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Leaving Lockdown Low Carb Bootcamp - last weigh-in!

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BIWI · 03/08/2020 07:19

Morning all

Very much looking forward to finding out how everyone has done so here's the Spreadsheet for its last outing

I had hoped, when I started this Bootcamp, that we would have left lockdown properly by now, rather than being in this weird kind of limbo that we find ourselves in. But hopefully it has achieved its objective, of getting us all a bit more focused and healthy, rather than just eating and drinking ourselves to death before the virus could do that!

We will, of course, carry on - I'll keep the thread going and when it's finished, we'll start another one. Just because the ten weeks is up doesn't mean that the diet has ended Grin

Here's to a good result on the scales this morning Flowers

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Mimosa1 · 24/09/2020 07:28

Ouch @Takingontheworld that does sound tricky. Do you have the same reaction to gluten-free carbs?

Not much to report in this end. I'm away overnight so not weighing in today. Managing to stick to LC so far.

StuntNun · 24/09/2020 09:07

Going low carb unveiled dairy intolerance and wheat (not gluten) intolerance in me. No wonder my IBS completely cleared up when I cut out wheat and milk. I have a friend who's a nutritional therapist and she says dairy and wheat are the most common causes of health problems. I can tolerate butter and cheese but milk is a complete no-no. I even tried raw milk but that gives me a stomachache too. Yogurt and cream are ok occasionally but I can't have them every day.

BIWI · 24/09/2020 10:12

Yep, similar story for me @StuntNun - my IBS has completely cleared up.

Luckily (or not, from my weight point of view Sad) I can tolerate reasonable amounts of carbs without suffering, but carbs + emotional stress lead straight away to an IBS episode.

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Jdhshekr · 24/09/2020 15:44

@BIWI

I don't know, but I think that would suggest that you have an intolerance to wheat.
Definitely not a wheat intolerance. I have had terrible IBS on and off since I was a teenager and cutting out wheat and gluten has never made any difference. I got the diarrhoea after having carbs in the form of some of sweet potato and carrot as well (a fairly small amount). Exactly the same experience as with the breaded halloumi so I know it’s carb related. They are the only times I’ve properly cheated, although I do still have a bit of dark chocolate most days and sometimes even a few milk chocolate buttons, and I eat a lot of nuts so it’s not like I don’t sometimes go a bit over the carbs I’m supposed to have.
Mimosa1 · 25/09/2020 07:25

I'm delighted to say that I've had to return most of an online clothes order for being too big!!! I'd ordered a few winter dresses from the new M&S collection that could do for work although we're not going back to the office anymore and I've had to return them as they're a size too big. Yay! For those of us that are very large of calf, like me, I'm thrilled with some wide calf boots from SimplyBe though. Highly recommend!

BrassicaBabe · 25/09/2020 08:17

Whoop Mimosa. That's a great thing to have to do!!

Takingontheworld · 25/09/2020 10:47

Amazing mimosa!!!!!

I'm doing 16-20hr fasts (varying each day) and trying to aim for 800/900 carbs. Going to continue for as long as it naturally feels ok to do so (no pressure) or until we leave for holiday wednesday. Am staying off the scales (yes really) until then.

Will see if this gets me going again!

Oneborneverydecade · 25/09/2020 16:30

Well done @mimosa1 That must feel fantastic!

I am able to wear 3 pairs of jeans that I bought in November and didn't return when they were far too small. For once I'm not kicking myself for being disorganised. I haven't bought anything new in a smaller size yet

StuntNun · 25/09/2020 18:16

I've unwittingly started a new diet as a result of getting Invisalign braces. You're not allowed to eat or drink anything except cold water with them in but they're tricky to remove so I've only been eating two meals a day since I got them on Tuesday! Shock It will be interesting to see if there's any effect on my weight.

Takingontheworld · 25/09/2020 20:05

Stuntnun! I want envisalign. Is it painful? Xxx

StuntNun · 25/09/2020 20:41

For your teeth or the diet effects Taking? Grin It's not painful to wear the aligners but getting them out is a bit of a mission. I'm only in day three though so I'm sure it will get easier with practice. Also you wear each set of aligners for ten days and apparently by day five they get easier to remove as your teeth have moved into position. I have crowded teeth at the bottom and that is where I have trouble - I think the overlapping teeth make the aligner fit really tightly. In terms of diet I think it's more of a psychological thing. When I coach people I ask them to take a photo of everything they eat. You'd be surprised just how much of a barrier that is to non-hunger eating. The 30 seconds it takes to get your phone out and take a photo gives you time to subconsciously decide whether you really want to eat it or not.

BrassicaBabe · 25/09/2020 21:38

How many carbs in a bottle of wine? Asking for a friend 🤔

StuntNun · 25/09/2020 22:01

About 20g Brassica and 700 calories.

