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an '20 - Week 5 Low Carb Bootcamp - Onwards and downwards!

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StuntNun · 10/02/2020 06:37

Welcome to week 5 of the Low Carb Bootcamp; we're nearly halfway through! If you've had a pause in your weight loss during week 3 or week 4, the scales should hopefully be moving again now and you can expect an average weight loss of half a pound to 2 lb each week. Nobody ever gets consistent weight loss from week to week so try not to get hung up on each week's weigh-in, it's the overall trend that we want to look at. If you're a daily weigher then try an app such as Happy Scales or True Weight that uses a rolling daily average to give you a more accurate record of your weight loss.

Add today's weight to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness. And here's to another great week...
Onwards and downwards!

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 13/02/2020 09:21

I guess it's a fine balance - I'd have been terrified to get a letter from my parents saying something they thought better written down than said!

I suppose I'm thinking that the more 'formal' the communication, the more pressure he might feel under. Which wouldn't be good. But then, if it's not unheard of in your family, he may not feel it that way.

Take away message - every parent says something horrible at some stage. Kids grow up to be normal anyway. Flowers

BIWI · 13/02/2020 09:35

@Listeningtowind What time period is that graph over? If it's over a week, then that could be normal fluctuations - especially if it's around your period.

What have you been eating/drinking? If you can list out what you've been eating/drinking over the last few days, let's see if we can spot anything.

BIWI · 13/02/2020 09:38

@Almahart

I would talk to him rather than a letter - gives you a chance to have a cuddle! Physical expressions of love are as important as intellectual/rational ones, IMO. Can always end it with a tickling session, which always used to work with DS1! End on fun/humour - as long as he's not averse to tickling, of course ...

I'd also say that at 9, he's on the cusp of/just entering puberty, and it's possibly a time when there is a weight gain - so I wouldn't obsess too much about him being over-weight. I'm not even sure I'd talk to him about his weight or try and plan a strategy with him to deal with it, as I think this might make him even more sensitive. I'd frame the conversation with him about sugar and healthy eating - and stress it's for the whole family and not just for him. You could also bring in dental health into the conversation too. But don't reinforce any messaging that you think he's fat.

BIWI · 13/02/2020 09:45

@BrassicaBabe

Flowers for you too.

I know it's hard - but just remember that your body does fluctuate quite naturally, and a pound up really isn't bad - you could see it disappear by tomorrow!

I came across this piece which might help (it's a bit 'woo' but nevertheless!).

From this site

The Sticking Points – Weight Loss Plateaus

By Dr. Rhonda Simpson, MD, CPC

Everyone who has tried to lose weight is familiar with this scenario: you start out like gangbusters. Your refrigerator and pantry are full of healthy veggies, lean proteins, and even some healthy fats like nuts and avocados. You make sure you eat your meals on time and plan to take your lunch every day. You never miss a day of exercise whether it’s an hour in the gym or walking at noon. You are weighing yourself at least once a day (and if truth be told, sometimes two or three times a day); you’re excited to watch the scale numbers as they drop.

And then it happens. It comes to a screeching halt. The numbers stop dropping. You wait a day and step on the scale again. Nothing. Perhaps a week goes by with no change… You feel frustrated and disappointed. You start thinking to yourself, “What’s the point?” “What am I doing wrong?” You feel ready to give up altogether.

Hitting a plateau is common. It can feel so frustrating! Know that you are not alone in this stage of weight loss! So what are we going to do? First thing; remember to stop and BREATHE! Remember that your body was designed to remain in balance. Your recent weight loss has thrown off that balance. Centuries of evolution to prevent starvation have resulted in a beautiful web- like structure of hormones that works to restore your body to homeostasis. Those hormones include the hormone leptin (which is partly responsible for helping you to feel full), ghrelin (which makes you feel hungry), cortisol (which increases fat stores and increases under stress), and insulin (which assists in energy metabolism). In addition to these hormones, a number of vitamins and minerals play an effect depending on current energy needs.

This complex web of hormones and nutrients ensure that you have the energy you need when you need it. How beautiful is that? Please spend some time appreciating the complexity of your body, and the fact that if you’re hitting a plateau everything is working as it should!

Now that you’ve stopped to breathe and recognize that our bodies are functioning as designed, what to do next? It’s time for some reflection. If you keep a food journal, take time to review it. Has anything shifted since you first changed your eating habits? Are you perhaps going out to eat more frequently? Perhaps that occasional cookie has become more common? It’s also time to look at your exercise habits. Are you still as active as you were at the beginning of your lifestyle changes?

Are you sleeping well? Perhaps the most overlooked reason for a weight loss plateau is actually increased stress, and therefore increased cortisol levels. Stress management in the form of mindfulness, other forms of meditation, yoga, or regular breathing practices such as heart-centered breathing can play a crucial role in lowering your cortisol levels.

