Week 3 - decision-making time!

[AthelstaneTheUnready]

Welcome to week 3!

As BIWI's away, she asked if I would start the week 3 thread. I've stolen her words from a previous week 3, as it's such a good explanation of bootcamp v. bootcamp light.

That’s great Leaving. A lovely surprise.
Northern that so good and I am feeling the same. Clothes that actually fit .

Parsley I eat loads of fat, if that helps. I am surprised but impressed with how it helps with weight loss or maybe I should say reorganizing my body into a healthier me.

I'm slightly up on last week but I'm not surprised, I made a cake last week for DP in an effort to use up some duck eggs and, whilst it wasn't the best cake-wise I managed to eat quite a lot of it in the days since. Other than baking with kids it's possibly the first time I've baked in a year: making cupcakes with friends' kids recently reminded me how much I enjoyed it. Problem is that I hate throwing food away and DP will eat so much and then stop, so I tend to finish cakes off. A habit I don't want to get back into.

Thanks for your kindness following my outburst last week. Sorry, can't cope with facing people after being like that but I did read your comments. The thing that was broken can, sort of, be fixed, ie I'll use modelling clay to hold it together. One good thing that came from it was that, for once in my life, I actually stood up for myself and messaged the mother saying it was not on, and I didn't want her children back in my office. Considering my initial reaction was to try to figure out how to blockade my area off, which would be more usual for me, until I realised that I shouldn't have to give up time to move stuff around just to stop someone who shouldn't be in the office getting to it I'm quite impressed with myself. I did get another apology, and I have, finally, calmed down about it. But thanks, everyone who responded, for doing so.

In other news it's HOT here, and the midgies are out. What a combination. So one either wears as little as possible and gets eaten alive, or else covers up from the midgies and melts. Despite the heat I managed 25 miles this weekend in a combination of walking, cycling and running, which was fairly good going. Am shattered now, mind! A friend suggested I combine my long run this Saturday with sunrise. However, I'm not sure I'll be out my bed for half four, even though that would avoid the heat. I'll think about it.....

Right. I’m at the airport with free WiFi and a pretty much fully-charged iPad, so here goes ...

First @Twoo apologies if you thought I was accusing you (or anyone else) of lying, my post was a bit off the cuff, but does reflect the fact that over the years I’ve been running Bootcamps it has become very predictable that people will post complaining that they haven’t lost anything, insist that they've followed the rules, but when pressed will confess to 'just one' cake or chocolate or glass of wine, etc. You get the picture. This WOE isn’t a forgiving one, and if you cheat, it won’t work.

I'm not saying that applies to you @Twoo! This was a general comment/question, but particularly in relation to posts made by @RuffleBelly and @farine.

However, and this is really important for all of us:

WE HAVE ONLY JUST STARTED WEEK 3!

Please don’t get despondent if you haven’t lost as much as other people. It's not a competition. Everyone loses differently.

And has already been said many times on these threads, it’s not always about the number on the scales. Have you measured yourself? Have you been trying on clothes that were initially a bit small or tight?

If you haven’t seen a loss, or have seen a gain, you need to ask yourself:

Have I really followed the rules?
Have I eaten plenty of fat - really?
Have I drunk the water?

If you can, hand on heart, say yes to the above, then:

Are you eating a lot of dairy?
Are you snacking between meals?
Are your portion sizes too large?
Are you on any kind of medication? (even ibuprofen)
Are you fairly near your target, with not that much to lose?

Have you been a serial dieter? Switching from one diet to another can mean that it takes a bit of time for your body to 'trust' you!

And if you really have been doing everything perfectly and still aren’t seeing the scales move or the inches go, just ask yourself this:

Are you enjoying the food?
Do you feel deprived?
Does it feel like you’re on a diet?
What would it be like if you went back to calorie counting?
What would it be like it you went back to low fat?

Ultimately it’s your decision whether you want to continue. I can’t make it work for you. I’d be a millionaire if I could

But I’ll help as much as I can, but just be realistic and patient. Hundreds of other Bootcampers will tell you that it works if you stick with it,

Hello! Well done on all the losses and sorry to hear it's not happening for some. I've found in the past that too much dairy was a real stalker for me, as was not enough water.

