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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread

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BIWI · 17/01/2021 21:49

Welcome everyone! Hopefully you've found the easing-in week helpful, and it's given you time to get all the Christmas carby stuff out of the way, and to plan for this WOE (way of eating).

Here's a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness which is managed and cherished by The Very Lovely @AthelstaneTheUnready. If your name isn't on there, and you want it to be, just add your name to the bottom of the list. Don't try and insert it in the right alphabetical place, and DON'T TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

(If you're using your phone you'll probably have to download the Google Sheets app to be able to access the spreadsheet.)

Before we get going, I need to post my disclaimer:

I am not a medic and I have absolutely no scientific training (beyond O-levels in Biology, Chemistry and Physics!). I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist. The advice given here is based on my own experiences as well as lots and lots of reading, but you follow it at your own 'risk'. I hope it's not a risk, but you know what I mean! If you are taking any medication currently, especially if you're hypertensive or a diabetic, please discuss this with your GP or practice nurse; low carbing should help to lower your blood pressure and can help lower your blood sugar levels, which would mean that the dosage you're taking may need to be reduced.

So let's get going ...

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs (or calories). There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar fizzy drinks/squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa, and then only after the first two weeks of Bootcamp)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp, you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food at mealtimes then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3-4g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

So having dealt with the rules, what else do we need to think about?

The key to success is planning and preparation.

First thing is to get rid of anything in your cupboards/fridge/freezer that might tempt you. (As far as you can, give it to other members of your household!)

Next, plan what you're going to eat, and make sure you have all the ingredients that you need. If you need any inspiration, go and browse the recipes which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic.

If you don't know anything/much about low carbing make sure you read up about it. It's really important that you understand the science behind it and how it works. Have a look at the spreadsheet, and you'll see on there (on one of the tabs) a whole load of resources - videos, articles, websites etc - which are invaluable.

One of the truly amazing things about a low carb diet is that it will bring many health benefits beyond just weight loss - and you can read about those there.

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LostaraYil · 22/01/2021 06:55

I'm currently reading The Obesity Code, @MarmaladeTeepee and I find it very convincing. A bit ranty, but lots of interesting evidence I haven't seen before. I was happy that Moseley said in the chat that he thought there would be a shift in the medical community eventually. I also make a point of teaching kids that even though the recommended diet is high carb, low carb is being used to treat type 2 diabetes. I got a class to critique my diet for a day once and they told me it was healthy but I should eat more carbs Grin. NO!!!
DH slightly sabotaged my plan yesterday by putting peas and carrots in the curry but I only had a few. I don't want to put him off cooking for me completely.
Today's plan is a soup for lunch (inspired by many of you!). Would bacon, kale and cabbage and whatever else I find work? We usually have a takeaway on Friday, do we think domino's chicken wings (9.4g carbs for 7) is acceptable with FLGV? We live in a village and very few places deliver.

ouchmyfeet · 22/01/2021 07:07

Sorry can't comment on the chicken wings, I'm not knowledgeable enough about carb content, am just following the rules and not worrying about numbers for now.

Also getting a takeaway here, will be from a local Lebanese place so I'm planning on a kebab and fattoush (without the croutons).

Happy Friday Bootcampers! I think my salts are probably low as I'm feeling a bit crap and dry mouthed so going to try making my own electrolyte water as described above. Have a good day all, we've got this 💪💪💪

StuntNun · 22/01/2021 07:09

It isn't vegan hate! It's a rebuttal to the claims that a vegan diet involves not harming animals, is better for your health, and is better for the environment than all other diets. I think one of the biggest mistakes the health establishment made was to assume that there was one one perfect human diet that we should all follow. Whereas health, genetics, environment, finances, ethics, convenience and personal preference all play a role and we each need a diet that works for us as individuals. I remember my DS3 coming home from school upset because he had been learning about nutrition at school and he had been told dairy was healthy and he needed it for calcium. He's allergic to dairy! A healthy diet for one person is not necessarily healthy for another person.

Grah0SoontobeaFitty · 22/01/2021 07:22

Well Glad to see Because I'm Worth It and a lot of others are still around helping and supporting.
Was here years ago, lost my 50lb kept it off for ages but lack of exercise and will power with a gammy knee slid a little 30lb back.

Which is my trigger number too re bootcamp. Just popped in for the rules and water numbers. Keep at it ladies and talk it really does help if you all are honest and open.
Plus have some non-scale related measurements and photos as some changes you don't notice on the scale.

