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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread

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BIWI · 17/01/2021 21:49

Welcome everyone! Hopefully you've found the easing-in week helpful, and it's given you time to get all the Christmas carby stuff out of the way, and to plan for this WOE (way of eating).

Here's a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness which is managed and cherished by The Very Lovely @AthelstaneTheUnready. If your name isn't on there, and you want it to be, just add your name to the bottom of the list. Don't try and insert it in the right alphabetical place, and DON'T TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

(If you're using your phone you'll probably have to download the Google Sheets app to be able to access the spreadsheet.)

Before we get going, I need to post my disclaimer:

I am not a medic and I have absolutely no scientific training (beyond O-levels in Biology, Chemistry and Physics!). I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist. The advice given here is based on my own experiences as well as lots and lots of reading, but you follow it at your own 'risk'. I hope it's not a risk, but you know what I mean! If you are taking any medication currently, especially if you're hypertensive or a diabetic, please discuss this with your GP or practice nurse; low carbing should help to lower your blood pressure and can help lower your blood sugar levels, which would mean that the dosage you're taking may need to be reduced.

So let's get going ...

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs (or calories). There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar fizzy drinks/squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa, and then only after the first two weeks of Bootcamp)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp, you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food at mealtimes then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3-4g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

So having dealt with the rules, what else do we need to think about?

The key to success is planning and preparation.

First thing is to get rid of anything in your cupboards/fridge/freezer that might tempt you. (As far as you can, give it to other members of your household!)

Next, plan what you're going to eat, and make sure you have all the ingredients that you need. If you need any inspiration, go and browse the recipes which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic.

If you don't know anything/much about low carbing make sure you read up about it. It's really important that you understand the science behind it and how it works. Have a look at the spreadsheet, and you'll see on there (on one of the tabs) a whole load of resources - videos, articles, websites etc - which are invaluable.

One of the truly amazing things about a low carb diet is that it will bring many health benefits beyond just weight loss - and you can read about those there.

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Lyrata · 21/01/2021 14:14

Yes, agree about the healthier thing, BIWI - it’s presented as fact that vegan = healthier but the data doesn’t support that hypothesis, not yet anyway.

There’s an interesting study here - although it’s a long read, specifically looking at plant based meat replacements (e.g. the Beyond Burger): www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsufs.2020.00128/full

My main takeaway from it was that there is a whole laundry list of primary and secondary nutrients that come from meat and replacing them with plant sources is unlikely to sufficiently mimic the original - particularly because absorption rates are often lower.

In particular, it calls out vitamins A (retinol), B12, D, and K2 - and minerals such as iron and zinc, and long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acid as more available and better absorbed from animal sources. It also talks about lysine and creatine and says that even now we don’t understand the role of all these interacting vitamins and minerals in skeletal health, eyesight, physical functioning, preventing cardiovascular disease and cognition.

It says that studies indicate supplementing is NOT as effective as consuming these vitamins and minerals in their natural form and that some data indicates the health benefits don’t carry over when the vitamin is taken through supplementation. It says “plant and animal foods interact in symbiotic ways to improve human health.”

It also says that because meat is so nutrient dense the actual ecological footprint and greenhouse gas emissions are far more similar to those of plant products, and that properly reared meat has a net negative carbon footprint. It makes the monoculture point too.

It’s a really long read - but the conclusion alone is worth reading. I’m not a scientist so I can’t say how good or bad the paper is - but it is an interesting read.

Bumbledee · 21/01/2021 14:16

@BIWI I was definitely playing spot the poster last night on the chat. Wink Although I wished Michael Mosley wouldn't be so long-winded at times.

Pleaseandthankyou · 21/01/2021 14:20

To add to the coleslaw recipes. Shred red or white cabbage. Add a little carrot and red onion. Add, mayo, grated cheese and cinnamon. It’s even better with a few sultanas but they are not for bootcamp.

BurningGubbins · 21/01/2021 15:15

I am going to have to run down my frozen meat supplies and replace them with veg! We went on a jaunt to our local market this week and they were reasonably well stocked actually. Got some cavalo nero instead of spinach, which did make me think I had fallen into a green veg rut.

An interesting discussion on veganism, thanks. I live in a town where it’s getting difficult to eat anywhere that’s not plant based, and my DH was most disappointed to accidentally buy a vegan lemon cheesecake the other day. I’m all for diversity in the food offer but I wish LCHF took off in the same way.

BrassicaBabe · 21/01/2021 15:33

Several coleslaw recipes there I've screen shotted. Thanks.

plumstone · 21/01/2021 16:26

Wow this is moving fast - weirdly busy today - so only just finished posting and I've had a power cut - truly bizarre it's not that windy and no snow, quite sunny actually - probably the only piece of the UK with neutral weather.

