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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The next Low Carb Bootcamp starts on 13 May

291 replies

BIWI · 30/04/2019 16:28

This is the official sign-up thread!

As ever, it will be for 10 weeks, so the final weigh-in will be Monday 22 July, so will finish just in time for the school summer holidays.

If you want to join us, just add your name to the list, then post the new list:

BIWI

OP posts:
BIWI · 10/05/2019 21:51

A very warm welcome, to everyone - whether you're a newbie or if you've low carbed/done Bootcamp before.

So we have the weekend now, before we start, and this is a very good time to get planning and get everything in place.

Make sure you've dealt with/eaten/disposed of any low carb temptations. But most importantly, make sure you have planned for your food and meals over the next week.

*Low carbing isn't an easy WOE (way of eating), and the wider world isn't very low carb-friendly! So make sure you have plenty of foods to hand at home, and that you know what you're going to eat when you're out and about. It's a clichéd saying, but it's all too true here - failure to plan is planning to fail

OP posts:
BIWI · 10/05/2019 21:52

Go and have a read of the recipe threads that are linked to in the Bootcamp topic - they're sorted by protein type, as well as being vegetarian and also a dessert thread.

OP posts:
Stiffasaboard · 10/05/2019 22:13

Please can someone add me?

I think I’m going to find eating fats so hard mentally - I grew up with rosemary Conley telling me that we’re work of the devil! As such I eat no butter or oil or cream and I haven’t had any cheese for about ten years!

Am also going to struggle without artificial sweeteners.

But I know I need to change and would welcome the support.
Thanks BIWI.

MrsBertBibby · 10/05/2019 22:37

Any chance of re-stickying the vegetarian recipe thread BIWI?

felippertyfeck · 10/05/2019 22:38

Oops looks like my name had been knocked off the list. Added you Stiffasaboard.

I had a dry run of the cauliflower cheese BIWI. Really good had to fight off DH who loved it as well! Thank you :)

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Sadiesnakes · 10/05/2019 22:43

Been waiting for this!

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BIWI · 11/05/2019 07:58

@Stiffasaboard - it all seems so counter-intuitive when you first start. I remember tucking into bacon and eggs for breakfast in my first week and DH saying to me 'you're never going to lose weight if you eat that!' But he was wrong.

When we post the spreadsheet, which will be in the OP of the first chat thread on Monday, have a look at the tabs on the bottom at all the resources there. You'll find lots of articles and videos linked there which will give you really important info and data about the science of low carbing. Once you understand that, it does really make it much easier to follow.

@MrsBertBibby thanks for letting me know! For some reason those posts keep losing their stickies - I'm forever having to ask MMHQ to re-sticky them. No idea why that happens.

OP posts:
nixpix · 11/05/2019 08:33

I need to get back into this. Have lost weight easily doing low carb in the past. Have added my name to the list.
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MrsBertBibby · 11/05/2019 08:40

Thanks BIWI

RainbowHash · 11/05/2019 09:03

I'm in! Thanks BIWI. I won't lie - I'm nervous though. Giving up alcohol is going to be the hardest aspect. Want to lose 1stone. Good luck everyone!

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BalloonSlayer · 11/05/2019 09:12

I am in again!

Found Bootcamp incredible and a revelation last time. I have tried to keep it up but have had "carb creep" over the last few weeks.

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BIWI · 11/05/2019 10:06

@RainbowHash you'll only have to give it up for two weeks though!

OP posts:
OpsilonUpsideYourHead · 11/05/2019 11:38

I'd like to join too, please. I need motivating to finally lose weight instead of definitely starting my diet tomorrow!

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GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 11/05/2019 11:40

Can I join please? Another total newbie.

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I think I'm about 2 stone overweight, and I'm hoping this will work for me as I can't stand being hungry - tried 5:2 and it just made me miserable and obsessed with food.

I trained as an actor and have just got my first post-kids paid gig - a touring production that I've just started rehearsals for. I'd very much like to not be the fat lass in the cast!

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 11/05/2019 11:41

Cross-posted with OpsilonUpsideYourHead

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 11/05/2019 11:51

Also, can I ask a couple of questions - is courgetti ok as a pasta substitute? Wasn't sure if it counted as a high carb veg.

And I know I can't have sushi because of the rice, but I'm guessing sashimi is ok? Do I need to give the soy sauce a miss?

Fuzzyend · 11/05/2019 11:55

Me too! OMAD & low carb - gulp...

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RainbowHash · 11/05/2019 13:00

@BIWI - ah, cool, I hadn't registered! Will stock up in sugar free tonic! How do we feel about humous?!

wonkymumbun · 11/05/2019 13:01

Me please

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Allhailthesun
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Leelaseye
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Swimmingdory
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OldKingCole
1stMrsF
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Notwiththeseknees
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MrsBertBibby · 11/05/2019 13:39

Hummus is very carby, sadly. All pulses and beans are.

Courgette is very low carb, I used courgetti last time around.

RainbowHash · 11/05/2019 13:45

Thanks @mrsbertbibby

Mandelinka · 11/05/2019 13:48

I’m in!

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Ilovecherries
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WhatTheFronti
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Flyingsouthwiththeswallows
SittingontheSidelines
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TheSquiffyQuiff
Littlebillie
bluelefant
MeltedEggMum
NLisa
bandit34
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BIWI · 11/05/2019 14:46

@GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal Courgette is a perfect low carb veg - not sure why you thought it would be high carb? And it's a great substitute for pasta.

Sashimi would be ok but you do need to watch the soy sauce as it can be quite carby - it very much depends on the brand. Kikkoman's is 3.2g carbs per 100ml, but Sainsbury's light soy is 20.6g for the same amount!

@Fuzzyend - why OMAD? In the first two weeks of Bootcamp you're supposed to have three meals a day.

@RainbowHash no artificial sweeteners I'm afraid! There are two reasons for this - first, we're trying to eat food that's as unprocessed and as natural as possible. And second, we're also trying to break the hold that sweet things have over us.

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MrsBertBibby · 11/05/2019 15:53

Rainbow I found last time that anything sweet became undrinkable after a while : I could only really drink even very dry white wine with soda in it. If you stick at it you might find gin and soda much nicer.