Between bootcamps support thread Summer17

[ilovecherries]

Previous thread here : www.mumsnet.com/Talk/low_carb_bootcamp/2993416-Pre-summer-Bootcamp-our-last-weigh-in

C4 a friend of mine got to 100 pairs of shoes then had to start a "one in, one out" policy.

Last night's dinner was okay but not worth going overboard on the carbs. DH misses bread a lot more than me so that's why he made the naan bread. Of course he goes to the gym five times a week so it's not such a big deal for him if he indulges in carbs once in a while. Oh well, back on it today with bacon and scrambled eggs for breakfast and roast chicken for dinner.

But why are you eating it, StuntNun? Is he pinning you down and making you?!

I do similar veryflummoxed- although in my case it's as soon as I get to 15 and a half stone! There is some research on set point weight that is quite interesting. Basically your body and brain is quite happy at your higher weight. No famine. It can just coast along. Then you change your eating habits and lose weight. Body and brain go 'hang on a minute! - we are fine as we are!' and very cleverly trick you into eating more or eating the wrong stuff and hey presto back up with weight goes! I would think and hope it would be less on LCHF as your body is being well fuelled but I suppose that craving for an intense energy boost from sugar or carbs doesn't go away completely.

Maybe knowing that your body is trying to trick you can help defeat the craving?

I couldn't face anything egg or avocado based for breakfast today - both seem to make my queasiness worse.

So had ff Greek yog with some raspberries and flaxseed. Not exactly the strict boot camp breakfast I was aiming for but it was delicious! I love the sharpness of the berries - that's something I really miss with not eating fruit.

Grimbles attached is my punch in the gut. 211 was my pre holiday woosh. All back on again very soon though this was partly water retention due to the heatwave when we arrived. Now at 217 so my goal for SSS is to get back down to 211. Medium term goal is to see the 199s by Christmas.

C4 nearly 100 pairs!! where do you keep them all?!

Unmumsnetty hugs for everyone that needs them.

Stunt does he make you eat the naan bread? Why couldn't you just have the butter chicken without it?

I've managed to lose 3lbs this week, yay, go me!

Lisboa it sounds like you've got the dreaded carb flu. I get it too and it's horrible - you feel sick and headachey - I try to take more salt and drinks made from oxo cubes as well as trying to up my magnesium levels. This is what I found in an earlier boot camp thread- I think BIWI wrote it. Cheers BIWi

In the first few days of low carbing, especially if you've been eating a high carb diet for a long time, you may start to feel pretty rubbish

This is called carb flu - essentially you're withdrawing from sugar, which is a highly addictive substance. Your body treats carbs in the same way as it does sugar, and you may find it quite hard going to lose the sugar from your diet.

However, it generally passes quickly and once you're through it - if you suffer; not everyone does - you'll find that you feel great and full of energy. If you do suffer, up your salt intake (as we drink a lot of water, it's important that we keep our sodium intake higher) and also your fat. Take some paracetamol if you feel headachey, and just remind yourself that it's a good thing!

Very I know what you mean about self sabotage- why do you think you do it? For me, it's that I can't believe I can do it - lose weight and be slim, or that I somehow don't deserve to be slim or that by being slim I might become a different person. Or that I won't know how to cope with being slim, good looking sexy etc. We've held onto our excess weight for so long it's no wonder that our head takes a while to catch up with with our body and the idea of becoming a slim person

Oldbooks I'm sorry you've had such an awful time Don't beat yourself up about it, just see it as a learning experience. After my weekend away a few weeks ago with the in laws who virtually tried to force feed me and thought I was heading for an eating disorder me I vowed never to go back there - I know that's not realistic but I felt so exhausted by them and their constant commenting about my food choices and watching me all the time. I'm not surprised you found it easier to give into them after a while as it's really hard to keep going in the face of such pressure. Just do what you're doing -and KOKO

I just realised I've been following this for just over 2 weeks. It feels like I've been doing it forever!

B: Greek yogurt
L: 1/2 a steamed broccoli with scrambled eggs and mushrooms. Butter and cheese.
D: will be roast chicken with either broccoli or salad.

1/2 way to water goal. Weight has stalled now but I feel so good and fit my clothes so well I don't even care. So happy I joined you guys!