I will never go vegan, however i have made an effort to eat better quality meat, trying to reduce the distance it travels kind of thing - I believe that humans were made to eat a variety of things including meat, veggies, pulses, dairy etc. I love a steak with stilton melted over the top too much to change! Also I have never met a vegan I actually enjoyed hanging out with - vegetarian no issue about that. All vegans I have met are just a bit judgey and they never look healthy IMHO. I am happy to be corrected just so far in life that is my experience.

So today has been:

B - Greek Yogurt and double cream
L - Buttery fired leek, with bacon and two fried eggs
D - Spare ribs - no sauce with broccoli and green beans lots of butter and grated cheese.

I am hoping it fills me up better than last nights dinner - had to go and have two slices of cheese spread with Mayo to curb hunger at 8pm. Was still peckish so had a bath and went to bed, asleep by 10pm, and woke up at 7pm felt all shiny and new!

With regards to coleslaw - Ive never had home made - I may change this recipes look good thank you.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 21/01/2021 16:40

My sister went vegan a few years ago, in the hope of losing weight. I suppose it works if you eat vegetables and few nuts/seeds but not so much if, like my sister, you just replace dairy milk with vegan chocolate Grin
Was in Waitrose today and their vegan 'meat' products looked so unappealing - sort of greige!

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 21/01/2021 16:49

@BurningGubbins

Also, I was very annoyed last night finishing off my Asda order to find that loads of green veg are not available! No spinach, courgettes, broccoli, cucumber... bloody Brexit.
It didn't even cross my mind it was because of Brexit! Of course!

I think my attention was across the pond yesterday.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 21/01/2021 16:58

Afternoon! Interesting vegan discussions. I know some nice vegans Grin, but I'm definitely not tempted. I try to buy organic and local, and hope that it translates into better animal welfare.

Forgot to post my food yesterday. I had a good day, but can't be bothered to post it all.

Today:

B: yog with a little cream
L: tuna melt salad, and a dollop of homemade guacamole. For the first time - I think - ever, I found myself thinking that I didn't really need the cheese on the tuna. Progress!
D: puttanesca with spinach, cauliflower rice and sour cream.

MarmaladeTeepee · 21/01/2021 17:52

Hi everyone, I'm a long term lurker (and bootcamp quitter) but I've decided posting regularly on here will hopefully be the change I need to keep on track. I'm perimenopausal and to say my hormones are mental would be the understatement of the century and as a result I really struggle to lose any weight - often plateauing for weeks at a time before losing anything. But I've come to terms with it now, so whereas normally I'd become disheartened and give up I'm determined to stick with it and remember the other benefits of this WOE (clearer skin, fewer night sweats etc) rather than focussing solely on the weight loss.

In terms of books/studies I really rate Dr Jason Fung, his book the Obesity Code and the role of insulin in relation to weight really hit home to me.

LittleMy77 thanks for sharing the taco mix recipe, I'll definitely be using that one.

Tonight I'm making lasagna substituting the bechamel sauce for cream cheese mixed with double cream over the hob and blanched cabbage leaves or spinach leaves for the lasagna sheets (meat layer made with fried mince, shallots, garlic, mushrooms and chopped toms).

ouchmyfeet · 21/01/2021 17:55

@plumstone you'll never go back to shop bought!

Hopeislost · 21/01/2021 18:03

Another vote for homemade coleslaw here - I don't like shop bought! My favourite veg for low carb coleslaw are courgette, celeriac and broccoli stalks.

On the fajita note - Pinch of Nom have lots of seasoning blend recipes that are great for adding flavour.

https://pinchofnom.com/cheap-easy-spice-blends-slimming-and-weight-watchers-friendly/

Also thanks for the bookmark heads up BIWI - how did I not know about this before??

PastramiNoRye · 21/01/2021 18:18

Interesting chat on veganism today. I just don't want to be vegan. I doubt anyone could convince me.

Decent day today:
B: eggs, mushrooms and mozzarella
L: Rollitos and a leftover bit of steak (wasn't very hungry so these were eeked out over most of the afternoon!)
D: salmon fillets in a cream, tomato and spinach sauce.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 21/01/2021 18:19

On the veganism thing, if your body can take it, and you want to, then go for it. Mine can't as I'm slightly anaemic most of the time, and so have to watch my diet in that respect. GP advice is:

"Eat a lot of steak, liver, seafood, and spinach. But mostly steak."

I wish Grin. But apparently it's harder to extract the iron from plant foods, so for me, plant sources don't cut it. I would get ill on a vegan diet.

Someone was asking upthread about mouth ulcers: that's how I know I've not been eating enough meat, when I get mouth ulcers again.

But I am very fussy about my sources. Only from the local butcher, who only sells from the surrounding fields, and eggs only from the local business, who keep all their hens in about 30 acres of woodland.

Which rules out just about any ready-meal you can get, fortunately.

Dailyhandtowelwash · 21/01/2021 18:30

Heartening to see more science pro-steak!

Dinner is celeriac and leek soup. And I've drunk at least 3l of water. Feeling a bit waterlogged!

I love a hot marmite, so that's now my evening treat. DH is eating cake in front of me after dinner so I need something to distract me.

