Week 6 - Low Carb Bootcamp - we start the second half

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Morning all

Here's the spreadsheet of fabulousness for you all

Many thanks to wombattoo and SayrraT for keeping the threads going while I was away.

Lots of people talking about how to deal with future events, especially Christmas, and this is something that's really important to think about. This is a tough time of year for low carbing. But it's also a tough time of year if you can't squeeze into your partywear - so you need to decide which is more important. Those roast potatoes or looking good

Good luck everyone

Well, last night's dinner didn't go as planned! Was going to be salmon baked with some veg, but I realised that I just wasn't going to be hungry enough to eat dinner before I went out at 7 to my band rehearsal. So instead, I had a couple of scrambled eggs when I got home instead.

I'll use the salmon for lunch today, so it won't be wasted. Hard to believe though, that I just didn't feel hungry enough for dinner!

I'm sure there is a thing where as long as you continue to eat HFLC you won't lose anymore once you reach an ideal weight for your body.

This sounds gloriously vague, SayrraT.

Thiswill I don't know what happens if you continue to low carb after goal weight, but I'm a fan of the Richard Feynman approach.

He was a brilliant physicist who couldn't simply accept all the physics he was told about, he had to try it for himself to see what happened. Wrote a thoroughly entertaining book called Surely You're Joking, Mr Feynman!, which details the humorous results of his curiosity.

Do you see where I'm going with this? If I were you I'd just keep doing LCHF to see what happens and report back.

@ClearEyesFullHearts yes indeed! Thank you

Thiswill on the Atkins diet they recommend achieving weight maintenance by increasing your carb intake by 5g per day until your weight stabilises. Obviously too much faff for Bootcamp but you will need to find a balance point between increasing your carb intake and not gaining weight. I suggest setting an ideal weight range rather than a target weight in order to account for natural fluctuation in weight over time, according to the TOTM, etc. So if your goal weight was 9st 7lb then you might set an ideal weight range of 9st 3lb to 9st 11lb. If your weight drops below 9st3lb (not very likely if you aren't deliberately keeping carbs very low) then you need to increase your carb or calorie intake. If your weight reaches 9st 11lb then go back to Bootcamp or Bootcamp Light rules until you reach your goal weight again. This guards against weight regain which often happens by your weight creeping up gradually without you noticing until you suddenly realise you've gained a stone.

Oh and you say you prefer veg now but have you tried a grape since your tastebuds adjusted to eating low carb? I sometimes sneak one when I'm cutting them up for DS4 and they taste like sweeties to me now!

Excuse me cleareyes I know exactly what I'm talking about

Congratulations on reaching you goal thiswill

I weighed 12.2 this morning AGAIN. Same as last Thursday. It goes up to 12.4 EVERY MONDAY MORNING

I am going to do my level best to stay off the wine this weekend as I can't think of why its happening otherwise.

NSV - my tummy rolls are much, much smaller. I can't grab quite as much in a handful as I could before

B: leftover bolognaise with an egg and cheese and a tablespoon of olive oil - weird but good
L: fancy tuna mayo salad today and a mug of bovril for something warm and comforting
D: chicken curry made with double cream. Rice for the fam and cauli rice for me

Ave - I've just looked at my daily fluctuations and once I managed to "put on" 4.5lbs in one 24h period! I certainly hadn't eaten an extra 31,500 cals in that time.

Thanks for the congrats re the gym. I went again this morning and did W1R2. I know I'm supposed to leave a day in between but there are only three days I can go at 9 so that's what I'm going to do. If DP goes tomorrow after work I'll jump on the cross-trainer then for a wee while, but don't worry, I won't be overdoing it.

I was relieved to figure out, though, that the treadmill's set up in mph rather than kph as I was thinking that the walk at 3.8 kph seemed rather brisk, considering I walk at nearly 4 mph on the road.

Be very happy to share more about my mindfulness practice yolo but is it ok to post here or you think we need a separate thread for it? I’m happy to post here if people have questions but don’t want to take up too much space.

I think whoknows you do raise something interesting. I do generally much prefer this way of eating and then from time to time, like this morning, just feel very weary about trying to cook myself some
breakfast, again, and long for a piece of toast! I got over it though because I’ve got 4 stone to go and now is not the time to be straying off the path. I’m sure when I do eventually get much closer I’ll find bread much harder to resist.

There are methods that do allow some more carbs (e.g. Montignac, famous French one where I think he allows some wholmeal bread and wine but it’s much more complicated overall as I recall) but there’s always a restriction somewhere else in the woe.

I do sometimes just eat a chicken breast for breakfast with a few cherry tomatoes (and dip in a bit of mayo).

Thread plopping quickly to say I am still here but I smashed my phone at the weekend and can'get get easy online access until I can afford a new one.

A small gain for me last week but I was expecting it, koko and hope to be back on the chat properly when I have a phone again.

sayrra I only have an 2 oven Aga, and I love it!! Had it for 30 years too. Mostly v versatile and only things like baked cheesecake are difficult because you can’t reduce them temperature, or cakes that need a long oven time because unless you have the Aga Cake Bake or whatever it’s called, they tend to burn around the edges. But really these are two things I shouldn’t be cooking very often after all!

I've taken my monthly measurements.