Yesterday was pretty good, foodwise.
Lunch - olives and cheese, little bit of chicken.
Dinner - chili con carne, celeriac chips and fried kale.
Snack - bulletproof hot choc. Not as nice as coffee...

Today I tried to make coconut flour pancakes. They were a bit crap... Better cold.

Brunch - coconut pancakes.
Dinner - will be roast pork belly with whatever veg I can bothered to throw together. Not feeling the energy for a big roast now. Blaming painkillers and totm.

C4 you look lovely.

The scales are moving for me, although I'm conscious the first 2 weeks are the easiest. No effect on my clothes yet unfortunately. I put on a pair of pre pregnancy size 16 cos trousers in yesterday, that zip up the side and went into town. I didn't realise but as soon as I started walking the zip would come down, exposing loads of hip skin and granny pants

Another work KIT day tomorrow, hope there will be something I can eat.

I have a holiday emergency.

While I know I've put on a wee bit recently (carby twat, birthday, holidays etc). Why do none of my holiday cloths fit? I am a fat bastard and have 2 pairs of shorts and 2 frocks I'll have to alternate.

So at the end I'll be a fat smelly carby twat. But with a good tan.

Thanks Cider, that's interesting
nomoreoatcakes. I agree that I don't really think I can do it so what's the point? Except on this woe there are so many other benefits, fab filling food, improved physical health, better sleep. I think though that I am very gradually getting some understanding of my relationship with food but I've a long way to go.

I need to be beaten with a big stick too! Someone give me a whack!

I'm back on it tomorrow, promise! Son's bday, holiday, etc, means I haven't been as focussed as I could've been.

Moist, some flowers to mask the smell . Have a lovely holiday.

After all this time I've had my first fathead pizza. Gorgeous. 11 year old ds said it was the best pizza he'd ever had.

Oldbooks I have a built in shoe wardrobe and a small stack on the landing and some in the bottom of my wardrobe and a shelf in another wardrobe..

Emotional blackmail BIWI and Hippa. Better to eat the naan than hurt his feelings. Saturday nights are our date night where we take it in turns to cook a meal for just us after the kids are in bed.

I don't see how saying you'll skip the naan when he knows you're lc would hurt his feelings? Doesn't it hurt your feelings that he can't respect your dietary wishes?
Also cos that sounds hard work.

I just made the most amazing roast chicken ever! lowcarbhighfatrecipes.com/how-to-roast-a-juicy-chicken-with-crispy-skin/

Absolutely amazing.

I'm sorry Stunt, but that really doesn't work, does it? Your job is advising people about low carbing. Unless your DH is particularly dense, he does know by now that bread isn't allowed.

And I still don't get why you would then eat it!

Hair loss :(. I have lost a huge amount of hair in the last month. Even my very loyal DH agrees, as does my hairdresser and the practice nurse. I had a whole lot of blood tests last week because of it, but I appear to be disgustingly healthy. So a google suggests this often happens 3-6 months into a low carb diet. Which given I've had every other bloody side effect (have I mentioned my keto itch?!?!) is par for the course. What I don't understand is how cutting out all the crap from your diet, eating a mass of green veg twice a day, drinking lots, eating good quality proteins and fats to your diet, taking a multi vit every day etc etc can have such a detrimental effect. Or is it the actual weight loss that stresses the body, rather than keto per se - i.e. any weight loss method (2.5 stone since 22 May) would have caused this? I am so upset (and self conscious). I'm post menopausal but I've never had age related hair loss in the past, and it has def conicided with weight loss.

Sorry to hear that, Ilovecherries.

Why don't you try upping your carbs a little bit? See if that makes a difference? I wonder if you're going too low?

Well, I started to monitor them because of the itch, which comes back if I go below about 25 gms, so I'm not horribly low - I stick to about 30 by adding in grated carrots, a tomato, some berries most days. And I promise I'm not calorie restricting.

And I eat dairy every day, and have 3-4 Brazil nuts every day.

Relax a bit. Increase the carbs. Honestly!

Sorry cherries that sounds like an understandable worry.
@BIWI what type of carbs would you recommend increasing in this instance? Or just any?