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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread

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BIWI · 17/01/2021 21:49

Welcome everyone! Hopefully you've found the easing-in week helpful, and it's given you time to get all the Christmas carby stuff out of the way, and to plan for this WOE (way of eating).

Here's a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness which is managed and cherished by The Very Lovely @AthelstaneTheUnready. If your name isn't on there, and you want it to be, just add your name to the bottom of the list. Don't try and insert it in the right alphabetical place, and DON'T TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

(If you're using your phone you'll probably have to download the Google Sheets app to be able to access the spreadsheet.)

Before we get going, I need to post my disclaimer:

I am not a medic and I have absolutely no scientific training (beyond O-levels in Biology, Chemistry and Physics!). I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist. The advice given here is based on my own experiences as well as lots and lots of reading, but you follow it at your own 'risk'. I hope it's not a risk, but you know what I mean! If you are taking any medication currently, especially if you're hypertensive or a diabetic, please discuss this with your GP or practice nurse; low carbing should help to lower your blood pressure and can help lower your blood sugar levels, which would mean that the dosage you're taking may need to be reduced.

So let's get going ...

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs (or calories). There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar fizzy drinks/squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa, and then only after the first two weeks of Bootcamp)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp, you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food at mealtimes then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3-4g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

So having dealt with the rules, what else do we need to think about?

The key to success is planning and preparation.

First thing is to get rid of anything in your cupboards/fridge/freezer that might tempt you. (As far as you can, give it to other members of your household!)

Next, plan what you're going to eat, and make sure you have all the ingredients that you need. If you need any inspiration, go and browse the recipes which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic.

If you don't know anything/much about low carbing make sure you read up about it. It's really important that you understand the science behind it and how it works. Have a look at the spreadsheet, and you'll see on there (on one of the tabs) a whole load of resources - videos, articles, websites etc - which are invaluable.

One of the truly amazing things about a low carb diet is that it will bring many health benefits beyond just weight loss - and you can read about those there.

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 21/01/2021 19:56

@StuntNun

Athelstane any water in the cauliflower must have cooked off as it was dry like that at the end of the cooking time. It will be perfect for me for movie nights where I fancy a snack because my DCs are tucking into tortilla chips or something equally tempting. Also my DH hates cauliflower so I wouldn't have to share lol!
Ah, cracking, thank you Stunt. I may be a little obsessed about this issue as a) I hate watery veg, and b) I'm relying on freezer veg for a bit.

Will try that tomorrow, thank you!

AthelstaneTheUnready · 21/01/2021 20:04

@BIWI I heard you on the Mosely zoom chat - you're such a cuddly speaker!

Mosely reminds me of my father (a surgeon, but really, most medics I've met...) - give them a key word and they're off! Waffling for England straight down a course of their choosing, regardless of who's yelling and waving and gesticulating from the sidelines. Full focus to the end (full stop), then looking around wondering why no-one's with them Grin

NoraEphronsNeck · 21/01/2021 20:09

For those saying they can't have soup because they always want bread with it, I find if you add a generous dollop of butter as you serve it you still get all that lovely melted butter the same as you would by dipping crusty bread in.

Unless you have yours without butter - in which case, as you were Grin

cheeseisthebest · 21/01/2021 20:24

I don't miss bread with soup but I do stir in a bit of olive oil so similar to the butter.
Thank you for the tip about mouth ulcers, interestingly my husband is vegan (lot of vegan hate on here! Wink) but since doing low carb I've increased how much meat I've been eating. I love meat!

I'm struggling a bit today, TOTM and I just want to eat and I am craving sugar.

cheeseisthebest · 21/01/2021 20:48

Today I've eaten
Breakfast boiled eggs and ham
Lunch chicken, cheese and salad
Dinner vegan goulash with Greek yoghurt. Had lots of veg in.

Still hungry not sure what to have. Looking at that I dont think I've had much fat today.

