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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Week 2 - Pre-summer low carb bootcamp

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SayrraT · 29/05/2017 06:53

I don't think that BIWI has managed to post a new thread so I'll do this one.

I don't have the wise words of BIWI so I'll just say that by now you should be more in the swing of lcing so just keep it up and remember, only 1 week until bclite.

Hopefully you all have a successful weigh-in but if not, don't be disheartened. Post for some help and we will do our best.

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WaaWaaWaaa · 31/05/2017 08:29

Red Beanie - I think the idea is that you can snack (low carb) but you shouldn't feel that you NEED to after a while... please anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure it might help with the sweet tooth too but having read the thread I know that some people put vanilla extract/powder in their FF Yog/cream. Might that hit the spot?

Calaboosh · 31/05/2017 08:34

Late to the party but please can I join? Have LC bootcamped before with great success and need some moral support!

Veryflummoxed · 31/05/2017 08:37

RedBeanie I followed your link and read your post. I was certain when I started bootcamp the first time that it was going to be way to hard and there was so much I'd miss. Actually I found it surprisingly easy and best of all no weighing, no counting. Some do but it's not necessary and I never do, so liberating.

I suggest going to the tabs on the spreadsheet and printing out things like allowed foods, vegetables, having them where you can easily refer to them till you get used to it

Lots of traffic on here for answering questions. None too silly.

First two weeks, no fruit at all. As BIWI says this is to get us used to not having sweet stuff. The fat in the diet, plus full fat natural yogurt and double cream (not single) is allowed and is very satisfying and replaces sweet stuff. Cravings disappear very quickly on this diet. After two weeks you can have some berries and nuts and dark choc if you want.

Jump right in, what have you got to lose but weight?

HemanOrSheRa · 31/05/2017 08:38

RedBeanie give it a go! If you have a sweet tooth it will be tough for a few days but once you get into the swing of it you'll be fine. Something like FF greek yogurt with a splash of double cream, maybe with a touch of vanilla as Waa* suggests, will taste sweet to you.

MOIST · 31/05/2017 08:42

Morning all.
Nights done for another 3 weeks so will get a more rational picture of what I'm doing here. Everything gets a bit weird and blurry when I'm sleep deprived.
Anyway. Sleep now then peruse the recipes and go shopping to stock up on nice stuff.
I'm seriously enjoying cream in my coffee now. I am in danger of ditching food and just drinking double cream. But then I'd get scurvy.

YoLoZammo · 31/05/2017 08:53

I have a few more Q's please:

Can anyone recommend brekkie on the go? I don't have time to eat before I leave for work, so have so far been taking a creamy coffee for the road and a small pot of Greek yog/cream for when I get to work. On a weekend I can cook eggs. I'm planning to make some egg muffins to grab and go. Any other ideas for some variety?

I'm not sure whether sweeteners are allowed? I'm used to having them in tea and coffee, but with the attempt at retraining my taste buds I have reduced from two to one. Am I even supposed to have any? They are obv not sugar and no carbs. Not sure of the rules. I use sweetex or hermesetas, can't bear the stevia ones.

And thirdly, what does NSV stand for?!

AdalindSchade · 31/05/2017 09:00

No sweeteners in the first 2 weeks I think to break the sweetness habit. Also they may do something to your insulin

FinallyHere · 31/05/2017 09:02

'Morning all, a lovely day off for me today, have a group walk starting at 10am but meanwhile am enjoying MN and bootcamp at leisure.

RedBeanie welcome, come and join us the water here is lovely.... I recognise your concerns about having a sweet tooth. Getting rid of my sweet tooth has for me, been an unexpected, but very welcome bonus of doing LCHF. I read your link, where you were wondering whether you could low-carb part time. Everyone is different, but I know that for me, eating sweet stuff sets off a rollercoaster response which makes me crave more and more sweet stuff.

Not surprisingly, the first couple of days on bootcamp, doing LCHF, all I could think of was my next 'fix' of sugar. I followed the rules to the letter, eating as much as i wanted of meat, eggs, leafy green veg and longed for sweets and chocolate. Suddenly, a few days in, the clouds parted and I was through it. I can honestly say that I no longer have a sweet tooth. I enjoy eating real, unprocessed food and am satisfied with much less of it that formerly. I am very grateful to have stepped off the rollercoaster and just eat, well, food with no guilt and drama.

have found these bootcamp threads really brilliant and am very glad i found these lovely people. Hope you find what works for you. I

MyShinyThing · 31/05/2017 09:03

I can't really suggests breakfasts Yolo as I generally don't eat it avoids big stick!

NSV is a Non Scales Victory, so something like being able to do up a smaller pair of trousers or avoiding the cakes at work.

Sweetners definitely aren't allowed, they keep the sweet cravings going & also I believe they still cause an insulin spike which you're trying to avoid. Someone more knowledgable than me will be able to link to the research.

Everyone seems to be doing brilliantly, welcome to all the newcomers as well. Jump right in it's great!

