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New Year, New Start Boot Camp (the one without BIWI): Preparatory thread

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prettybird · 01/01/2018 18:37

Although Boot Camp only starts formally on the 8th, people have asked for an introductory thread, so that they can get prepared. I may not be BIWI but she has lent me her Big Stick Grin However, this week, there shouldn't be any need for the Big Stick: you can ask questions and seek advice so that you can hit the ground running.

NB: I am not medical (nor is BIWI ) so if you have any medical issues, you should seek suitably qualified advice. This is a Way of Eating that has helped me lose 3 stone since May, without ever feeling hungry Smile - and there are many other success stories.

Someone (and I am sure she will remind me again who she is Blush) said on the last Boot Camp or the one before that even if a goal seems a long way away, and as such potentially unachievable, the time will pass anyway, whatever we do. So if we want to change things, we may as well start.

I am posting a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness from the last Boot Camp - but only so that you can access the tabs where there are various resources: carb values for veg, reading to do, and some recipes (although there is also the Boot Camp recipe thread to go to) For the moment, ignore the names on the Weigh-In tab - @SayrraT will be producing a new spreadsheet with all those that have signed up in time for the official start next week.

Here are The Rules you need to follow for the first two weeks of Boot Camp. This gives your body a chance to "fat adapt" and for you to learn to eat because you are hungry, not because you crave carbs/sugar. As you get used to this Way of Eating (WoE), you will be amazed to find how often you are not hungry. You will find your fat stores give you sufficient energy.

For newbies, it is important to eat 3 meals a day - even if it is just a nominal breakfast/bulletprooof coffee (coffee blended with butter). Otherwise, you may find that hunger - or habit - will lead you to fall face first back into carby twatdom and then you need to start that process of fat-adaption all over again. Some of us who have now been low carbing for a while have found that we can follow 16:8 fasting or even the occasional 24 hour fast - but this is not something to be done in the early weeks.

So, here are the Rules. After 2 weeks 1 (or whoever takes over the next stint of the BIWI Replacement Programme Wink) the rules will be posted for Boot Camp Lite. Many of us who are still actively trying to lose weight tend to follow Boot Camp during the week (maybe with extra berries and nuts) and then allow a small amount of alcohol at the weekend)

  1. Eat three proper meals a day.
"You must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack). After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger. A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)"
  1. Avoid processed foods.
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins Daybreak bars.
  1. Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food.
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.
  1. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best
  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
"The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be: Your Weight----Litres 140lbs-----2.5 160lbs-----3.0 180lbs-----3.0 200lbs-----3.5 220lbs-----3.5 240lbs-----4.0 260lbs-----4.5 280lbs-----4.5 300lbs-----5.0 320lbs-----5.5 340lbs-----5.5 360lbs-----6.0 380lbs-----6.5 400lbs-----6.5 High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt."
  1. No alcohol.
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.
  1. No fruit.
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.
  1. No nuts/seeds.
  1. No sugar or artificial sweeteners. Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.
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headoutofthesand · 05/01/2018 20:07

I am pleased to see so many of you have recommended the vanilla powder as I specifically went to Waitrose this evening to get it and baulked at the cost. Each grain will be savoured! I also went to Lidl where they had a DK Paleo recipe book for £3.99. I only had time for a very quick flick but some of the dishes looked good.

I had a banana and an apple today and really savoured them knowing I won't be eating them again for a while. Am I allowed apples at any stage? I have always loved the clean taste of them.

What are people's menu plans for next week? Mine are:
Monday

  • breakfast - 2 x hard boiled eggs
  • lunch - pick & mix from the work canteen
  • supper - salmon salad with mayo
  • snacks tomatoes & mange tout (actually - are they allowed?)

Tuesday

  • breakfast - Fage yogurt
  • lunch - work canteen again
  • supper - steak with courgette, red onion, mushrooms & spinach
  • snacks - as above

I haven't got further than that yet!

headoutofthesand · 05/01/2018 20:43

Menu has now got a bit further:

Wednesday

  • breakfast - eggs
  • lunch - canteen
  • supper - sea bass & veggies
  • snacks - cheese

Thursday

  • breakfast - Greek yogurt
  • lunch - tuna & avocado salad
  • supper - duck
  • snacks - sprouts
Imstyledilemma · 05/01/2018 21:21

Slinking back with my tail between my legs Blush

I did brilliantly on the summer one (think it was the May one) and lost nearly a whole stone but had a few family problems in the latter part of the year and fell spectacularly off the wagon.
So here I am again.

where do I sign up?

prettybird · 05/01/2018 21:37

My menu will be roughly as follows:

Breakfast most days: Lidl Greek style yoghurt with some double cream and a generous pinch of cinnamon. Some days I might do scrambled (with butter & finished off with some cream) or boiled eggs - depends if dh or ds fancy some.