Remember your on day 1 of 63 at the beginning of week 2 then
day 1 of 62 ....... until end of boot camp when its day 1 of the rest of you life and no cheats on day 1.
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Thanks again - Have fun everyone.

Bestbees · 22/01/2021 07:22

Morning everyone.
Back still bad here so feeling sorry for myself. Ate a lot of cheese last night, and meds make me constipated too.

Plan for today
B boiled eggs mashed with butter
L mackerel salad with mayi
D take away chicken shashlick and bring Al bhaji.

Definitelymaybeee · 22/01/2021 07:46

Thanks Athelstan. Must have been feeling a bit oversensitive last night. It has worked for me for over 20 years; I love eating pulses, grains, nuts, seeds and beans and have been very healthy on them. I went veggie years ago for animal welfare reasons so there weren't loads of meat substitutes then and they've never been my thing. I'm sure as I've hit perimenopause the fact that my diet includes a lot of cards hasn't helped at all and for the first time in my life I've been craving and overeating chocolate, biscuits and crisps, hence the fact that I'm here! This week has been a revelation to me because I've finally managed to take my hand out of the biscuit tin. I'm hoping once I've reached my goal (trying hard to stay positive!) I'll be able to start adding my normal protein sources back in small quantities. Will that be possible? For now I'm eating lots of eggs and quorn so definitely not vegan!

venusandmars · 22/01/2021 07:51

Looking after my lovely grandchildren today so will be active from 8am till 6pm. Got a trip to the fish shop, a treasure hunt, colouring, and a game of Twister planned. That should take care of at least 2 hours!

B - avocado, creamy coffee
L - kedgeree (mine with cauli and cabbage rice)
D - steak, spinach, mushrooms, leeks

Inspired by all the taco talk. Visiting frail elderly PILs tomorrow so making fish tacos with peppers, salad, guacamole, sour cream, cheese. Tortillas and black beans for others, not me. Then mini raspberry pavlova (with no meringue for me). I know berries are not allowed in week 1 and 2 but I'm doing my best with MIL's need for a pudding, (and the need to fatten her up a bit) and something we can all have. Posting tomorrow's food now as I doubt I'll have time between my and Sunday!

venusandmars · 22/01/2021 07:55

@Definitelymaybeee when I'm on maintenance I have beans or pulses once a week. But on that day I don't also have high fat. Plenty of time for you to plan for that after the next 10 weeks, and in the last week lots of people will post their maintenance eating plans.

Jollyholibobs · 22/01/2021 07:58

Wow loving this thread but can’t keep up. Don’t want to post without RTWT so haven’t posted since Monday. Caught up at last.

@ShagMeRiggins no recipe for my fish faitas. I made my own faita spice mix. Rubbed it over a bag of frozen fish pie mix. Roasted in oven and had with hm guacamole, crated cheese, tomato salsa and mandolined slices of courgette as I had no cucumber. Success and DH and DS had flat breads while I had little gem scoops.

Love the coleslaw recipes and will definitely try the Japanese coleslaw.

I have a massive bag of root ginger in the fridge. Put in in curries and stir fries but other ideas welcome.

@venusandmars questioned what people mean when they say salad. Mine is always a massive plateful of grated and mandolined veg. Not strictly coleslaw as I will add celeriac, fennel, courgette, watercress, beetroot (still loads in the garden) and raw spinach as well as the trad cabbage and carrot. Dressed in a mix of Mayo and vinaigrette. Drizzle of lime juice very nice too.
DH bought me a set of planer graters and a mandoline at Christmas. Loved @BrassicaBabe description of finger cutting mandolin as I am sporting my second bandage done Christmas.

I’m a pescatarian. Don’t eat very much fish at all though just wouldn’t turn it down if served it. So actually I think I have relied on too much carb in my diet and am now enjoying some delicious cheeses which I have always deprived myself of ‘for health reasons’ . Have been LCHF since August so it’s possible as a vegetarian for those who have asked. I may have an over reliance on dairy now but don’t have much left to loose . Have lost over 2st.

Today’s plan
B black coffee (established 16:8er)
L smoked burratta, avocado and my big plate of all the veg coleslaw.
D aubergine parmigiana with lots of courgetti
Possibly some Greek yoghurt for Fayers but finding that I can’t stop when I start the Greek yoghurt. May need to stop buying it.
Water and a massive variety of herb teas- cupboard full.
Have a good day everyone!

Jollyholibobs · 22/01/2021 08:01

*afters not Fayers!!!