It’s also important to decrease your weigh-ins. This seems counter-intuitive, doesn’t it? But consider this: we can to be addicted to the numbers on the scale. What do you feel as the number goes up? Down? The negative self-talk that often accompanies a plateau is stressful. It can cause increased cortisol, and therefore actually contribute to some weight gain! Weighing yourself daily to three times a day or more? Decrease the frequency to once per week. Remember that the weight loss will happen in its time. Continue your healthy lifestyle changes and your body will resume its weight loss.

So, if you find yourself at a sticking point during your weight loss journey, remember the following:

All is as it should be.
Don’t panic, stop and breathe!
Review your food diary, exercise plan, your sleep, and most importantly your stress management, to see if anything has changed
Make time every day for play, laughter, and joy! If you are feeling overwhelmed please remember to reach out for help!!

I've emphasised what I think are the key paragraphs in bold.

BIWI · 13/02/2020 09:52

There is also a well-recognised phenomenon called 'the sticking point' - at some stage in your weight loss, you stick at a certain weight. And usually, disappointingly (!), it's higher than you want to be. (I know for me it's 10.8).

This is to do with your body's desire for homeostasis, i.e. keeping everything balanced. Although quite why it should seek to balance itself at a higher weight I don't know.

There's a coaching piece here about it, from this site :

Zapping your “Sticking Points”
by patbarone |

Weight loss takes time. I’m often asked to define the best loss rate. My answer is: “The best rate is what your body and mind will allow. It will take as long as it takes YOU.”

There are natural restrictions on what your body will release in terms of weight. If you are careful to burn fat and nothing else (optimal because the body fights back when other elements of the body are threatened), you will release as much as your body can process. The process of burning fat is quite complicated, and doesn’t happen as efficiently as burning some butter on your stove – misunderstanding this is a big reason most people never achieve permanent weight loss.

The Scale Can't Tell What's Going on Inside the Body

Did you know that, if you could burn one pound of fat in a day (and you can’t), it would take 10 days for the body to process that fat, cleanse itself of the waste products produced, and actually lose that pound?

This is one of the many reasons the scale is pretty useless as a measuring tool and why I had to learn to look beyond it when I was losing my 90+ pounds.

If you have a lowered metabolism due to yo-yo weight patterns, age, hormonal fluctuations or repetitive dieting, your body might release fat very slowly at first. Permanent weight loss occurs when we respect what the body will release now and continue to follow its lead until you are living in a comfortable body.

Those are Physical Sticking Points. There are Mental Sticking Points too. Our minds start procrastinating, sabotaging, confusing, obstructing, pretending, blaming and rewriting:

Procrastinating: “I’ve got a lot going on right now. As soon as [fill in excuse] is over, I’ll get moving again.”

Sabotaging: “When I was losing weight pretty quickly, it was easy. Now, it’s going slower and it’s just too hard.”

Confusing: “This [fill in excuse] is more important right now. It’ll actually help me anyway, once I get this matter settled.”

Obstructing: “I can’t possibly pay attention to my exercise plan with all this going on in my life. It can wait. It won’t be long before I’m back on track.”

Pretending: “I feel a little different but I’m sure I haven’t regained. I’ll wait to weigh in until Monday because it’s easier on Mondays.”

Blaming: “My mother always makes my favorite meal when I visit. Once I’m derailed, it takes forever to get back on track!”

Rewriting: “I don’t understand. I worked out every day last week! Didn’t I? Sure I did.”

Most of us get very frustrated, even angry, at our bodies when they have reached their limits and won’t release more weight on command.
But the mental frustration that follows is more dangerous, because it clouds and confuses the issue. Mental grinding is debilitating because it costs so much energy and depletes morale.

In order to be successful long-term, it’s vitally important to get in touch with what works and doesn’t work for you. If fighting for control, striving for power over the body, and producing extreme stress is helpful, go for it. But realizing you’re in a no-win situation is actually a good thing. That’s where it’s possible to discover what does work.

Think from a long-term perspective. Whatever your methods now, they will have to be maintained at an even higher intensity when you are sustaining weight loss.

If you want to maintain mental grind while you’re losing weight, you’ll have to up the ante and struggle harder later.

Cultivating patience now, then being MORE patient later? Well, that’s not so hard.

CheddarGorgeous · 13/02/2020 09:59

Awesome posts @BIWI I recognise all of that in my thinking and it's the reason I've lost and gained the same 1 - 2 stone my whole frigging life!

BIWI · 13/02/2020 10:14

There's also 10 tips to overcome a weight loss plateau from My Fitness Pal - but remember this isn't written from a low carb perspective.

bibliomania · 13/02/2020 10:37

HI Alma, the thread might have moved on, but my own take is that parenting mistakes are much less harmful when the parent acknowledges them to the child. I think the harm is done when the child is torn between the instinct that their parents knows best and is in the right, and their feelings that whatever happened isn't right - it's that cognitive dissonance that creates problems.

