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Low-carb bootcamp

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New Year, New Start Boot Camp (the one without BIWI): Preparatory thread

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prettybird · 01/01/2018 18:37

Although Boot Camp only starts formally on the 8th, people have asked for an introductory thread, so that they can get prepared. I may not be BIWI but she has lent me her Big Stick Grin However, this week, there shouldn't be any need for the Big Stick: you can ask questions and seek advice so that you can hit the ground running.

NB: I am not medical (nor is BIWI ) so if you have any medical issues, you should seek suitably qualified advice. This is a Way of Eating that has helped me lose 3 stone since May, without ever feeling hungry Smile - and there are many other success stories.

Someone (and I am sure she will remind me again who she is Blush) said on the last Boot Camp or the one before that even if a goal seems a long way away, and as such potentially unachievable, the time will pass anyway, whatever we do. So if we want to change things, we may as well start.

I am posting a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness from the last Boot Camp - but only so that you can access the tabs where there are various resources: carb values for veg, reading to do, and some recipes (although there is also the Boot Camp recipe thread to go to) For the moment, ignore the names on the Weigh-In tab - @SayrraT will be producing a new spreadsheet with all those that have signed up in time for the official start next week.

Here are The Rules you need to follow for the first two weeks of Boot Camp. This gives your body a chance to "fat adapt" and for you to learn to eat because you are hungry, not because you crave carbs/sugar. As you get used to this Way of Eating (WoE), you will be amazed to find how often you are not hungry. You will find your fat stores give you sufficient energy.

For newbies, it is important to eat 3 meals a day - even if it is just a nominal breakfast/bulletprooof coffee (coffee blended with butter). Otherwise, you may find that hunger - or habit - will lead you to fall face first back into carby twatdom and then you need to start that process of fat-adaption all over again. Some of us who have now been low carbing for a while have found that we can follow 16:8 fasting or even the occasional 24 hour fast - but this is not something to be done in the early weeks.

So, here are the Rules. After 2 weeks 1 (or whoever takes over the next stint of the BIWI Replacement Programme Wink) the rules will be posted for Boot Camp Lite. Many of us who are still actively trying to lose weight tend to follow Boot Camp during the week (maybe with extra berries and nuts) and then allow a small amount of alcohol at the weekend)

  1. Eat three proper meals a day.
"You must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack). After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger. A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)"
  1. Avoid processed foods.
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins Daybreak bars.
  1. Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food.
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.
  1. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best
  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
"The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be: Your Weight----Litres 140lbs-----2.5 160lbs-----3.0 180lbs-----3.0 200lbs-----3.5 220lbs-----3.5 240lbs-----4.0 260lbs-----4.5 280lbs-----4.5 300lbs-----5.0 320lbs-----5.5 340lbs-----5.5 360lbs-----6.0 380lbs-----6.5 400lbs-----6.5 High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt."
  1. No alcohol.
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.
  1. No fruit.
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.
  1. No nuts/seeds.
  1. No sugar or artificial sweeteners. Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.
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ASDismynormality · 02/01/2018 16:54

raisins olives make a good snack too.

raisinsraisins · 02/01/2018 17:09

Thanks, I'll try the Brussels sprouts. What oil is generally a good alternative to butter as I don't like butter or margarine. Is olive oil ok to use?

Yum to pate..... but my problem is that if I had a pate in the fridge I would eat the whole thing....!

prettybird · 02/01/2018 17:13

Never tried doing them with oil - I always use a slab of butter (which also adds the moisture to helps the microwave steaming process) and then season well. I suppose olive oil would be ok - or you could try coconut oil (the KTC brand available in Asian shops or the ethnic aisle in supermarkets us flavourless).

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BadlyParkedRangeRover · 02/01/2018 18:22

Day 2 and already not hungry!
B: FF greek yoghurt, double cream
L: asleep
D: 2 eggs scrambled in butter, smoked salmon, cream cheese
Night shift lunch: broccoli and stilton soup
S: cheese cubes, chopped frankfurter and have pork scratchings for emergencies (4am crash)
It's a bit veg light, i do struggle with that on nights! Tomorrow morning breakfast will involve cucumber and tomatoes!

mrsreynolds · 02/01/2018 18:34

I'm in!
Low carb seems to be the only thing that works for me weight loss wise but I find it sooooo hard 😔

I'm allergic to cheese and yoghurt so 2 big high fat snacks out for a start 😔

I am a carb addict...but I think the no fruit is what I'll struggle with. That and having to eat breakfast

Would welcome any tips!

prettybird · 02/01/2018 18:39

Eggs for breakfast? Or think differently and/or German and have left overs from the night before - including the veg - or cold meats.

