Low Carb Bootcamp Ordinaire - Week 3

[BIWI]

Morning all!

The start of a brand new week. Hopefully it will be a better week - emotionally/psychologically - for us all.

Here's the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness for you to record your progress.

Hopefully we've all had a good couple of weeks, food and weight wise.

Be warned that we're now in week 3. Many, many, many low carbers (not just Bootcampers) find that the weight loss can slow or stop in this week (and also week 4)

If this happens to you DON'T PANIC! If you've been losing so far, then you know it works. Just KOKO (keep on keeping on) and things will get going again soon.

Good luck to us all [ flowers]

@1WildTeaParty

We have to find a way to live that doesn't lead us right back to the beginning.

Absolutely!

Long term I might aim for 5:2 or IF. There’s one tiny Canadian study which queries vessel damage from cheat days on low carb diets 😩

Key thing I hope to take long term from this WOE - once I meet target (and before ) - is to eat mindfully

So not to mindlessly stuff my face with meaningless carbs. To enjoy what carbs I choose to eat. To learn to know when I'm genuinely hungry and not just bored

Hello Everyone,

I was wondering whether anyone can talk me off the edge of quitting please?

I mentioned to @BIWI earlier this week that I feel terrible on this way of eating. My tongue feels like it's burning, my head feels tight and I am constantly hungry, apart from maybe 10 minutes following a meal. I get light headed and feel fuzzy.
I think I am eating plenty of fat and drinking plenty of water, I just feel horrible and my mood is awful too.
Is it possible that this way of eating is just not suitable for some people?
Today I had
B Creamy coffee
L big green salad with goats cheese, olives, brie, 2 eggs and 2 fried rashers of bacon crumbled on top
D cauliflower cheese (sauce was cream and cheese) and tuna mayonnaise. 2 cherry tomatoes and a few raw broad beans.
Then I had 3 strawberries with 100g Total yoghurt because I felt so terrible (as described above).
6 pints of water and 3 teas with unsweetened soya milk.

Now having tea with soya milk and feel like climbing the walls with sore tongue and feeling very weird.

Does anyone know why I feel like this?
I am annoying my husband (and myself) by constantly talking about keto and food and how I feel and I am miserable.

Sorry about the miserable post.

Thanks so much.

If people are buying celeriac, celeriac remoulade is the most delicious thing in the world. Preferably bought from a deli in France but failing that, make at home.

My current NSV is my soft skin. Mmmmmm soft.

@kakiqueen I'm sorry to hear you're feeling so rough. I hope someone has some advice on how to help with those specific problems. I just wanted to ask, have you been noticing any weight loss? On the scales or with your clothes? That might be a little push to keep going? X

Kaki I get all those feelings. The tongue thing remains and I just get used to it. Water helps.

Everything else just wears off when I get adapted. I feel crap until then though. The mood thing... I wonder about soy/hormones/fat. Soy is known to effect oestrogen and keto can release hormones from the fats you're losing. I wonder if those things interact. WARNING: I'm not a doctor or scientist.

Hello @NumbsMet
Thank you for your message! I have lost probably 1 kg in 11 days and my jeans feel looser.
I am pleased with that, but I am not sure it's worth feeling like this?
Does that make sense?

Hello @MrsTerryPratchett

I was wondering about the soya milk too. I can't survive without tea though.

Do your symptoms disappear completely once adapted? (Apart from the tongue fire?).is that how you know you are adapted?

kakiqueen - are you having f Pugh electrolytes? I sort of make my own with every 3rd 500ml of water having a squoosh of lemon juice and a generous shake of Lo-Salt (which helps with potassium). I also make sure to salt my food plus take a multi-vitamin which provides magnesium (plus try to bath regularly in Epsom salts).

If you're drinking as much as you should, you're flushing out a lot of those important elements.

The other thing you can do to re-balance is to have a cup of hot Bovril or Marmite.

I really don't know what to advise, as I've never had anyone describe symptoms like this.

It does, partly, sound like carb flu - but if you've been doing this for almost three weeks, then you should be past this by now.

All I can seem to find when Googling is that it might be a Vitamin B12 deficiency. Were you eating a lot of bread before you started?

Are you anaemic generally?