Enjoyed my dinner last night - leek mushroom fried in butter with garlic and fresh thyme.

ShagMeRiggins · 13/02/2020 11:12

Alma you’ve received great advice but I want to add Flowers and say don’t worry, he’ll probably say far worse to you when he’s a teenager (if my experience is anything to go by)!

Joking aside, please be honest with him. Say what you said to us—sometimes people are upset or angry or frustrated about something or with someone, but they take it out on someone else.

Say that your concerns are for his health and his teeth, that you love him no matter what, that he’s gorgeous and amazing and lost all the things you admire about him.

Say that sometimes people use food as a way to feel better if they’re upset but that talking about being upset is a much better way to deal with things (and this is me projecting because I remember mainlining Snickers bars in my early teens and hiding the wrappers under my bed because I was terrified of telling anyone that I had been sexually molested. God I just want to give my young self a huge hug.)

Say that when you feel unfit you don’t feel as happy and that you don’t want him to be unhappy, but acknowledge he might be happy as he is and that you might be making assumptions (speaking of which, I’m making huge assumptions right there because I don’t know how you feel about your weight, not so I know your history and/or relationship with food, so please forgive me).

At each step of the way, ask him how he feels about what you’ve just said. Apologising and listening is hugely important when we make mistakes—and we all do—with our children. And others, actually.

Anyway, that’s what I’d do. But then I do go on and it doesn’t always work. Case in point, my eldest called me a pig and a twat this morning. Such charm. Such respect for his mother. Hmm

He’s actually a funny and deeply caring and determined boy. He will be a very good man some day, but right now he’s 15 and I don’t recommend it.

My uncle once said “I didn’t enjoy my adolescence. Nor anyone else’s.” Grin

ShagMeRiggins · 13/02/2020 11:23

Back to Bootcamp, sorry to add to derailment.

I feel I need to up my game. BIWI’s post about plateauing and sticking points has made me think about my own plateaus. Many many plateaus.

I’m certain cortisol levels are through the roof at times and that’s not doing me any good. Is there any easy way to measure this? Just curious.

Also, I can’t remember the last time I ate an egg or avocado or spinach or mushrooms. I feel I’m sticking to plan but not getting the most out of it in terms of optimal foods and nutrition, and believe that incorporating some of these great LCHF foods will improve my well being and possibly lower cortisol.

I used to love Nigella’s breakfast bruschetta—avocado prepared a certain way, tomato prepared a certain way—but honestly can’t think of a substitute for the sourdough bread upon which it’s meant to be served. Should I try a low-carb bread? I rarely eat breakfast anyway so this would be occasional.

I dunno. Feeling adrift this morning.

Off to drink some fecking WATER!!! I do know that everything feels better when I drink ALL THE WATER!

StuntNun · 13/02/2020 11:49

Shag Thriva can do a cortisol test for you if you can't get your GP to do it.

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ShagMeRiggins · 13/02/2020 11:54

Thanks, Stunt—just looked them up, loads of stuff I could test for!

TheClitterati · 13/02/2020 11:56

I read once that the Japanese talk about people "having fat" rather than "being fat" - I think it's a very poweful difference as its not moralistic and it's not the person - the fat is an unwanted add on, not the core of the person as I know I too often have felt.

"Oh I have too much fat at the moment - I could do with less"
vs
"I'm too fat. I am fat."

prettybird · 13/02/2020 12:01

On that BBC programme yesterday about health, Stephanie McGovern was "prescribed" tree therapy - going out and being mindful with nature and trees - to reduce her cortisol levels Smile (although she didn't succeed as she didn't get the "mindful" bit and was too competitive about it Confused)

TheClitterati · 13/02/2020 12:04

I was meant to give blood today but they have just cancelled due to staff shortages. I was too low on iron to donate 3 months ago and I was really keen to see if my iron levels have improved after 3 months of lots of greens, lentils (pre BC), meat and other iron rich foods.

MrsBertBibby · 13/02/2020 12:44

(((Alma))). You have so much on your plate.

MrsBertBibby · 13/02/2020 12:46

I finally got a new low weight this morning after a very static few days. 12 8 3/4!!! 12 1/2 stone is in sight!

BrassicaBabe · 13/02/2020 13:00

Hmm, some very thoughtful posts there BIWI. Re-reading to see what I can take away from it. I've been away since Monday morning, part of my disappointment (again) is that I've been super strict (and wine dry! Oh dear lord I want to moan so much about thatGrin) I haven't weighed since Monday and I was convinced something must have shifted. But nope, I've put weight on. Almost an extra disappointment for having had to wait to weigh in. Not weighing doesn't change the truth of what's happening or not, it's just hiding from the fact.