Definitelymaybeee · 22/01/2021 08:12

Venusandmars, thanks that gives me hope although it's going to take me a few bootcamps to get to maintenance 🤣
Jollyholibobs, that is an amazing loss, well done. Thanks for the encouragement, you've restored my hope! I'm fine with eating eggs and cheese in principle, but I do try and source them carefully, so I will embrace the cheese a bit more!

EarlGreyHot · 22/01/2021 08:26

It's taken me ages to catch up! Wfh and homeschooling are not helping me keep abreast of the thread this week... Weighed this morning for motivation to KOKO through the weekend and was pleasantly surprised to be back at my final weight for last Bootcamp.

B - black coffee (doing 16:8)
L - stuffed cabbage troo style with extra GV
D - steak, garlic butter, mushrooms, shallots, some GV or salad too.
I have some of the low carb brownies in the fridge so may have one of those with some double cream to celebrate getting through another week from hell without falling off the wagon!

BrassicaBabe · 22/01/2021 08:26

Ooh. Fish fajitas! Great idea!!

Don't cuts from the mandolin bleed without stopping @Jollyholibobs ShockShock In the old days I've prepped potato dauphinois with my hands in food bags because I couldn't stop the blood with plasters Grin

Jollyholibobs · 22/01/2021 08:31

@BrassicaBabe it’s so sharp that I didn’t notice the last on until on a call and wondered why the beetroot had only stained one finger!!! Not beetroot.

Dailyhandtowelwash · 22/01/2021 08:32

Morning.

Another pound off here which means 2lbs real loss. So pleased with that.

Really interested in how people are managing without lots of dairy or meat products, and also in what on earth an egg fast is! Is it what it says on the tin?

Dailyhandtowelwash · 22/01/2021 08:33

Do you have a holder thing with spikes with your mandolins, or are the cuts happening regardless? I’ve had a few in my time too - so deep!

Takeaway here tonight too. Am planning tandoori prawns as a starter, then lamb chops with brinjal bhajee for main. Yum.

MrsMcBoatface · 22/01/2021 08:34

I love skimming through this thread for inspiration.. usually I lurk more than post, but just wanted to ask: is anyone else feeling great? I feel so energised. Brain fog diminished, muscles aching in a good way because I did 2 zoom classes yesterday (yoga in the morning and weights evening) and can say I worked at about 95% where I usually position myself slightly off camera and work at 50%... even my usually stuffy nose is gone and I'm breathing like a champ.

I've heard about the day 5 blues and am wondering if I'm going to crash? I won't quit, I've committed, but I love feeling so good and I'm hoping others will confirm that general excellent-ness is a permanent side effect Grin

I'd love to be a vegan, but I think I can safely say it doesn't suit me. Good to see that the latest advice is noting that people respond differently.

Jollyholibobs · 22/01/2021 08:38

@Dailyhandtowelwash yep got a holder as part of the gift but I can’t get it to grip things and the spikes are plastic and mandolin off. DH is now investigating and alternative holders after yesterday's carnage! Recommendations welcome.

BrassicaBabe · 22/01/2021 08:40

My hand guard is rubbish! I use a fork which works pretty well. Stick the fork in the onion and use the fork handle

prettybird · 22/01/2021 08:41

An egg fast is a minimum of 6 eggs per day plus tablespoon of butter per egg plus some cheese and of course gallons of water for up to 3 days and then a taper back to "normal" eating. Stuntnun recommend a bit of extra protein too, over and above the eggs.

BUT it should NOT be done in the 1st 2 weeks of Boot Camp. It breaks one of the Rules of Boot Camp with its lack of veg.

It's useful (if you like eggs Wink) to break a stall.

nowlook · 22/01/2021 08:42

Morning all! I'm always staggered by the number of really competent and inventive cooks on BC. As someone who can barely stuff a mushroom, I look on in envy Envy

BIWI · 22/01/2021 08:42

@Bestbees

I would love to get a sense of how you eat when you are at maintainance. I do love pulses and would like to have them occasionally. Not so bothered about rice and pasta. Bread I love but is fairly easily avoided. Just thinking about a long term carb life.