Lunch: coleslaw with cold meat or veg soup with all the ham stock I have

Dinners....
Duck breasts (panfried from cold and then roasted)
Kangaroo steaks (marinaded in herbs, garlic, lemon and olive oil)
Low carb lasagne (2 meals)
Frittata or courgette carbonara
Turkey steaks (flattened and then rubbed with olive oil and spices).
Sticky lemon roasted chicken thighs (recipe I described earlier in this thread)

Veg accompaniments will be brussel sprouts in butter, leeks in butter and/or cream, mange tout, cauliflower (either roasted or microwaved with butter) or celeriac "chips".

Next week I'm going to see about trying some of Tom Kerridge's Dopamine Diet recipes - but I hadn't got organised enough before I went shopping.

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abbey44 · 05/01/2018 21:43

prettybird - can I ask - is the coleslaw one you make yourself or one you buy from the supermarket ready-made?

LeapinLizards · 05/01/2018 21:54

I'm interested to know about prettybird's coleslaw too - I thought carrots were off limits?

Zxyzoey31 · 05/01/2018 21:56

I can recommend all of Tom Kerridge's Dopamine Diet mince based recipes. The roasting the mince to get more texture really works and is worth it. I just leave the sugar sweetener out the recipes (ie lamb ragu). I strain off the fat when the mince is baking then use it for frying the onions and add any left back instead of or as well as stock.
I think sriracha sauce is full of sugar so avoid and just use chilli.
Also I swapped cod for the chicken mince in the chicken mince curry recipe and it is much nicer.
We do hflc but are not really strict about carbs from veggies so I wouldn't know if the recipes are too high carb if onions and tomatoes are considered. I know you can swap in shallots. HTH

prettybird · 05/01/2018 21:58

I make it myself following the Boot Camp recipe (can't remember if it was in the Spreadsheet or on the Boot Camp recipe thread): lots of thinly sliced white cabbage, some red if I have it, a finely grated carrot, a couple of finely chopped spring onions, a generous gloop of olive oil, a splash of apple vinegar, generous seasoning of salt, some pepper, mix and leave for 15 minutes and then stir in a generous gloop of Lidl mayonnaise (sometimes I maker my own). Keeps well in the fridge.

Iirc, the carrot is finely grated so that one goes a long way! This make a big bowl.

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SayrraT · 05/01/2018 22:13

The BC coleslaw recipe is on the spreadsheet.

Cheeky question if beryl is about...I've seen two posts from you that have been deleted recently. What have you been saying?!

abbey44 · 05/01/2018 22:16

Thanks prettybird - I'm just doing my meal plan and shopping list for a Sunday delivery so I'm all prepared and ready for Monday. I bloody love coleslaw so there'll be a batch of that in the fridge.

I had the Boot Camp egg fried cauliflower rice with broccoli and courgettes for dinner tonight - for something so easy it was absolutely lovely.

Just one thing that's confusing me... The carb counts for vegetables on the Spreadsheet are very different to the carb counts on MFP - I need to have a pretty accurate measure for my meals to determine how much insulin to inject, so which should I use? (Just for an example, I had 130g of broccoli tonight - spreadsheet would come in at 1.5g and MFP says 9.1g...quite a difference!)

prettybird · 05/01/2018 22:30

I don't use MFP - but if it's American, it will include fibre, which we don't count. Would that explain the difference?

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prettybird · 05/01/2018 22:33

SayrraT was warning about someone who had been spamming the diet threads, pointing us to another website. That person's posts have been deleted.

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prettybird · 05/01/2018 22:34

Oops - missed out the Beryl Blush

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abbey44 · 05/01/2018 22:37

Not really. They give the fibre as 3.9g, which I think the American system take off the carb figure to give net carbs, but even that doesn't come close. Strange. I guess I'll just have to use a bit of guesswork and trial & error till I find what works. It's not uber-critical with low-carbing, to be honest, as my blood sugar is much more stable, so I think I'll manage to work it out with a bit of practice.