I think I get the stuff about waiting for my body to adjust and that I've got to be patient is the most likely point. But, I want to wail, I've been super strict since 20th Jan when I got back from Sweden; diet bang on (even if I learned that cream seems to be off the menu!), IF every day including weekends, I've not had this little alcohol since I was pregnant 9 years ago, drunk more water than ever and I'm still the same weight as when BC started.

I wonder if cortisol is affected by boredom at all? Work is busy but I'm super bored and generally demotivated. This demotivation is spilling over into day to day life and I'm generally not exercising as much as I've done in other months.

haha, I can't decide whether to be cross or upset!

Teapotdespot · 13/02/2020 13:12

Good lord I’m hungry today Confused strange how quickly you get used to having no appetite! I’m rather pleased though because I’m fairly sure it’s a sign I’m about to ovulate... AGAIN Grin I’ve gone from 50 day+ cycles to 2 consecutive cycles between 23 and 28 days since starting boot camp Grin take that PCOS!

Due to increased hunger I’ve just popped to Tesco extra across the road and I’m having a feast for lunch Grin

B: coconut cream coffee

L: Greek salad bowl, lemon and herb chicken, fage total FF yoghurt

D: beef stew topped with thin sliced celeriac and cheese, flgv

S: 17g pack of pistachio nuts Grin

This is the first full day of food I’ve been able to eat for about 2 weeks due to work etc so I’m mega excited Grin I didn’t realise, but looking back on what I’ve actually managed to eat while work has been mad is really shocking. It’s fillings from sandwiches/ sausage rolls, cream in coffee, the very occasional desperate expositions to KFC/ McDonald’s/ motorway services and only very occasionally more than 1 meal a day not including creamy coffee in the morning. I haven’t finished a full plate of proper food for 2 weeks. Not good at all.

I’ve just got half way through my salad for lunch and my appetite has vanished after feeling super hungry before Sad

Having a bit more luck with the yoghurt. Should I be pushing myself to eat when I’m not hungry?

prettybird · 13/02/2020 13:20

Brassicababe - I cant remember off-hand how long you've been on these Boot Canp threads, but I remember when ilovecherries was stuck for months on the same weight, frustratingly just above 11stone - and she wasn't anywhere near as close to target as you are Shock

She was super-strict (and also off the alcohol) and KOKO - and eventually the scales started moving downwards again Smile

Teapotdespot · 13/02/2020 13:24

@BrassicaBabe I feel your pain!

My weight fluctuated a full 7lbs up over 5 days in week 3/4 and I nearly launched my scales out of the bathroom window Angry

I rationalised though that it was impossible to gain 5lbs of fat in 5 days from eating what I was eating, so it HAD to be a weird water retention/ settling down thing.

It was, the scales all of a sudden started moving again despite me not doing anything at all differently. You can see it’s starting to slow down again now after a ‘whoosh’ and I imagine that will be what progress looks like; whoosh - stable - whoosh - stable but every time there’s a new, lower set of numbers that you fluctuate between Smile

Weight is such a stupid measure of bodies!

an '20 - Week 5 Low Carb Bootcamp - Onwards and downwards!
BIWI · 13/02/2020 13:26

@BrassicaBabe I'd say that boredom is a super stresser!

Best advice I can give you (@StuntNun might have something more scientific that will help Grin) - why not step back and see what you've achieved, and try and look at things positively? I fear you're being a little too harsh on yourself, when actually you've done really well.

Giving up the wine is a fantastic achievement (believe you me, I understand that one!), and you've negotiated your way through a trip to Germany and managed to stay on plan.

On top of that, (presumably) you've been eating lovely, tasty and wholesome foods. What's not to like?!

Almahart · 13/02/2020 13:49

Hi all, just out of a very long meeting. Thank you for all your support. I’m feeling much better and will have a cuddle and chat with ds tonight.

I hope it’s okay if I get my post removed because it contains loads of identifying info.

Doing ok food wise - ff yog for breakfast, pret tuna salad on the train just now. Scales not shifting it I’m in week 4 so okay with that.

BrassicaBabe · 13/02/2020 13:51

Bloody good news in the cycle front teapot And thank you folks for your kind words and advice. Here's what I'm going to do:

Stop banging on. I'm boring myself now!
Egg fast today. Maybe it was the buffet cheese on Tuesday I need to face up to and deal with.
KOKO with the attempt of looking at the long game rather than the short game
Enjoy champers and steak with DH tomorrow
Try and find some kind voices in my head.
Attempt to step away from the scales.

Teapotdespot · 13/02/2020 14:09

I need menu help for tomorrow night, although I got to pick the restaurant so it’s a bbq smokehouse Grin

I’m thinking
starter: brisket burnt ends

I’m struggling for mains, maybe steak with sauce and salad instead of chips? Any better ideas?

www.theoldmillsmokehouse.co.uk/