Ah yes. The tantalising thought of maintenance! Successful maintenance is about learning what works for you, and not to allow things to creep in that you know won't help you. (And I very definitely include myself here, hence actively participating in Bootcamp this time around Blush)

But the diet you describe is pretty much what I do eat. I love pulses, and will occasionally have those. Things like chilli with the kidney beans, for example - but still no rice. Peas and broad beans are also things that I love, so I'll occasionally cook with these - they're always in my freezer.
Pasta is a real indulgence but only on very, very rare occasions - which is a shame, as I really do love it. Not eating bread doesn't bother me, although the ease of a sandwich at lunchtime is something I miss - however, the Seriously Low Carb bread (a recent discovery) means I can do this every now and then. It's too expensive to have this regularly, unfortunately. I never buy potatoes, so no-one in the house has them either, and I genuinely don't miss them - although at Christmas I will make roast potatoes.

I don't have a very sweet tooth, so not having desserts doesn't bother me, although if we're out at a restaurant - remember those?! - I may indulge. TBH, usually I'm too full. But if I want one I will have one. I've never been much of a fruit eater, so that isn't an issue.

Alcohol is a different story! I love white wine, but as well as the carbs it's also very calorific, so I try to avoid it. My drink of choice is a good gin and tonic - but only with Slimline tonic. That means, of course, that it's artificial sweeteners. Monday - Wednesday DH and I don't drink so that does curb the intake a bit.

I have two boys who are 7. I do talk to them about why I need less food than them
I want to eat with them which means it isn't always to hunger

TBH I wouldn't draw attention to what you're eating/not eating unless they ask you - and then you simply need to say something like 'I didn't fancy it/I'm not hungry'. And I also wouldn't eat with them if you're not hungry. You can sit with them and chat, which is the nice part - at this age they're still willing to chat, I seem to remember! Can you compromise a bit? Give them a snack when they get home from school, and then all eat together later, when you are hungry?

That's long but essentially should I keep at it and maybe shrink my meals a tiny bit? To make me hungrier? Think maybe just lunch so I am hungry for tea?

I wouldn't recommend a strategy that's based on keeping yourself hungry! You're much more likely to end up cheating. One of the things we try to emphasise on Bootcamp is how much this WOE is about enjoying your food and not having to over-think it. That said, it's a good idea to keep an eye on portion sizes, and make sure you're eating till you're satisfied - but stopping at that point.

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BIWI · 22/01/2021 09:01

@StuntNun that soup/cauliflower looks amazing!

@JamMakingWannaBe

B: coconut milk, quark and berry smoothie

Why the berries? Not allowed in the first two weeks of Bootcamp! I'm also not sure why you're using Quark, as this is a low fat product - remember this is a high fat way of eating.

(And I hope that you swerved the white wine last night!)

@Howdidthathappen1 I'd be seriously pissed off that my colleague didn't tell me that before you'd eaten! Don't worry about it though - just KOKO and all will be fine

@AthelstaneTheUnready

BIWI I heard you on the Mosely zoom chat - you're such a cuddly speaker!

Not quite sure what that means, but thank you! (I think?!) Grin. Agree though, MM did go on a bit. But I suppose zoom calls are unscripted and he didn't know what he was going to be asked - that's quite unusual, because when we've had webchats before, people post their questions in advance. And I suppose if he'd had to type his answers, rather than speak, they would have been shorter.

@cheeseisthebest

Sorry. It wasn't meant to be hate for vegans Grin. Just the insistence/proselytising about veganism being the healthiest way to eat - which is patently can't be if you're eating so much processed food (even before you consider the potential lack of important nutrients) - and that it's healthier for the planet, when some practices clearly aren't!

I think you're quite right when you say you haven't been eating enough fat - being hungry is a tell-tale sign!

@Doilooklikeatourist

I'm with you - I really, really, really love cheese. And butter. And yoghurt.
And eggs! I love vegetables and pulses/legumes, and could - at a push - eat a mainly vegetarian diet. But I just can't see how a totally vegan diet would be enjoyable. For me.

@Definitelymaybeee

Hoping that as a veggie, almost vegan, this WOE is going to work for me. Having a few doubts now but I haven't had any problems so far so going to stick with it and hope all of my efforts pay off.

It will work for you! Possibly a bit slower, because if your diet is mainly vegetables then your carb count is inevitably going to be higher than if you were eating meat or fish. Rose Elliott has created a carb vegetarian diet, which you might want to explore - she's also written a [[https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vegetarian-Low-Carb-Diet-Cookbook-vegetarians/dp/0749926988/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=rose+elliot+low+carb+vegetarian+recipes&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1611305775&sr=8-4 recipe book to go with it, which has some lovely recipes . Have you checked out the vegetarian recipe in the Low Carb Bootcamp topic? There are lots of great ideas in there.

