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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Week 7 - Pre-summer Low Carb Bootcamp - our last four weeks ...

223 replies

BIWI · 27/06/2016 07:11

Morning all

As usual, the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

No time to chat this morning - an early start at work - but hope you all have good results

Flowers
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eleven59 · 28/06/2016 14:58

So BIWI, if I don't eat bread, rice, pasta but slowly reintroduce a little fruit, that would be within the 100g? I really have no idea of proportions etc as this is the first diet I've ever done. I think for me that would be doable - I'm really not missing refined carbs now.

wombattoo · 28/06/2016 17:02

I've updated s/s
momofgirls That is a great weight loss. You must be thrilled.
flyright As BIWI says, it's best not to think of traditional breakfast.
I also work in an office. I often take in hard boiled eggs or egg mayo. Sometimes I scramble eggs in the microwave. Today I took 1 hard boiled egg and a couple of slices of smoked salmon with mayo.
I use up leftovers such as cold burgers or ham with mayo as a dip. Cold belly pork is a favourite of mine sprinkled with salt or even a bowl of tuna mayo. Lush

Nivea101 · 28/06/2016 17:19

Sorry to butt into your post BIWI as I didn't want to see anybody derail themselves like I did after all my hard work. Still at least I stopped at the 10 lb mark and didn't go up to my original weight. Onwards and downwards!!

Veryflummoxed · 28/06/2016 17:40

I take olives. Pieces of cheese. Celery sticks filled with soft cheese or peanut butter. Slices of cooked belly pork. Chunks of cucumber. Cherry tomatoes (limited). Salad leaves/lettuce. Pepperami (occasional ) pork scratchings (occasional).

lasttimeround · 28/06/2016 21:18

Another bingey day but again cal wise not too bad.
I drank the pickle water - deeeelicious! Ha ha

NotdeadyetBOING · 28/06/2016 21:35

Some excellent ideas, Very Flumoxed. Thank you.

BIWI · 29/06/2016 08:14

lasttimeround

Overeating today - brexit sorrow. But added it up on mfp and still 1800cals not so bad given I can eat double that if carb bingeing
Another bingey day but again cal wise not too bad

I'm not quite sure you've grasped what Bootcamp is all about! We're not bothered about calories, but we 8are* bothered by carbs.

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Mookbark · 29/06/2016 09:23

Morning. Crap day yesterday. Don't know why. I was hungry, so I had breakfast and lunch one after the other. But was still hungry, so went to the shop at work, which was a really stupid thing to do because know that they don't have anything lc. So, I bought high carb crap. And went back for more Blush
However, today is another day. I am back here. I have packed loads and loads of food for today, so I don't run out and I'm back on it. Yesterday was my second binge day since I stated this BC, which actually is a lot less than previously and the important thing is, I haven't ran away and hid. I am back here and ready to put it behind me.

lasttimeround · 29/06/2016 09:37

BIWI - I know so my posts are mainly to note that at least I'm sticking to the food group rules. But I do find I don't lose weight if I eat too much and that way lies disappointment and carb danger.

Anyway I'm all set today. Meals planned and determined to eat my meals and 1 snack and then stop eating. I'm not hungry just upset and I don't need to eat.

I'm also someone with a tendency to binge which is quite effectively suppressed by low carb so I'm interested in my emotional eating on boot camp in terms of cals. If it's a problem to discuss that on here I can keep quiet

flyright · 29/06/2016 09:41

thanks so much BIWI and Wombatoo
and well done Mookbark on getting back in the saddle

On the positive I am noticing i'm less hungry and snacking less - not not snacking at all but less. And yes I do often not have breakfast but eat my youghurt and berries with my lunch. I do feel I have to have them with me just in case - sometimes I have them at 11ish.

I'm quite happy with eating anything at breakfast time as well - I'm just fussy - that's half the problem. Love scrambled eggs or omelette, frittata things but cant eat them when the yellow and white are separate - so hard boiled no good. Hate salad - cold veg no good, I think its the variety of textures but will eat quite a lot of cooked veg. I'm conscious of my own ridiculousness.

Feeling positive today - back down to my lowest after the weekend so stand a good chance of this week showing a loss on Monday - no big plans for the weekend so will keep the alcohol down. Thanks for the support.

Whistle73 · 29/06/2016 09:57

Hullo all, a bit late to the thread this week but another pound gone. I have now lost over a stone since January which I'm really pleased about.
Re-discovering my old wardrobe has been very rewarding!
Well done to all the downers this week and KOKO to the uppers!

