWI geez, I’m on maternity leave, I thought I’d escaped SMART objectives. Should we set KPIs too Grin. (Actually I’m so well trained I think I’ve mentally set KPIs and identified key risks and mitigations already...)

AndreaMartel · 18/01/2021 09:59

Morning all.

Its great to read all the messages here. And thanks for sharing the photos VeryLittleOwl. Really makes an impact. Must admit to be being a little horrified at the idea of taking photos given that i normally go to great lengths to avoid cameras but might give it a go.

Congrats to @CowGurl. That must feel like quite an achievement.

I am starting with a an overflowing fruit bowl as i had decided to "diet" a couple of days ago but had posted on MN saying i was so hungry. Someone suggested joining bootcamp. I'm having to catch up a little with the background but the list of food rules seems quite simple. Also thinking i can pinch other people's meal plans.

I have been feeling so sluggish recently so really looking forward to a huge change of diet.

(Will feed the fruit to my children)

AthelstaneTheUnready · 18/01/2021 09:59

SPREADSHEET ALERT

PLEASE don't add 'comment's to the spreadsheet. It leaves a tag with your real name on.

I'll take it down briefly to remove this, and then link again.

MrsMcBoatface · 18/01/2021 10:00

Thanks all, especially BIWI and Altherod! I'm looking forward to making this a luxurious experience, I've done low carb before with good results. Recent gain is due to doing Dry January.. this is big for me, haven't gone this long without drinking for years, and I coped by drinking massive hot chocolates in the evening. Great inspiration on the spreadsheet!

BIWI · 18/01/2021 10:03

Sorry @Justcallmecaptainobvious Grin

I'm retired now, and I really don't miss business-speak!

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 18/01/2021 10:04

NEW LINK TO SPREADSHEET:

NEW SPREADSHEET LINK

Unfortunately because of the way googledocs works, I can't restrict comments on a shared document - so do please be careful with those thumbs!

OneFootintheRave · 18/01/2021 10:04

@Motivateinmotion

It's cold where I am too. Every 40 mins or so I get up and do 5-8 mins of boxing with weights, squats, burpees etc while the kettle boils for a fruit tea. Keeping warm, doing exercise and getting water down me.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 18/01/2021 10:07

[quote Turnedouttoes]@Bestbees my DP has also requested an Indian at the weekend so I’m looking for ideas of tasty things to order. My usual order is a chicken tikka masala mopped up with lots of naan bread Blush

Plan for tomorrow is -
B - porridge (to help with my keto rash, not allowed in Bootcamp usually)
L - ham salad
D - chicken curry with kale and spinach

Thank you to everyone who has helped with my keto rash the last few days. I’ve had some carbs yesterday and today and it’s a million times better than when I had it a few months ago so they’re definitely helping. Will be monitoring my carbs closely over the next few days to keep an eye on it. I’m presenting at a couple of virtual events this week for work so need to get through those without itching!

Also for anyone new to Bootcamp, please don’t be put off by my experience. I’ve low carbed lots of times before and never even experienced carb flu before and had brilliant results so I have no idea why my body is suddenly reacting like this! It’s definitely a very rare side effect.[/quote]
I'm so glad you're feeling better! It sounded dreadful Thanks

AthelstaneTheUnready · 18/01/2021 10:08

[quote OneFootintheRave]@Motivateinmotion

It's cold where I am too. Every 40 mins or so I get up and do 5-8 mins of boxing with weights, squats, burpees etc while the kettle boils for a fruit tea. Keeping warm, doing exercise and getting water down me. [/quote]
Shock

I go and sit on the aga for a minute Blush

ouchmyfeet · 18/01/2021 10:08

Thanks @BIWI @Justcallmecaptainobvious @prettybird @Motivateinmotion

I have a big jug on my desk which I have been drinking from since about 8:30 and it's almost empty so I think I've drunk about a litre already. I will get there, I know I will need to do it consciously for a while. I guess it's good that I'm sitting at a desk all day so shouldn't forget. I am a long term yo-yo dieter, I know how much water helps

BurningGubbins · 18/01/2021 10:14

Morning All, checking in for my third bootcamp in a row. I lost 3 1/2 stone last year (including the weight I put back on over Christmas. It works! For me personally it’s important to stick to the rules and not try to “game” the process, even when we move to bootcamp lite. So I don’t have LC breads or anything like that as I think it would be a slippery slope for me. Once I am at my target weight I will start experimenting.

I am about 1/3 of the way through The Case for Keto by Gary Straubes, which makes a compelling case for this way of eating.

Margaritawithlime · 18/01/2021 10:16

Eugh. Not a great start to week one here. Smallest cocktail didn’t sleep at ALL I was up with them from 2-4:30 am proper zonked and now homeschool. Hoorah.
Still I have a plan and I shall stick with it.
Lots of coffee today
B: smoked salmon and scrambled eggs
L: two sausages and some lovely roasted Savoy cabbage
D: fish pie from the fish thread.
Hopefully enough to see me into bed tonight.

BIWI · 18/01/2021 10:20

My goodness @Margaritawithlime, I'd be knocking the homeschooling on the head to day and just put the telly on!

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MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 18/01/2021 10:22

@AthelstaneTheUnready

SPREADSHEET ALERT

PLEASE don't add 'comment's to the spreadsheet. It leaves a tag with your real name on.

I'll take it down briefly to remove this, and then link again.

Eek! I think that was me! Sorry.

Had a bit of a fluttery panic when my access changed, then my name disappeared.

I'd just downloaded google sheets onto my phone, & was trying to work out how to add my weight.

Sorry @AthelstaneTheUnready