Please could someone put me down for a 2lb loss? I'm away camping with erratic WiFi. I had been worried about camping as food can be such a faff, especially with no refrigerator, but am really chuffed that I have kept with it.
Good luck everyone for the 3rd week!

Thanks for that BIWI.

I’m down another lb this week, its been off and on all week but with a bit of determination I will get it off.

I have now got low carb ice cream (halo top as nowhere locally stock oppo) and in general will stick with bootcamp with occasional sensible treats.

I went to the cinema this afternoon and resisted all snacks. I did make the mistake of drinking nearly a litre of water while watching the film though, so I was bursting for the toilet by the end.

I’m making pork belly with roast veg and salad for dinner.

For all who are struggling, my story is: almost 2st lost over 3 (this is the fourth) bootcamps.

I have never had a 'whoosh'. I'm not young.

There have been weeks and weeks when I've stayed the same, and some weeks it's increased. Weight loss is not linear, and neither is weight gain.

I was BMI 25 when I started so I didn't ever expect huge losses.

I'm BMI 21-something now, so I don't expect huge losses.

2 years, 2st (almost), and I know if I had been eating 'normally' it would have been 2st in the wrong direction.

Give it longer than 3 weeks is what I'm trying to say. Give it 10 weeks and then decide. KOKO was the best thing I've done for me in years, and the science behind this means it WILL work. I would put money on it.

for everyone.

Bugger. Forgot to weigh this morning. Will do tomorrow

No loss for me this week but that's most likely due to the lack of water for three days while I was being ventilated, combined with antibiotics. I'm holding onto the thought that this has stalled me. I'm taking comfort from the fact that I am definitely in ketosis because it was commented on when they were doing tests at the hospital.

Today I've eaten

B creamy coffee
L cold chicken thigh with skin on, half an avocado and dollop of mayo
D homemade BBQ burger, 1 low carb sausage, green salad dressed with olive oil and celeriac remoulade.
I'm on track for 3L of water

BIWI I would really appreciate your comments on my food.

Yesterday I ate

B creamy coffee
L green salad with oil, dollop of cream cheese with chopped anchovies
D steak, courgette cooked in butter, asparagus and creamed leeks

I think one of my main problems is being surrounded by feeders - DH and my support staff all see it as their duty to "make sure I eat" and DH in particular keeps trying to give me portion sizes the same as his. He is 6'2" and never still, typical bloke eats whatever he wants and never puts on an ounce. I find it hard to leave food on my plate, be firm and say no, know what size portions I should be eating. Today was typical DH has the hump because I didn't want the marinated pork loin and lamb kebab with my burger and sausage!!!!!!

LCHF retreat anyone???? Just us and our delicious food

I’m so stuffed from dinner. I made some roast carrots for the children and had a tiny bite of one (that I accidentally put on my plate alongside roast broccoli and leeks). It was so sweet. It was like eating sugar!

I am not weighing... but I have now lost 5 inches from around my waist. Yesterday I managed to negotiate a meal in Yo Sushi... I ate a lot of Salmon sashimi! Today I tried on some of my target clothes and two blouses now fit. What were previously my favourite trousers are now back in my wardrobe! Feeling much more confident and in control! My appetite is much smaller and I feel energised and fab!

Today was a bit of a disaster. Think I have tonsillitis. Loads of ice-cream!

I have lost 2lb this week and as I started a week before boot camp started that’s 10lb over the three weeks. I’m very pleased with this. I have done lchf twice before and always stalled and given up but I’m feeling more positive this time. I’m also losing inches and am now a comfortable size 14.... I was squeezing myself into clothes and feeling uncomfortable but not now. I’m going to try and keep going on BC fir as long as I can.

Would someone kind please put 1lb loss on for me for this week. I can’t seem to do it.

I am staying on BC. I would rather lose the weight than eat anything that may jeopardise it this side of my holiday at least... End of July! I just wish my bloody arms would start to shrink, I hate them!