You can have some fruit (berries) after the first 2 weeks, so you don't need to go without for too long.

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mrsreynolds · 02/01/2018 18:47

I love eggs luckily!

ditavonteesed · 02/01/2018 18:59

badlyparked, i'm on nights thursday, friday and saturday so i can't wait to see how you get on. I normally fall face first into a family bag of chilli dorritos on nights.

Alwaysinmyheart · 02/01/2018 19:06

Ooh can I join? I weighed myself today and I'm 11stone 9lbs! It's the heaviest I've ever been and it's all round my waist, I measured my waist and it's 43 inches. Really bad. I did Atkins many years ago and lost 2 stone on it, stopped as got scared about all the anti eating fat propaganda and put it all back on. Been reading up on Atkins again today to get myself back in the right mindset, giving away all my Xmas chocolate and starting planning my meals for the week. I know it's hard at first but looking forward to losing the tum. I want to be 10 stone by Easter which I think is achievable.

BadlyParkedRangeRover · 02/01/2018 19:17

Hey Dita i find that nights make me feel sick so deliberately started now!
Pork scratchings are boot camp friendly!

mrsreynolds · 02/01/2018 19:17

I'm 11.7
And I'm 5 foot 4
Waist is 34 :(
Huge 36ff boobs
Hate it

headoutofthesand · 02/01/2018 20:02

Thanks stunt, gammel and pretty for answering my question. That all makes sense.
I had my favourite breakfast of bagel with banana and honey today and my favourite easy lunch of baguette and baked beans so a bit of a last hurrah on the carbs for me. I want to have a jacket potato at some point over the next couple of days, finish off the last of the Christmas bits and then start properly on Monday.
I was in Waitrose today which is the only place I know from doing the Blood Sugar Diet that sells the smaller pots of Total so I stocked up on those but forgot a couple of other things which have been recommended from there (the vanilla powder and mayo IIRC). This made me realise that I will be near a Lidl on Friday, a shop I can't normally get to easily. Anything useful for boot camp that you can buy there & not get anywhere else?

TheMonkeysOnTheTable · 02/01/2018 20:38

Thanks for the thread PrettyBird.
I’ve put on 1lb over Christmas (actually it might be more because I had a few carby nibbles on NYE which I could still pay for next weigh in). In general I drank too much wine and not enough water. I was quite good other than that - no potatoes or bread and only a small amount of 70% chocolate. NYE I think I had a handful of crisps and a small amount of popadom so again could have been worse.
I can feel bad habits slipping in though (snacking, not drinking water etc) so I’m glad that the new boot camp is upon us.

I lost 17lbs last boot camp. I’m now 12st5lb. I’d like to lose a stone on this bc - which leaves me with another stone or so to lose after to get to goal.

prettybird · 02/01/2018 21:09

Head -I get the large tub of Greek Styke yoghurt from Lidl - it lasts me about a week (although if I'm not having breakfast for whatever reason, it's good for 2+ weeks). Make sure not to get the low fat version by mistake (it looks very similar): it is foul. guess who has been caught out twice? Blush second time I just threw it out Hmm

I do most of my shopping in Lidl: the duck breasts are great (I run the skin with spices like cinnamon or ras al hanout and score them, as are the pork belly slices, the salami Milano, the pastrami, the Emmenthal slices, the free range whole roast chicken, the lamb leg steaks, the free range eggs, dry cure back bacon, ribeye steaks, dh tells me that the mushrooms are good I don't eat them , shallots, celeriac, bags of brussels, avocado, Parmesan......