Doilooklikeatourist · 21/01/2021 21:10

@Justcallmecaptainobvious , I call the clearing out the bottom of the fridge soup ( or stew or stir fry ) a .
"Bung It Soup " because I just bung it in the sauce pan , with a knob of butter , stock , sea salt crystals and black pepper
Today's was courgette , onion , leek and leftover cauliflower cheese , blended , and with some leftover chicken and a large glug of cream was absolutely delicious
Had salmon with buttered kale tonight ,

Could never be vegan as I love cheese too much

Definitelymaybeee · 21/01/2021 21:24

I'm afraid I am guilty of lurking this week. Completely unintentionally but by the time I get the chance to sit down and catch up with all of the posts I'm too exhausted to say anything. Sorry; must try harder.
Definitely a lot of vegan hate tonight 😒 Hoping that as a veggie, almost vegan, this WOE is going to work for me. Having a few doubts now but I haven't had any problems so far so going to stick with it and hope all of my efforts pay off.

oscarandelliesdad · 21/01/2021 21:38

Definitely maybeee
I will come out of lurking with you. I've been keeping on keeping on but scared off browsing mumsnet by all the covid chat. ..am going to block the board (when I remember how)
Today has been better for cravings, I would have gnawed off a limb for a bit of potato yesterday but pushed through with copious mint teasHalo
B- eggs, mushroom and spinach
L - smoked salmon with more eggs and a pot of Greek yogurt
D- creamy chicken and kale type thing with stir fried onions and green beans. When should the sugar cravings start to subside, do you all think?

AthelstaneTheUnready · 21/01/2021 21:39

@Definitelymaybeee

I'm afraid I am guilty of lurking this week. Completely unintentionally but by the time I get the chance to sit down and catch up with all of the posts I'm too exhausted to say anything. Sorry; must try harder. Definitely a lot of vegan hate tonight 😒 Hoping that as a veggie, almost vegan, this WOE is going to work for me. Having a few doubts now but I haven't had any problems so far so going to stick with it and hope all of my efforts pay off.
Ahhh, don't say that. It's not 'hate'. Not in the slightest. If it works for you, that's fab!

There are some doubts whether veganism is healthy for everyone, and lots of debate about the pros and cons of different sorts of food production. But no hate. Flowers

Dailyhandtowelwash · 21/01/2021 21:41

I have vegan friends! I love them. Welcome.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 21/01/2021 21:41

(unless you're talking about the Bloody Squirrel thread, and that's not vegan-hate, that's squirrel-hater-hate Grin )

oscarandelliesdad · 21/01/2021 21:44

Athelstanetheunready I love your name Grin

AthelstaneTheUnready · 21/01/2021 21:51

@oscarandelliesdad

Athelstanetheunready I love your name Grin
Thank you, but Walter Scott thought of it first. I've just borrowed it.
ChristMyArse · 21/01/2021 21:53

Evening all,

B - chicken with Mayo salad (more like lunch time)
L - 2 x black farmer sausages with buttered spinach
D - Greek yoghurt with cinnamon

4 litres.

Have not RTFT as can't keep my eyes open so saving previous posts for the morning.

KOKO!

ouchmyfeet · 21/01/2021 21:58

B - boiled eggs
L - fried veg with nduja, topped with cheese and served with green salad
D - salmon fillet with fried leeks and mushrooms

I've felt really full all day today but made myself eat 3 meals. Don't feel great now so I won't force it tomorrow and may fast until lunchtime.

Craving sweet things but consoling myself with a creamy coffee Brew

GorgeousGoldies · 21/01/2021 22:02

@Definitelymaybeee I would love to know what sort of things you eat on LCHF as a near vegan? I’d really like to cut down on animal products too.

prettybird · 21/01/2021 22:18

Dr Mosley said last night that it was difficult to do the Fast 800 on a Vegan diet, as it was difficult to get enough protein into the calorie limit. He then explained the importance of protein. (He also said he was trying to reduce his meat consumption, particularly ruminants, because of concern over the carbon footprint).

