Pre-summer Bootcamp - our last weigh-in!

[BIWI]

Morning all. Very excited to hear the final scores!

Here's the Spreadsheet for its last outing this Bootcamp

We'll keep this chat thread going, and when it finishes, we'll start a new one so that we can keep the support going until next Bootcamp.

Very they have moved about five minutes roll away and baby Alfie is due in four weeks time so yes they won't be far away. It's odd just me and DH rattling around in our house and the poor rabbit is missing the cat.

I have weighed myself today and I'm 10st7lbs so I have four weeks to try and lose 8lbs and be 9st something for nieces wedding. It would be such a boost because we were in Denmark last Sep for the wedding of our nephew and I weighed 12s4lbs.

This is more a general weight loss question that a specifically low carb one, I guess. I'm now approaching territory with my weight that I can barely remember from before. Everyone is starting to comment. Although I am barely half way there yet, I do feel a lot better without that two stone I used to drag around. But....

I feel quite sad and tearful. I feel I don't know myself. I'm sad that I ever got so fat, but conversely I also feel odd and exposed without it.

My daughter is here for the last few weeks of her uni vacation now her job has finished, and she's helping me clear out. Masses of clothes that are brand new or barely worn. My wardrobe is empty except for a few emergency clothes I bought after my jeans fell down on the beach. I feel guilty about the wasted money, Im THIS close to hoarding them in case I get fat again. At the same time, I feel I should at least try to sell them, but actually I don't even want to engage with them and would love to take the lot to the hospice shop.

I still expect to be a 22, so I'm compromising to an 18, but I can see they are probably too big, but buying smaller feels frightening, because at the back of my mind is a thought that next week (if not tomorrow!) I could need a 22 again.

I'm all mixed up and have been snivelling all morning. It's. It not about food, that bit is fine, it's what is going on inside my head :(

Ilovecherries - I have a pair of skinny black jeans from Tu in size 16 Long - never worn because I never took them back after managing to find a regular length pair My "regular length" Size 16s are now getting quite loose on me - especially round the waist

I also have a pair of white palazzo style trousers in Size 18 from Wallis - worn twice (1st time at the wedding it went to in May, second time at a garden party in June - ever so slightly stained from wearing flat shoes/wet grass at the garden party).

Would you like them for the cost of postage? You've said you're a couple of inches taller than me, so the length should be ok.

JiminnyCricket So how's Dad?
has Mum come round to at least saying "erm maybe it's not just Cal in Cal out?"
Is mil still trying to stuff you full of SW or cake?
Has your trousers fallen down lately or did you buy new?
How's the power lifting going?
Are you off the tablets or still on them?
Where the latest slow cooker recipe and how come no-one has a pressure cooker recipe?

You know you do have a bit of a responsibility to check in once in a while- it not like your not on the internet all day already...

Hope your having fun and if you do need to chat C4 is a great listener and BIWI has a stick if you feel you need a professional motivation pick-you up. Me ...
just a nosey oneofthem bastards as biwi said.

C4pinkwheels
2lbs a week -- that's an awful lot of steps and coffee making.

BUT YOU CAN DO IT.

Plan, plan, plan.... the food and drink the water.

You can do a 3 minute Hiit of weight free arm exercises.
Saw a Dr Mercola video talking about getting out I'm assuming you'll be able to do the 3 arm movements, which I tried and surprising doing them over and over in sets of 3 is tiring, without any weights.
I don't do the squats hurts the knees, but it does increase body heat and arm strength/ muscle usage. Hope it helps.

Take care.

nearly forgot why I popped on, went for the High blood pressure study - and got excluded because I'm too healthy.

cut was minimum of 140/80 and I was 139/79 139/80 137/75. Maximum of 15 miles/ 4-5,000 calories burnt due to exercise.. my 60 miles a week commuting and the 100+ on Saturday's means I'm a not a good test case.

But still at risk and will need to get the pressure down a bit more.

StuntNun
That's brilliant, I just did 13 hours and slept for 5 of those but wasn't hungry.

When you do eat what do you have?
A normal meal or a massive pile of all the stuff you would spread out during the day?
I've been known to eat 2 of these after a normal day. So wondering if when you eat do you feel empty and need to fill up

( that is a normal size dinner plate and is mince, butter and veg)

Ask me tomorrow Grah! I'm usually a big eater, e.g. breakfast would be four scrambled eggs and strawberries with yogurt. When I fast 16:8 I find my appetite is smaller so even if I end up having three meals it's still less than I would have on a non-fasting day. I've never tried a 24-hour fast before but I expect to have a normal (for me) dinner tonight and eat three meals tomorrow then get back to my normal 8-hour eating window on Thursday. It's 23 hours now and I'm getting hungry but not starving hungry. All my family "know" that I have to be fed regularly or I get irritable so it's astounding how even-tempered I feel. So far anyway!