BrassicaBabe · 25/09/2020 22:12

Bollox. Bollox. Wine led go 5 five foxes classic biscuits back to back. Ok, so I'm at maintenance, but I don't want a place for that kind of unhealthy eating. Hmm, clearly the root was in the wine. Ok. Tomorrow is a new day. I have a 10K run planned for tomorrow or Sunday if this crappy weather stays the same

Glad that I can share that kind of eating here.

StuntNun · 25/09/2020 23:23

Do your run tomorrow. 10K burns 600 calories and will get rid of all the glycogen from those biscuits.

Oneborneverydecade · 26/09/2020 09:41

I have a couple of questions:

I was kind of hoping to be able to see my own pubic area for the first time in 3 years with my weightloss. I'm only half way there but I'm wondering if a C-section apron will always get in the way? I've had 3 kids but only 1 section. What's your experience please? Do you have a tummy even when at goal weight?

If I Google low carb or keto there's a lot of chat about bread and sugar substitutes. How do you do low carb? I've been avoiding anything sweet for e.g. because I don't know if I can trust myself, it's easier to take it off the menu completely. But is that sustainable?
I really struggle to avoid nibbling on the kids bagels, maybe low carb bread would satisfy that craving?
What do you guys do?

Anyone else's skin look so much better? I'm assuming that's all the water

BIWI · 26/09/2020 09:57

How do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs. There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread (of any kind, including your kids' bagels!)
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp (which last for 10 weeks), you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream (although in moderation)
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).

After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

Hope this helps!

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Oneborneverydecade · 26/09/2020 11:11

Thanks @BIWI I have read this before I promise but it's always good to revisit

I think pt.10 is behind my reluctance to introduce sweeteners, so I'll keep going as I am

except when it comes to treating myself to 1/8th of a buttered bagel Grin I've lost almost 2.5st and if that's my only vice I can live with it

I've just realised I had another question:

How do you find your period affects your weightloss? This time for the first time I noticed that I stalled completely for a week then period hit and I'm 2lb down. If that's a common pattern I'll stop beating myself up for that preceeding week

BIWI · 26/09/2020 11:27

Yes, your periods can impact weight loss. However, you should also find that if you suffered from period pains or PMT that this is reduced on low carbing.

ignores comment about eating bagels

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Oneborneverydecade · 26/09/2020 12:09

Haha I promise to drop the habit when we start boot camp proper

StuntNun · 26/09/2020 12:42

Oneborn I think most women gain a couple of pounds just before their period, whether losing weight or not. In terms of the tummy pouch you can get one regardless of whether or not you've had a section, it's just an area of the body where women put on fat. It seems to be one of the very last areas you lose fat from so to get rid of it you will need to have a low body fat percentage, likely below 20%.

Mimosa1 · 26/09/2020 12:46

@Oneborneverydecade I have a slice of this stuff every now and then and it hits
the spot at 3.8g of carbs per admittedly tiny slice. It's available on Ocado and not bad.

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Takingontheworld · 26/09/2020 15:52

Im back to tracking my macros atm. Sorta like a preemptive bootcamp to break the plateau.. however I’ve misjudged my food today and my protein & fat is on par. I'm at my calorie limit ideally today, how can i boost my fat up without doing much calorie wise? I don't think i can, can i? Might have to accept its not statistically perfect today.

Am fine eating 800/850 ckals, feel fine, averaging a 18.5 hr fast,but can't get the fat up enough within those boundaries.

Gonna keep going until Tuesday then go back to not counting calories etc in spirit of this WOE. Hoping this'll just give me enough boost to really refocus and shake up my body a bit so can go back to a steady loss with normal WOE

StuntNun · 26/09/2020 17:19

Taking if you're restricting yourself to 800 calories then I'd go for low carb Mediterranean style rather than low carb high fat. Think of your 5% carb macro as an upper limit and your protein macro as a goal. Then let fat make up the rest of your calories for the day. If you're burning fat then that actually contributes to your fat macro anyway so you might not be as far out as you think.

Takingontheworld · 26/09/2020 17:42

Interesting. I note the fast 800 site mentioned low carb Mediterranean foods but i must admit as I'm not willing to be this restrictive for long i didn't bother reading much and zoned out when i saw shakes 🤣

I had spring greens in olive oil, garlic and salt with some left over sliced beef joint from yesterday.

A tsp of pecan butter
Then i was planning fish but i needed to use up the chilli I'd made so ended up double beefing (not a euphemism) i made it without beans, had 40g cheese, 80g full fat sour cream and whilst I'd usually only have half an avocado my fat macro was low so i ate the whole one to bump up. Macros attached x

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