We don't calorie constrict on Boot Camp so a near Vegan diet is probably easier. But it remains important to continue to include a decent proportion of protein.

Personally, I like my meat too much Wink

Today's food was: lunch of 2 pieces of bacon (dh was making bacon rolls) and a big portion of home made coleslaw (finally got round to making a batch after all the talk of coleslaw earlier on Wink). Snacks of emmenthal, salami and Pepperami (I share BrassicaBabe's bad habit Blush). Supper was leek and shallot frittata - with plenty left over. While it was cooking, I had some more coleslaw before getting it into the fridge Wink

kilojules · 21/01/2021 23:11

Sorry if it's been mentioned lots before. I'm new to this so struggling to find the info on what I can use for electrolytes.

I decided to take the work out of figuring out what to eat for the first week so did 3 days of the egg fast and started the IBIH keto soup diet which I'm planning to do for another 4 days (hopefully)

It's day 4 I've clearly got the keto flu as feel rubbish!

I've looked up online electrolytes recipes but don't have half the stuff and would prefer natural stuff and not be filling myself with potassium citrate and the likes.. any tips much appreciated

prettybird · 21/01/2021 23:24

I'm going to warn you that BIWI will be getting out the Big Stick for doing an egg fast in Week 1 Shock Where are the FLGV? (Fuck Load of Green Veg).

Even I, an experienced Boot Campet who actually enjoys egg fasts Wink wouldn't dream of doing an egg fast in the strict introductory two weeks. Shock

Re electrolytes: I make my own with every second pint glass having a good shake of Lo:Salt and a wee squoosh of lemon juice ( StuntNun says the lemon juice isn't strictly necessary but it makes it more palatable for me).

kilojules · 21/01/2021 23:57

@prettybird thanks for the electrolyte tip! Will go make some!
Didint realise egg fast was a no-no! Whoops! Only did 3 days as I'm not a fan of no veg or green either! Or a fan of eggs Confused but I needed to go hard to get me started as my well intentioned easing week ended up with toast and butter, pizza and a bag full of sweet and salted popcorn at the weekend. Epic fail!

prettybird · 22/01/2021 00:02

@kilojules - you might escape the Big Stick with your reply Wink

I'll add in what I'd meant to include in the post: ho back and re-read the OP and the Rules. They really will help Smile

I did of course mean in my case a pint glass of water to which I add Lo:Salt & a tiny amount of lemon juice in case that wasn't obvious Grin

kilojules · 22/01/2021 00:20

For a moment I had visions of me chewing through a pint of lo salt and lemon Grin never mind the keto flu just get me through the salt coma! GrinGrin

ShagMeRiggins · 22/01/2021 04:33

My god, this thread. So good, but so loooong...

Very hard to play catch-up but massive congrats to Zigg, I’m sure it was the accessories wot done it.

MrsOmelette · 22/01/2021 05:06

Morning all.
Today: B - green pepper omelette, L - mackerel salad, D - roast cauliflower & heck sausage. Lots of herbal teas and water and h/m electrolyte water too. Oh and a hot marmite or two. And hopefully a nap as I’m knackered.

Onelittlepiglet · 22/01/2021 06:04

Morning all

Plan for today is
B - small spoon of Greek yoghurt and double cream (I actually use something called Kaymak as I’m in Turkey and can’t get normal double cream. It’s more like clotted cream and is 0.8g carbs so I hope this is ok. I don’t use much of it)
L - green veg soup with butter and cheese
D - home made lamb meatballs with tomato sauce and cauliflower rice.

I have several family members who have turned vege and also some vegan. It’s not for me and I’m happy to accommodate their diet when cooking for them (not that I’ve done that for a long time with COVID!) but I find it hard when they bang on about all the fake meat being better than actual meat and their entire diets revolve around meat substitutes rather than vegetables. It seems strange to be to be vege but eat fake meat at every meal. It’s not for me - I’d rather eat a small amount of very good quality meat and support small farmers/producers who care about the environmental impact.

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