(Oh, and thanks for delurking! Flowers Smile)

@oscarandelliesdad

When should the sugar cravings start to subside, do you all think?

Any time now, I should think! You should find that by the time we finish the first two weeks of Bootcamp that you're having fewer and fewer cravings, although that does depend on how much of a sugar fiend you were beforehand. Once you're used to low carbing, and haven't been eating fruit/desserts/sweets/biscuits/chocolate on a regular basis, that your tastes change. I remember when Cadbury brought Wispa back again, and I rushed out to buy one as I used to love them - but it was like eating a mouthful of sweet, bubbly wax! I was shocked. These days, if I eat chocolate I much prefer dark chocolate although I seemed to manage to put away a fair few Cadbury's Roses at Christmas!

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BIWI · 22/01/2021 09:11

@kilojules

Sorry if it's been mentioned lots before. I'm new to this so struggling to find the info on what I can use for electrolytes.

I decided to take the work out of figuring out what to eat for the first week so did 3 days of the egg fast and started the IBIH keto soup diet which I'm planning to do for another 4 days (hopefully)

It's day 4 I've clearly got the keto flu as feel rubbish!

I've looked up online electrolytes recipes but don't have half the stuff and would prefer natural stuff and not be filling myself with potassium citrate and the likes.. any tips much appreciated

I'm afraid I am going to have to get The Big Stick out here!

Firstly, there has been plenty of talk about electrolytes/where and how to get them on the thread, so by not reading the thread you've missed this. You could always scroll back?! But read on ...

The key electrolytes are sodium, magnesium and potassium. You can buy supplements that will help you in the short term - in this instance, don't worry about them not being so natural. In the short term, if you're feeling rubbish, you need to address this quickly. Zero is the one I'd suggest

Sodium is key, and this is easier to address without a supplement - through salt. Are you cooking with it? Do you add it to your food? If no, then start to do that from here on. It's really important on a low carb diet and when you're drinking the amount of water that you should be. (You haven't entered your weight on the spreadsheet, so I don't know how much you should be drinking, but check rule 6 to find out)

Potassium you could get from using Lo-Salt.

Other ways to get these electrolytes are from foods like salmon, spinach, avocado and full fat yoghurt.

If you're doing an egg fast and the IBIH diet then you're not doing Bootcamp

There's plenty of inspiration about what to eat, not only from my posts and from the recipe threads, but also from everyone else who is posting their recipes.

Please remember - we aren't keto. That's much stricter on the carb front.

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BIWI · 22/01/2021 09:21

@Onelittlepiglet

0.8g carbs sounds fine to me. And definitely with you on the meat front!

@LostaraYil

DH slightly sabotaged my plan yesterday by putting peas and carrots in the curry but I only had a few. I don't want to put him off cooking for me completely

Don't stress too much about that - but make sure that he knows from here on!

Today's plan is a soup for lunch (inspired by many of you!). Would bacon, kale and cabbage and whatever else I find work?

Sounds perfect!

We usually have a takeaway on Friday, do we think domino's chicken wings (9.4g carbs for 7) is acceptable with FLGV? We live in a village and very few places deliver.

That sounds perfectly fine - but obviously also depends on what else you're eating/have eaten the rest of the day!

Welcome back @Grah0SoontobeaFitty! You must be one of the few who knows what BIWI stands for Grin. I love your counting method, and had forgotten all about that! Good luck - I'm sure you'll succeed, just as you did before.

@Definitelymaybeee sorry if you felt you were being picked on! Clearly never our/my intention Flowers

One thing I will say, though, is that we really don't recommend Quorn as it's so, so processed. This, from Wiki:

Quorn is made from the soil mould Fusarium venenatum strain PTA-2684 (previously misidentified as the parasitic mould Fusarium graminearum[35]). The fungus is grown in continually oxygenated water in large, otherwise sterile fermentation tanks. Glucose and fixed nitrogen are added as a food for the fungus, as are vitamins and minerals to improve the food value of the product. The resulting mycoprotein is then extracted and heat-treated to remove excess levels of RNA ...The product is dried and mixed with egg albumen, which acts as a binder. It is then textured, giving it some of the grained character of meat, and pressed into a mince resembling ground beef; forms resembling chicken breasts, meatballs, and turkey roasts; or chunks resembling diced chicken breast

So it really doesn't fit with what we're trying to do on Bootcamp (although I do accept that it's harder if you're a vegetarian!)

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