BIWI · 21/01/2021 18:33

Lunch was two hard boiled eggs, mashed with butter and a small amount of salad cream (the lowest carb one I could find!)

Dinner is chicken thighs, marinated in olive oil, garlic, lemon juice and oregano, that will be griddled, with aubergine that will be fried with olive oil and with feta crumbled over the top. Possibly something involving some kind of green veg depending on what I find when I go into the kitchen!

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Bestbees · 21/01/2021 18:53

@BIWI I would love to get a sense of how you eat when you are at maintainance. I do love pulses and would like to have them occasionally. Not so bothered about rice and pasta. Bread I love but is fairly easily avoided. Just thinking about a long term carb life.

In the previous thread there was conversations about how to manage the woe with family, especially teenage girls. I have two boys who are 7. I do talk to them about why I need less food than them. They understand food is energy, and I used the chewing bread until it is sweet to demo the fact that it is energy that I don't need as I am not growing (or a 6'6 bean pole like their father!) however today I was not hungry at either lunch or dinner. I ate my meals with the family and enjoyed them slowly. I want to eat with them which means it isn't always to hunger. I know I could eat later but it gets in the way of other things, or I could eat less, but then I am sure I will need a snack. I am always hungry in an empty way at breakfast, and when I am at work lunch is late so also ready.

That's long but essentially should I keep at it and maybe shrink my meals a tiny bit? To make me hungrier? Think maybe just lunch so I am hungry for tea? Any advice/thoughts welcome. Smile

@AthelstaneTheUnready I am the same about veganism. I did veganuary a couple of years a go. I was bloated, hungry and terribly farty! Like you I am not suited to it!

StuntNun · 21/01/2021 19:11

I have been hungry all day today. No idea why, it isn't my TOTM or anything. Anyway I made some roasted spicy cauliflower with mayo and hot chilli sauce dip for a snack that was a rather lush treat. Just various random spices and some olive oil on frozen cauliflower florets then roasted at 200C for 20 minutes. Divine!

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread
Almahart · 21/01/2021 19:12

Ooh that looks lovely @StuntNun !

JamMakingWannaBe · 21/01/2021 19:16

@LittleMy77

Day 4 and I’m impressed by my usually terrible willpower which was severely tested last night as I was desperate for an alcoholic drink!

Really struggling for lunches atm that aren’t eggs, cheese or soup. I make soup a lot but it’s never filling and I always want bread with it!

Am off to look at the low carb recipe sites for ideas.

Tomorrow for me is going to be a test of willpower over the wine - esp as DP bought me a bottle and I know it's in the house...

B: coconut milk, quark and berry smoothie
L: pork chop & cottage cheese with mixed salad
D: fajita with home made seasoning (thanks to this thread), salsa, guacamole, quark and cheddar.

I've found some great recipes on DietDoctor or Diabetes UK.

I too have a new scales. I've not weighed myself since last summer but my jeans definitely do not fit!

AthelstaneTheUnready · 21/01/2021 19:18

@StuntNun

I have been hungry all day today. No idea why, it isn't my TOTM or anything. Anyway I made some roasted spicy cauliflower with mayo and hot chilli sauce dip for a snack that was a rather lush treat. Just various random spices and some olive oil on frozen cauliflower florets then roasted at 200C for 20 minutes. Divine!
Oooo, tell me more about the frozen cauli - did the roasting burn any extra water off, or did you tilt the tray a bit?
Howdidthathappen1 · 21/01/2021 19:19

Fail!!!! God I'm not even through the first week. Colleague said she would bring lunch today as its her turn to which I said don't worry im lc ing.
She told me excitedly that she is trying to and will bring a noodle salad made from bare naked.
Fab so far so good.
Salad v nice - which i told her - only for her to say (yes you can guess) she hadn't used the bare naked as her husband had pinched them first.
So pissed off and not sure if I'm imagining it but feel v bloated.
Revised start date tomorrow with all food planned.

MarmaladeTeepee · 21/01/2021 19:25

Oh no Howdidthathappen1 I'd ditch taking turns with lunch if I was you! Well meaning but clueless people are a nightmare when you're trying to stick to a specific WOE. At least you can take solace in the fact that it wasn't intentional on your part.

StuntNun · 21/01/2021 19:28

Athelstane any water in the cauliflower must have cooked off as it was dry like that at the end of the cooking time. It will be perfect for me for movie nights where I fancy a snack because my DCs are tucking into tortilla chips or something equally tempting. Also my DH hates cauliflower so I wouldn't have to share lol!

Justcallmecaptainobvious · 21/01/2021 19:54

Keep on with the willpower all! My mum left a cake on my doorstep today and I came so close to thinking a little would be fine. So before I could give in I cut it in to six portions, wrapped and froze them.

Tomorrow’s plan is:

B - Boursin mushrooms with spinach (maybe an egg)
L - salad with Halloumi
D - roast vegetable soup (clearing out anything in the veg drawer which looks limp!)