Staying on bootcamp here, thanks for your feedback and thoughts @BIWI
I've looked back at what I have eaten over the last two weeks and think I will drop the cheese and mayo completely this week and see if that helps at all. I go on holiday this Friday so anything I can lose between now and then will be fab.

Still waiting for the tiredness to shift, maybe when that shifts the weight will start to drop too.

Anyone els waking with headaches?

Back on it today after a very hungover day yesterday where toast and chocolate accidentally fell into my mouth

Breakfast: protein bar - best I could do in a rush on the way to work
Lunch: chicken salad, mixed nuts, greek yogurt
Dinner: pork loin steaks fried in butter, and some cucumber

Had a family get together at ours today and have been eagerly anticipating that glass of red wine all week. After piously refusing alcohol for the last fortnight (and feeling pretty damn resentful about it too at times), when it came to it, I only really wanted sparkling water, so didn't bother. Bloody hell BIWI, what have you done to me??
Also managed to avoid the potato salad Couscous, crisps although I did suck the flavouring off one and pavlova. Trouble is one beef burger, one sausage and a bit of lettuce later I'm now starving so am off to have some eggs mashed in butter

I'm kind of screwed for the next few days, I'm in Mainland Europe tomorrow and wed for a business trip and dinner out tomorrow night is Thai. Then my daughter is home Thursday and on Friday we are taking her to a Michelin starred restaurant for her birthday, so that's going to be a bit boozey and also carby looking at the menu.

I'll do what I can in between, but I'm defintely going to struggle a bit.😔

I was waking with headaches a lot @farine but over the last few days they seem to have stopped. I noticed they were worse the more water I drank so perhaps it was an electrolyte thing. I've also significantly upped my fat intake over the last few days as I was out of whack with that and eating too much protein, so maybe that was a factor too.

Yarboosucks that sounds fantastic what a boost.

Pebbles why ice cream? You could have chosen Greek yogurt or sucked an ice cube. I can't answer the "why" but you deserve to give yourself the best chance at this.

Farine glad you're staying

Waswitty avoiding self sabotage in social situations is really hard, I'm with you on the fizzy water front I'm really enjoying it too.

Don't give up the mayo!!! You need the fat. Please, please, please understand that fat is not bad.

I thought eating lots of mayo was bad as it's processed and maybe that's causing the stalling? Happy to keep on eating it if it's all good for me.

Well i’n Just back from a weekend away so haven’t managed to weigh yet but will tomorrow. I’m someone who has ‘dieted’ in and off for most of my adult life and this is the first time EVER I haven’t done a complete ‘fuck it’ when i’ve been away or to a celebration/meal out of any kind. I stuck to this woe completely while we were away because I wanted to and I genuinely didn’t feel like I was depriving myself at all. This is a total revelation to me and DP couldn’t believe it! I usually say, ‘i’m gojng to eat what I want while i’m out/while we’re away and i’ll get straight back to if afterwards’ (I never do!) But this time, I wanted to do it. I had a mouthful of Diet Coke and it was too sweet-DP had to eat the rest, I had 2 vodkas with soda and fresh lime, and apart from that, chose foods with no carbs. If any of you have a fazenda nearby, I can confirm it’s perfect for LCHF, loads of fantastic meat of course, but on the buffet they have asparagus, broccoli, cheese, parmesan to sprinkle, mayo, and even pork scratchings! I had a really fabulous meal, all low carb. I do feel slightly apprehensive about tomorrow’s weigh in though, simply because of the quantities I ate. I felt over full last night for the first time since starting BC and I think it’s because I was trying to justify the £32.50 i’d paid for my meal, so I really hope I don’t regret that tomorrow!

Well done all on the loses and for those who haven’t yet lost, heed BIWI and KOKO.

I’m going to keep going with strict BC, simply because I’m enjoying it and not feeling the need to add anything at this stage, and I’ve ordered myself a dressmaker’s tape measure ready to measure for the differences on the weeks where I stall, which I accept will come.