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lavenderhoney · 02/01/2018 21:33

Hello everyone, I'm a low carber but have been on and off especially over Christmas because I not only had lots of roast potatoes I got married as well:) I did LC bootcamp about 4 years ago ( thanks BIWI) And it's had a hand in changing my life :)

I don't drink so I am ok with that, don't like sweets or biscuits and hate fruit so my big struggle is with water, and drinking loads of it. I have a bit of a tummy but plan to run a bit, and make myself do Pilates everyday. I don't have any scales but I have a great big full length mirror and I wear fitted clothes so it's quite easy to tell if I am getting podgy. I plan to stop the podge before it starts getting out of control!

Hyggeligt · 02/01/2018 22:02

Hi there
I have lost a good amount of weight following this method before - and have gained a good amount of weight due to lots of life events happening and then emotional eating Sad
Please may i ask a few questions - sorry if they sound a bit dim.
How much cheese is 'ok' as in how much would make a portion of a hard cheddar or parmesan?
Would something like ratatouille and grated cheese be ok for lunch? I have put a homemade one into MFP and it has 22g carbs and 7g fibre, so 15g net carbs - is that high?
I am not vegetarian but don't eat pork/lamb/beef, but do eat fish, poultry and eggs.
Thank you for any advice or feedback. I really have to make this work for me, my clothes are getting too snug and I feel tired with feeling this heavy but I am a little overwhelmed so am working on planning a couple of weeks meals in advance.

prettybird · 02/01/2018 22:20

No idea how much cheese would be too much. But dairy can stall some people - so maybe start out having it and then you can always cut it out later if you're struggling/stalling.

There is an argument that stronger flavoured cheeses are better than mild cheese, as you can have a small piece and have enough. I find sometimes I want/need a bit of salt/umami flavour and will have a small chunk of Parmesan.

You shouldn't need to put things into MFP - the point about this WOE is that you don't need to count your carbs. A ratatouille should be ok if you don't put too many tomatoes in it. So, aubergines, peppers ugh but that's just me , courgettes, shallots, plenty of oil - and only a few tomatoes. A stronger flavoured cheese would mean that you wouldn't need so much, if you do want cheese on top of it.

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abbey44 · 02/01/2018 22:23

Hello. I missed joining the last Boot Camp, but have been low-carbing since the end of August (and have lost nearly two and a half stones since then), feel so much better & clearly it works for me. I need to lose about the same again, or a bit more, so I'd love to join this Boot Camp, if you'll have me.

I'm 5ft 6, and today weighed in at 12st 12lbs - I'm aiming to get to 10st eventually, but I'd love to get to 11st-something by the end of BC.

prettybird · 02/01/2018 22:27

Re your meat/protein: make sure to have chicken with skin on and plenty of oily fish. You've reminded me that I used to make a dish of white fish grilled with a cream and cheese mix and a slice of tomato. Must make it again Smile

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prettybird · 02/01/2018 22:28

Congratulations on getting married Lavenderhoney - you do know that we need photos! Grin

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lisbapalea · 02/01/2018 22:30

just checking in to log my food for the day:

B - egg fried in butter with homemade guacamole leftover from yesterday
L - amazing pork belly at Ask Italian (50% off mains at the moment so my lunch out cost £7.50!), with broccoli and rocket salad instead of potatoes. The pork was amazing!
D - courgetti with prawn, shallots and cream sauce

Lots of water plus two coffees.

chemicalkevsmoped · 02/01/2018 22:36

I'm so inspired! I did low carbing before and it worked really well - just need to get a couple of LC eating days under my belt and I'll be back in the saddle.

Hyggeligt · 02/01/2018 22:39

Thank you prettybird

LeapinLizards · 02/01/2018 23:30

I'm in too. I've done a bit of lowcarbing but not as strict as here. I continued with milk, for example. I'm vegetarian so I'm not sure how easy I'll find it to follow this WOE strictly but I reckon, if it's only 2 weeks of being strict, I can manage that.
Question about nuts/seeds - prettybird your post mentions not allowed. How come? I was planning to eat quite a lot of them as a source of protein. I won't get that from meat/fish since I'm veggie.

prettybird · 02/01/2018 23:40

LeapinLizard - if you're veggie, you can have nuts and seeds - for the very reason that you mention, they are your source of protein. The rest of us have to cut them out for the first two weeks and then only add them in moderation.

If that wasn't clear in my OP (I'm on the app and have bookmarked, so difficult to go back to the start), then there's definitely a tab in the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness with guidelines for veggies.

Hope that helps!

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