"f Pugh" = enough

Hi @prettybird and @BIWI

I knew what you meant about the electrolytes . I have some Zero tablets that I take once a day. Maybe that's not enough.

BIWI, I didn't eat much bread at all before. Only things like whole wheat crackers or oat cakes or very dark German Rye bread at the weekends.

I've been a bit anaemic since having the children, but I don't know my latest levels.

Should I eat more fat? I feel sick at the thought of it and don't fancy anything anymore.
I would love to not feel hungry and not so bothered about food.

Are you anaemic generally?

Was going to ask same as BIWI. The only time I used to get a not so much sore, but fuzzy, fizzing tongue was when I was expecting and red meat used to alleviate it, so I assumed it was related to iron levels.

Get it very occasionally now in my 50's and assume it's for the same reasons.

Apologies, cross post

@kakiqueen yes that makes total sense. MrsTerry mentioned this but I also still have a sore tongue. Everything else has gone, especially the nausea which for me was the worst part.

Hope you don't mind me asking but have you been very strict with the diet, aside from the occasional fruit? No cheat days or alcohol? When BIWI mentioned that the symptoms should have passed by now, I considered that maybe the symptoms keep 'starting again', but I could be and probably am very wrong!

It was annoying for me because DP is following the bootcamp with me and he had virtually no symptoms, with the exception of a couple of days of nausea. That made me think that different people must have very different reactions.

Well done with the weight loss so far I really hope you find the strength to keep going!!

Do your symptoms disappear completely once adapted? (Apart from the tongue fire?).is that how you know you are adapted?

All but the tongue thing and getting less sleep. But I need less. I end up feeling better, rather than worse. I do take electrolytes and vitamins every day. I drink black tea. A mixture of pu'er and peppermint that I feel would be worse with milk. Or jasmine or another tea that doesn't need milk. And one strong, milky PG Tips a day

Hi :) not sure if you have mentioned it or not but why is it that weeks 3 and 4 tend to stall weightloss?

It's possible it's the anaemia (which is linked to Vitamin B12, I think).

How much red meat do you eat?

And also, @kakiqueen - why are you so worried about the fat?

@Sami89 if I remember correctly, BIWI said that it's an unexplained phenomenon, and the advice was to push past it because you're not doing anything wrong and you don't need to adjust your eating x

Any reason those cold infusion tea bags could make me feel bloated?! Long shot as they are sugar free. But I'm really uncomfortable and I can't pinpoint a reason

@Sami89

The big losses that you see in weeks 1 & 2 are due to using up the glycogen stores as well as losing some water weight and some fat.

It reflects the transitionary period from carb-burning to fat-burning.

Once you've transitioned, then you're burning fat - but there's no more water or glycogen so it's fat only, which is why the rate of loss is less.

There is a more scientific answer, and I've asked @StuntNun for her advice, as she is much more qualified and experienced than I am!

Butter mint tea is out of production! They stopped a few years ago and I was part of a fb group called Bring Back Buttermint. I had stockpiled loads of boxes when they started making them again.

@TakingontheWorld it is so odd hearing people talking about doing the school run! Ours won't be back until late August. Well done on the trousers find!

@KakiQueen have you thought about food intolerances? That was a very dairy heavy day.

Re electrolytes- I made a potassium broth last night. An old Gillian McKeith recipe: 2 litres of water add 3 celery sticks, 1 cup swede, beets if you have them (I didn't) a few carrots, and a tonne of parsley. Simmer low for 2 hours and strain the juice off. I added a teaspoon of marmite to it.

Talking of Gillian McKeith, here's what she has to say about a sore tongue.

Hello All, thanks for all you answers!
I got distracted by kids bed time etc.
@NumbsMet, I have been strict. No bread/fruit/hidden carbs, apart from 3 emergency strawberries tonight.

@BIWI, we eat red meat once a week and I have spinach in my salads every day. The vitamin tablets I currently have are effervescent and contain some sugar, so I've ditched them for now.
I'm not worried about the fat, I'm just a bit sick of it. Sick of all the foods I've been eating and I don't know what else to eat.

Sorry to be so down.

I will have a sleep and hopefully will feel better tomorrow.

Thank you all again,I really do appreciate it.