Did anyone see "Nadiya's British Food Adventure" last night?

She made "strawberry jam" with puréed strawberries and ........ basil seeds The basil seeds made the strawberry "jam" set after 30 minutes in the fridge - no sugar or boiling required

I thought of Boot Camp Lite straight away . Nadiya was making it to seve with Yorkshire puddings as a dessert. I thought it might be nice with Oopsie rolls.

But I missed the but where she suggested where to buy basil seeds

Quick question before night shift number 3.

Shocking calf cramps? Magnesium? Supplement or food? Bouillon?

Not sure about basil seeds but just found this; www.ruled.me/strawberry-chia-seed-jam/

MOIST I take magnesium pills and I've got some magnesium spray from Holland and Barrett which I put on my legs before I go to bed and rub in.

I've just had dinner after my 24-hour fast and if anything I was less hungry than usual! Very surprising.

Try Bouiliion MOIST or a mug of oxo. It's more instant than magnesium

Weigh in tomorrow after 14 days All Inclusive scrap that, I need more than luck

Wine has been taken as after 4 loads washing, picking up the cat, cooking dinner (x 3 options as couldn't be bothered with arguments), the tumble drier has broken 😮. I'm thinking marrying an engineer was a good move right now

cherries id say that's not an uncommon feeling at all - I lost 4 stone 6 years ago and I still have some clothes in my wardrobe 'just in case'. I did put 3 back on and 2 are now off again but I'm sure I won't be ditching some items that have travelled the journey up and down with me.

Nice to see you jiminy and it's lovely to hear you so positive and in the groove with the whole woe - or should that be way of life???

c4 fingers crossed over the next couple of weeks - you'll look amazing regardless as your strength of character and humor shines through

stuntnun glad to hear the fast has gone well - there is definitely a 'reset' which as you say I think is harder to contemplate than to actually do in some ways.

Amazing results grah and the rest will follow I'm sure.

Evening all. Great to hear from you jim. I feel the same way as you though I'm not as often in the gym as you. How is the transform programme going? Grah asked you loads of questions we would all love to catch up with you on.

c4 as always you are an inspiration. Fabulous about your competitive sport of coffee making. I am an elite athlete in that . Its a fantastic sign of your on going recovery and we are all rooting for you improving every day. Sorry to hear you have an empty nest. Won't be for long I'm sure. Enjoy the peace and quiet while it lasts!

grah great news about the BP study. Too healthy. Hah! You really do do an awful lot of cycling. Thats good for your heart if not your knees .

ilove i think there is a massive emotional aspect of this woe, of the transition from obese to healthy weight, where we learn about why we overeat, regret the past bingeing, feel loss of our old selves and the wasted time we spent being so fat, and it's all part of the rollercoaster of the huge life change we are going through. Clothes have meaning and memories attached. Good to hear you are letting yours go. Don't keep any 'fat clothes' because you will NEVER be that big again. You just won't let it happen. You are too good for that, too enlightened now, and you care about yourself. So it will never happen. Let someone else benefit from them.

I saw a very large obese woman on my commute today. I.e. fatter than me. She waddled because she had too much physical bulk to be able to walk without using her arms and shoulders to pull her body forwards and give momentum to her leg movements. I felt so so sorry for her. I wanted to stop her and ask why she was self harming by eating the wrong food, and I wanted to 'save' her by telling her about lchf. It is London and I did no such thing or I would be considered insane (we don't even have eye contact on the tube let alone conversation, and worse still lchf conversion preaching!) Anyway, this was almost me a few months ago. I wasn't too far away from being morbidly obese. I couldn't climb stairs without getting chest pains. I was disabled with numerous joint problems and in constant pain.

Now I've lost 13kgs on this bc. I'm still obese but I am less obese than I was. Some work trousers I couldn't wear as they wouldn't do up are now hanging off me. I am in less pain and I feel like I'm nearly living a normal life. I exercise and enjoy it. My life is literally transforming along with my body.
I love it.

Newbies, stick with us and you will reap the rewards!

Keep the NSVs coming. We love em!