Nosocksevermatchup · 31/05/2017 09:07

I was just about to ask what nsv meant too!

Everyone seems to be doing so well. It's really inspiring,

Im not seeing much change on the scales at the moment, although I can feel I've lost weight because clothes feel less tight , so I think I need to measure myself instead.

Which full fat Greek yogurt is everyone buying? The ones I've looked at seem to be quite high in carbs.

MyShinyThing · 31/05/2017 09:07

I know that we're allowed to eat as much fat as we like but is it really not possible to overdo it?

I know the theory is that you cannot physically eat too much as it would make you feel ill but I really think I might have been overdoing the olive oil! I think I could literally drink it from the bottle if it were socially acceptable Blush.

How much do people generally use if they're dressing a salad? I tend to glug it on from the bottle and then there'll be a delicious pool on the plate to drink at the end. That's too much isn't it?

MyShinyThing · 31/05/2017 09:10

I buy the Asda extra special one Nosocks it's cheaper than the Fage and has the same carb count. Which I think is 3.9g per 100. Although the Fage one is on offer at the moment so I bought that instead this week.

I could eat a big pot in a sitting though so tend not to buy it too often!

styledilemma · 31/05/2017 09:14

I had a pleasant surprise yesterday.
A top that was a bit snug on now fits nicely, especially across the chest area. I'm more pleased about that than the numbers on the scales! Smile
I think I am going to start measuring myself as well as weighing.. I just have to find the tape measure.

I can't believe I'm well into the second week. I've usually given up on things by now. It just goes to show what you can achieve with the right support.

Cookingongas · 31/05/2017 09:15

Mrs - I'm new to this thread but have bc before and i oil liberally. As you say- straight from the bottle. With a puddle at the end. Same with butter. And the cream sauces on courgette /chicken/ mushroom stroganoff.

styledilemma · 31/05/2017 09:16

myshining I don't think there's such a thing as too much fat, especially at the beginning.

styledilemma · 31/05/2017 09:19

nosocks I think most people are using Total full fat.

Naschkatze · 31/05/2017 09:24

Redbeanie I definitely have a sweet tooth (hence username!) I have occasionally missed something sweet but generally it's been ok so far. Like others have said I've put a touch of vanilla extract into yoghurt, add double cream and it's like a dessert. I used to have sugar in tea/coffee but I'm not missing that now either. If I do get a sugar craving and distraction doesn't work then I get myself a spoon of cream/coconut oil/peanut butter!

prettybird · 31/05/2017 09:33

Going to join in again - have been depressed and put on faaaar to much weight Sad Went to a wedding on Friday and am horrified by the photographs from it. Shock (That and the depressing experience I had while trying to buy something for it).

Actually started back on Low Carb last Thursday so will update the spreadsheet when I'm back on the laptop.

I've given myself a long term goal of a pound a week on average for the next 50 weeks, which, after the initial woosh of the first week will get me back to my "fighting" weight in time for my 20th wedding anniversary (although still a stone heavier than I was then Wink)

JiminnyCricket · 31/05/2017 09:34

RedBeanie I'm going to tell you what I've experienced with this WOE and hopefully you'll join us!

I'm chronically obese, by that i mean I've never in my life been in a BMI weight range lower than obese, for the last 5 years I've been morbidly obese.

This, I know now, is because I've been on a low fat, high carb diet since I was a small kid. My mum put me on slimfast when i was 7 years old because the doctor warned her I was very overweight even then. Don't judge her, it was the 90's.

Since that time I reliably gained about a stone a year despite a traditionally healthy diet. I topped out at christmas this year (I'm 26) at 19st 1lbs.

I feel like I didn't eat much differently from my friends and in fact had never experienced fast food until I went to Uni at 18. There has never been a period of time in my life where I haven't been on some form of caloric restrictive diet. Despite that though, I was obese and insulin resistant and on the borderline of diabetes. At 26.

What I did have which seemingly my friends didnt was an overwhelming frequency of intense cravings for sugar and fat. I fought them back mostly, but there were times when I'd be clawing my hands into my hips to stop myself having cake in the office, or taking different routes home in the car to avoid petrol stations/ KFC to prevent myself from stopping off and getting whatever I was craving. One memorable night I took a 40 minute detour to avoid a single petrol station because I knew I couldnt drive passed one without stopping. I had a massive amount of food guilt and felt like my cravings for food were a weakness of character. I was a bad person because I craved.

I was on weight watchers for the 2 years before BC, and found I could have a good breakfast at 9 and be starving by 11. In a similar way, I'd have a full on roast dinner at 6:30pm and be so hungry by 9 that I'd trip up and fall head first into a hot chocolate and WW biscuits. I could convince myself that all this was perfectly fine and normal because i was on a diet, and you were supposed to be hungry. That's how you lose weight right? Despite all this I found I couldnt stick to the plan consistantly and although there were periods of time when I did lose weight (the lowest I got to was 17st 13lbs), I'd go to group most weeks and be tutted at for "cheating" and told it was my fault the plan wasnt working for me, I wasnt strong enough.