I've only been doing it since the middle of August (when I was 13stone 10lb iirc will need to go back and check ). I hesitate to think what the measurements would have been when I started Boot Camp in May at 14 stone 13lb

According to the scales this morning I was 12 stone 8lb. may make my Lowvember goal yet

16/10
Waist 35.5"/90cm; -1" in a month/-3.5" overall
Under bust 34.5"/87cm; 1" in a month/-2.5" overall
Over bust 41"/104cm: -1.5" in a month/-1" overall
Upper arm 12.5"/32cm; -0.5" in a month/-0.5"overall
Hips 44"/112cm; -1" in a month/-1.5" overall
Thigh 25"/63.5cm; -1" in a month/-0.5" overall
Neck 14.5"/37cm; -0.5" in a month/overall (didn't take this measurement in August; only started in September)

Hello lovely bootcampers. Another woosh today - so pleased! I'm tracking my weight on a BMI tracker called atkBMI that must be US based, because they are saying anything uber 26 is a normal BMI - not 25. I'm at 26.5 and slightly ridiculously invested in being in the " green " section of the app. Hopeful I've got it wrong and it's not in fact 25 that's the upper limit of BMI in the UK?

That's really good inch loss prettybird.

I have Aga envy.

Mimosa i use AktiBMI too. I love it because it's so simple!

@AveAtqueVale re 2lb not fat but water l put 6lb on between friday and midmorning Monday. Lost 4lb of that water weight since then.
@Wh0KnowsWhereTheTimeG0es
Don't use any straight oil only mayo on salads. Butter streaky bacon and cheese supply the most of the fats.
Except Cacau and coconut oil in coffee and lip balm. Fresh Flax crackers and butter/cheese .
Or on salad finely grated chedder will flavour with out grease.

Hey you guys talk me down! I had a blood test, I've low calcium, I have to go back for more tests. Arrrgh! Tell me it's not the low carbing. Please. Then again, if it's not that, what is it?

I've been doing this for almost a year now. I eat kale, broccoli, spinach, cheese, eggs, butter, cream, creme fraiche, more cheese, cabbage, folates of all kinds, arrrgh! So that's calcium, vit d and magnesium covered. What's going on?

It's ok I know you can't tell me. Better out than in though eh.

Kleptronic That sounds like you're gettting plenty of healthy calcium rich foods in your diet..... What milk/milk alternatives do you drink? There are some brands that are fortified in calcium that you could tihnk of switching to, or maybe you could just take a calcium tablet supplement?
It would be a shame to stop low-carbing if youre getting on really well with it in every other way than calcium

Thanks Gail I'm more perplexed as to why if anything. I don't drink a milk substitute but I think the cheese/creme fraiche mountain makes up for that. Honestly my food bill is massive with all the salmon, mackerel, fancy cheeses, cavolo nero, asparagus etc. Etc etc. I've been shoving in my face. I can honestly say this is the best and most nutritious eating I've consistently done in my whole life. I am aghast!

I'll try a supplement. But I don't understand why I need one!

Iirc, sometimes calcium needs other vitamins to help be absorbed. I think that's why the Vitacare (?) calcium supplements come with vitamins A and D. (In the same way that Iron absorption is helped if taken/eaten in combination with Vitamin C).

Also, we're often low on Vitamin D due to being more northerly and necessarily outside during daylight hours as much as we should, so that could be affecting your calcium absorption.

Can't remember how old you are - but as we get older, that can also be a factor.

I'm going to join the Woe Is Me bench. My TMJ has completely seized up. It's agony and I can only open my mouth about half an inch. The last time this happened I lived for a week on banana milkshakes :(.

Oh no, cherries! You will have to drink cream through a straw! And maybe some low carb soup...

Hi all,

B- coffee- lots of
L- Fried savoy cabbage with garlic and chili
S- Out again so will probably be fish and veg (again)

Starting to feel that I can do this, also keeping a food diary I'm quite shocked at how often I eat out ( often for work), but it's at least 4-5 evenings a week. It's actually ok to do it low carb here (Paris) because most restaurants have low carb options. But has made me think about how much I used to eat in the evenings (bread basket, starter + main + the wine)

Have decided that if I hit 11 stone 4 in time for Christmas I will be very happy indeed. That means 7 pounds to loose in 6 weeks. Going to do this!

Bon courage à toutes!

Apologies for being a whinge-bag, I haven't really got anyone to talk to who understands this IRL.

I think I am guilty of massively underestimating how hard this WOE would be, I assumed it would be simple, no weighing. no counting, but of course that's unrealistic, it's a massive change and trying to fit it round the rest of the family is bound to be a challenge. I have lost 4lb in 5 weeks which I'm really pleased about (I'm very much of the 1lb a week loss is fast enough POV).

I would like to try cooking more new HFLC meals but most evening I only have about half an hour for cooking and the DCs are pretty resistant to new foods (one is extremely resistant to veg, the other to spicy foods). I am also finding a lot of meals just too rich without the bland carb part, and am really missing the contrasting textures of carbs too, a piece of cheese on it's own is nothing compared to the deliciousness of having it on a crunchy cracker. Same with the meal Very described, I could eat salmon and veg in tomato sauce but would find a whole plate of it way too rich, I would usually have rice with it to offset the intensity.

There definitely is also that thing of, as you say BlackMozart, you just want something quick, hot and tasty, so a jacket potato, or something on toast would have been the first port of call every time, now that's gone and anything else seems a lot more effort. I'm not keeping a record of what I eat (I found out doing MFP that it just makes me obsess about food even more) but I have started logging water now and have realised that my estimates of what I was drinking were probably quite a long way out, so have started on the full 3L this week.

Anyway, I'd like to keep with it, it is uplifting reading all your positive stories even when I am feeling thoroughly out of sorts about it all, I still think it's better for me personally than SW or calorie counting etc.

Wh0 I use cauliflower rice/corgetti for the bland-sauce-soaker-upper coefficient and half a Lidl protein roll for When I Really Must Have Bread. Crispy kale is good for a texture change too.