MOIST ive had a lot of leg cramps lately. I find its when i forget to take my multivitamin. There is something in there that helps! Maybe if you take a general multivit you won't need to worry about what vitamin helps the cramps. Or any other deficiency for that matter. I have a kitchen sink approach to food supplementation, clearly.

stunt well done on the fast. Aren't you worried about your metabolism slowing down in a biological 'starvation' response?

I don't check in much but skip read posts every day. It helps keep me going. Every bit of info and personal history or crises helps. Keep 'em coming, folks.

I haven't weighed as we have no scales on holiday. Will weigh in a week and the goal was/is to STS or lose (ambitious).

Husband stuff very up and down (but still committed and working on it), which doesn't help with motivation or any self-esteem issues I might have . It's truly complicated.

Thanks to the many of you who posted lovely responses to my distress about the fat photos he sent. He did similar today and we discussed it and I think I need to lighten up (pun intended).

Mostly I want to tell ilovecherries that most of us have probably felt as you dohow in the world did we do this to ourselves? My 'why' is easyI was sexually molested by two separate people in my teens/tweens, so I know why I 'don my protective armour.'

I don't know your 'why' but when you discover it you will start addressing it and the fat will fall faster.

Namaste, bitches.

cleareyes
I know my whys too. I'm working on letting go of the pain. One major pain has gone that being my H and i feel all the better for it. Im finding 'me' now.

@ClearEyesFullHearts I'm sorry you're having a tough time, but it does sound like you and your DH are talking which can only be a good thing. And I hope that your holiday is going well

@ilovecherries and I'm sorry that you're feeling so down. I think what you're experiencing isn't unusual, sadly. Whilst I'm sure you feel that you 'should' be delighted about your weight loss, it's not as simple as that. One of the things I've learnt from every Bootcamp is that losing weight (and weight gain) is often nothing to do with food and diet, but all to do with emotion and how we feel about ourselves.

You've said it yourself - your weight is some kind of shield between you and the outside world. And now 'you' are beginning to emerge, that's scary!

As 'you' emerge more and more, I think it's about being brave - after all, weight loss is a good thing, and can only be beneficial for your health, so that should be embraced - and also trying to work out why you feel this way.

Why do you have this urge to remain 'buried' (as it were!) - what is it that you're trying to hide yourself from?

What does being a thin person represent to you? (I suspect the answer to this is probably quite complicated but it's worth spending some time thinking about)

I also think that for many of us who are wives and mothers, it can become a habit to think of ourselves after we've thought about other people - but now you're focusing only on you. And sometimes this can be a bit disconcerting; it's almost like we forget who we are!

Anyway, enough of the armchair psychology . Suffice to say that it's not unusual at all for people to feel this way, and no matter how confusing or difficult it might be, if you want to talk to us here - that's what we're here for. We may not have the answers for you, but we can be here to help you work things out for yourself.

Well I fell off the wagon over the weekend, a piece of cake, some bread and potatoes. I'm back on it again and my focus this week is improving my water intake.
Breakfast - greek yogurt with some double cream and 3 brazil nuts
Lunch - lamb kofta with salad and tzatziki
Dinner - cauliflower and broccoli cheese
AND LOTS OF WATER

YoLo according to Dr Jason Fung's book The Obesity Codee* then reducing your calorie intake causes your metabolism to slow down, often permanently such that people who have been obese have to eat fewer calories than someone of the same weight that has never been overweight. In contrast metabolism slightly increases during long fasts (24 hours or more). It was previously just assumed that since metabolism slows when calories are reduced then fasting would reduce it further but this turns out not to be the case.

This is one reason why low carb diets are so effective. While your overall calorie intake drops, the difference is made up from your body fat (since insulin levels are low and insulin prevents body fat release). So even while you're losing weight on this WOE you're still getting enough calories, if that makes sense. Whereas with a high carb reduced calorie approach you can't easily access your fat stores (because insulin levels are high) so your metabolism slows to compensate for the lower amount of calories coming in. You also move around less and become more hungry. That's why cutting calories isn't always effective for weight loss in the long term.

Fasting can be a useful addition to a low carb lifestyle, if anyone wants to know more then please ask. There are loss of different forms of fasting and ways to incorporate it. I was idly thinking about starting an add-on at the end of Bootcamp for people to try out intermittent fasting. I know quite a few people had success with intermittent fasting on this Bootcamp. Do you think that would be beneficial BIWI?

Apologies for the massive bold fail!