It all came to a head on new years day this year. I threw myself back into WW (I was back up at 19st 1lb) and used the momentum of new year new start to really really kick it into gear. Unfortunately for me this meant a very very unhappy life. I was eating fruit and yog for breakfast, was starving hungry by 11am so having a bag of WW crisps, then diving on lunch which was usually a tiny sandwich with salad in it and another yoghurt. THen I was starving at 3 so I'd have chocolate and a cup of tea, then dinner would be rice/ pasta/ potatoes, a tiny amount of very low fat meat and some veg. The cravings were still there so strongly that there was more than 1 occasion I was in tears over it.

Anyway, I lost 10lbs from Jan 1st to Feb 8th and felt good about that, until DP came home one night to me crying my eyes out because I'd eaten some pizza I'd found in the freezer. Frozen, because cooking it would have taken too long and I was craving so badly i needed it that second. He cuddled me and basically said no more weight watchers, it wasn't worth this.

Now, I'm getting married in April 2018 and want so badly to lose weight by then, so the thought of being cast adrift without a diet for the first time at this critical time in my life was terrifying. I recognised my problem was craving, so I started researching what cravings are, what they do and why certain people get them more than others.

Long story short, I stumbled across LCHF and subsequently this thread and my very skeptical self decided to give it a go just to prove it wrong and get it out of my head so I could go back to weight watchers.

The rest is history really, this is basically it:

Felt like death from day 4 until day 10, craved like mad but stuck it out because at this point, it was an experiement and I needed a fair test.

Day 10 woke up and wasnt hungry. Weirdest feeling ever. Had a slight craving later in the day for something sweet but it passed really quickly after I ate my dinner.

Haven't really had a craving for anything since.

I've eaten this way since 8th Feb, lost 31lbs so far and dont really have to think about it anymore, it's second nature. The hardest bit was the first week when I was breaking my sugar addiction but since then it's really been a doddle.

For the first time in my adult life I'm eating proper food, my skin is glowy, I'm sleeping better and best of all, my cravings are now monthly if that, not daily and no where near as strong. I'm enjoying the food I eat but it's no longer the centre of my day. I'm just not hungry, ever.

You won't believe a word of that last bit until you experience it but I promise you, if you stick to the rules you can break a lifetime of poor nutrition habits in 10 weeks.

If someone like me who statistically doesnt have a chance at a healthy weight can do this shit, you definately can.

RedBeanie · 31/05/2017 09:34

Thanks everyone, I really appreciate your thoughts and welcome!

Are you saying you can have as much eg double cream in a day as I can tolerate? So creamy coffee/tea as much as I want - or should there be a limit? And is Greek yoghurt preferable to natural yoghurt?

Naschkatze is peanut butter allowed?

Presumably ice cream is out?

What happens after boot camp is finished? Do people who have done this before find that they revert back to old eating habits and the weight comes back, or are these good habits likely to stick? Exciting!

Veryflummoxed · 31/05/2017 09:37

Yolo hard boiled eggs. Left over meat, sausages, belly pork slices. Ham and cheese roll up. Cherry toms, cucumber slices, celery and cream cheese. Cheese. (My breakfasts are usually leftovers not "breakfast food"
Sweeteners are out
NSV non scale victory

And what a fantastically enthusiastic thread this morning

Veryflummoxed · 31/05/2017 09:40

Fage Total and Llidl's full fat Greek is what I use

ilovecherries · 31/05/2017 09:42

Yolo, I'm finding myself less and less interested in breakfast, and I used to be starving for it. I'm making myself have something small and light at the moment because I promised myself I'd follow the rules verbatim, but how about hard boiled eggs, cold low carb sausages with some leaves, a salad with some olive oil in a separate jar, pate with either cucumber of celery sticks. Anything there appeal?

Veryflummoxed · 31/05/2017 09:43

? I tend to glug it on from the bottle and then there'll be a delicious pool on the plate to drink at the end. That's too much isn't it?
That's what I do. My butter pools too. Anyone going to tell us we shouldn't?

JiminnyCricket · 31/05/2017 09:45

RedBeanie for yoghurt look at the carb contents on the packet, total is the lowest carb one we've found to date.

Yes, you can eat as much cream etc as you like, trust me you won't eat that much, it's horribly filling!

Peanut butter is allowed on bootcamp light, not in the first 2 weeks.

Icecream is out due to the sugar obviously, but you can make icecream buy mixing 3 tbsp yoghurt, a hand full raspberries, a teaspoon of pure cocoa powder and a table spoon of peanut butter togather and freezing it. Not ok in the first 2 weeks but ok as a treat after that :)

After bootcamp is finished you have a choice: Eat the way you did before and gain weight, or adopt this way of eating as just "the way you eat" and maintain a healthy weight forever. Obviously you have treats occasionally and can up your carbs a bit, but the principle of low carb, high fat isn't a diet you just stop sticking to, it's a full time adjustment.