SayrraT · 05/01/2018 23:00

Ahh I was wondering what on earth beryl could have said Grin

abbey if it's very important for you then you'd be better off checking actual packaging for the items you use rather than either the spreadsheet or MFP. The spreadsheet details have come from either supermarket packaging or (can't remember will check in a sec). MFP is user entered, so Joe bloggs could go on and input broccoli as 98g carbs per 100g if they wanted.

SayrraT · 05/01/2018 23:09

According to Tesco broccoli is 1.8g carbs per 100g
Sainsbury's 3.1g
Asda 2.8g
Waitrose 1.8g
Morrisons 1.8g

So all different Confused

abbey44 · 05/01/2018 23:29

How odd. Maybe Sainsbury's are spiking theirs with a sneaky dab of sugar? Confused Maybe I should just go to Morrisons instead (we don't have a Waitrose anywhere near, unfortunately - I really want some of their vanilla powder as well...)

BlackMozart · 06/01/2018 00:07

prettybird can I ask how much Greek yoghurt you eat for breakfast? I’ve been wondering about breakfast alternatives but never think yoghurt will fill me up. I’ve seen a low carb coconut one and I like the idea of that Waitrose vanilla powder, but how much makes a decent breakfast?

prettybird · 06/01/2018 00:20

For me, two decent (dessert) spoonfuls of Greek yoghurt with a splash of cream is enough - but I've never been a big breakfast eater.

I've got enough energy to do the Shred or to cycle to my Pilates class Grin

In the early days of Boot Camp, I'd sometimes have two boiled eggs instead of the yoghurt or scrambled eggs made with a generous amount of butter and then finished off with some cream. Whereas nowadays I can often miss breakfast (especially at weekends when we don't have to sit down for breakfast before ds goes off to school) and not feel hungry.

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BerylStreep · 06/01/2018 08:54

Sayrra I know! It looks like I've been a complete goady fucker across lots of threads! Someone had spammed about 60 threads across all different types of weight loss chats trying to get people to sign up for some dodgy site. I reported it to MN, but as it was about 10.30pm at night wasn't sure if MN would be on a position to respond, so did my civic duty and posted that I had reported the posts as spam as I think it is particularly cynical to try to capitalise on people's good intentions for New Year to try to push dodgy diets.

I did have a strict order in which I posted my anti-spam messages though, by category:

Low carb (of course!)
Whole30
Intermittent Fasting
Slimming world
Low calorie

I might not have bothered with the Weight Watchers threads Grin

Now, not only do I look like I've been super rude because I have so many deleted posts, I've also got loads of random threads on the 'threads I'm on, Confused

Snowysnowysnow · 06/01/2018 09:02

Right so I've started today. Not terribly successfully in terms of the meal plan I did because discovered DH used up all the eggs yesterday. Brussels sprouts for breakfast it was :). Haven't managed lunch yet (not in the UK and it's 1pm here) because I mistimed the supermarket delivery so didn't have anything in before I had to go out. Will sort when I get back home.

Can I ask a question on cheese -and boot camp. Do we need to avoid entirely? When I've done LCHF before I've snacked on mozzarella (at 3.5g/100g) which seemed a pretty decent snack to me. Not sure what to replace it with if no cheese on bootcamp!

BerylStreep · 06/01/2018 09:12

Snowy I think cheese is ok to have but I would make a couple of observations:

  1. Once you get into this you will probably not need to snack as much as you maybe did before low carb, as blood sugar stabilises and the fat satiates the appetite. A lot of posters actually find that a 16:8 way of eating suits them (ie fasting for 16 hours and only eating during an 8 hour window)
  1. Dairy can stall some people, so see how you get on.

Personally I like a slice of ham and a slice of emmental rolled together, but I probably need to cut down on my processed meat consumption.

Rshard · 06/01/2018 10:30

abbey, the Waitrose vanilla powder is available through Ocado if that’s an option for you?

NellyFrestelli · 06/01/2018 10:52

2 days in 6lbs of bloat gone already. Chugging water and trying to be kind to myself. 24 lbs to go. Feeling good I'm back in the mindset.

Got lots of yummy green veggies in the fridge I'm excited to smother in butter this weekend Grin

mrsreynolds · 06/01/2018 10:55

Lamb chops...
Love em
Can I just grill them?
Or do I need to add fat?
Been shopping;
Eggs
Chicken
Lots of salad and veg
No salmon but I'll get some in the week
Last weekend of being a carby twat so I'm making crumble with the last of the apples and berries harvested in autumn

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