NotdeadyetBOING · 29/06/2016 10:03

FWIW, Moobark and lasttime, I am absolutely fine about you mentioning binge triggers/temptation etc. I think that a disordered approach to eating is something (sadly) which is normal for the vast majority of women - just a question of degree. I agree that this LC woe seems to really help curb the desire to binge whereas carbs just fuel it - they light the touch paper somehow. Well they do for me, anyway...

Anyway - each day is a fresh start and beating oneself up about imperfections makes things worse not better. KOKO all!

BIWI · 29/06/2016 10:59

Agree with Notdead - this is absolutely the place to discuss our relationship with food. It's a really complex area, and if there's anyone here who can help or give you any important insights about how to manage things, then that's fantastic.

And agree - again! - with Notdead that beating ourselves up about past behaviour is pointless. Yes, we should learn from it, but not go on punishing ourselves. Just plan for a better, hopefully less disordered future!

(Let's face it, if food was a simple matter, probably none of us would be here Smile)

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PlayNice · 29/06/2016 11:26

I really like seeing other people talk about binge eating. I do it too, badly. One thing I'm trying to learn at the moment is that it's not bad to have a cheat meal, or even cheat weekends when it's social. It's when I sit by myself and eat until I feel sick that my diet spirals out of control.

I read in Sugar: The Bitter Truth, that carbs stop your body from recognising the hormone that signals fullness/satiety. I definitely experience that. At a certain point in a LC diet, I'll find myself eating FF yogurt and just stopping half way through a bowl, or only eating one bite of cheese. If I'm eating carbs, I find it almost impossible to stop until I've eaten every bit that's in the house.

WilfSell · 29/06/2016 11:35

Yeah, many (most?) of us might just have to acknowledge that we're addicts. Not in a jokey way, in a real 'there are serious consequences if you have one carb hit' way.

I've actually found it really helpful this time round (I've lapsed loads of times) to use some of the cringey AA mantras - mostly accepting that I have NO control over it, therefore abstinence is the only way.

It has also helped to read Michael Mosley's (and the DietDoctor and Jason Fung's) latest stuff about diabetes. I am sure I am/was heading that way, though not been tested. At nearly 50 and morbidly obese, I have to get real about my health. I want to LOOK great again (and that's a pretty powerful motivator in itself) but I want not to be disabled/dead MORE as I still have young children to care for.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 29/06/2016 11:44

I've found Jason Fung's The Obesity Code a real eye opener. It makes perfect sense to explain why I put weight on in the first place and why I struggled to lose it and keep it off. For me, it was a combination of high stress and way too much sugar/carbs.
Think I need to relax a bit about the occasional cheat meal - we are visiting family soon and I know that the food is likely to be pasta/pizza or curry. It would be the first time I've eaten those since boot camp started.

PlayNice · 29/06/2016 11:51

I agree, to an extent. I definitely think that some foods work like an addiction for me, although I wouldn't extend that to all carbs. I can stop eating something like quinoa or butternut squash. I even managed to stop eating half a mini-bar of G&B dark chocolate yesterday, and it was only 70%! I think I can envision a future where those foods are back in my diet with some regularity. It's the high GI carbs that get me. I rarely stop eating milk chocolate or biscuits or crisps until they're all gone, and I don't even generally particularly like crisps.

I love Lustig's book (Sugar: The Bitter Truth), and he has a lot of interesting things to say about the toxic food environment that surrounds us, which combines high carb with high fat, and low fibre which means you don't stay full for long and leads to insulin spikes/crashes because digestion is so fast. He had a chart at the back where LC foods were green and you could eat them as much as you liked, and then there were orange foods you could have 2-3 times a week, and then red foods (the biscuits and crisps) which were meant to be rare treats. I like to hope I could eat like that one day, and be able to relax on weekends. Or perhaps maybe move to something similar to the Mediterranean diet for maintenance.

I only say this because I think the prospect of no carbs ever can be scary for some people (me), and make breaking and binging and failing seem inevitable. But I do hope that the future brings a lower sugar world that makes LC an easier diet to follow long-term, because I do think it's the healthiest.

One 'lame' AA style mantra I try and remember is that I haven't failed until I've stopped trying, even if I've had a terrible day or week. I'm still on the path.

Nivea101 · 29/06/2016 12:21

boldly Dr Jason Fung is the expert who's has made the most sense to me in my life. I have just finished reading his book and have watched most videos and I had NO IDEA that my insulin was spiking all day when I was doing low carb because a few times a day I was sucking on those little sugar free sweets you get in Holland and Barrett (keto breath) and so even though I thought I was fasting I wasn't really because my insulin was up and down all day long, what an eye opener that was!! I'm still having stevia in my 2 morning cups of tea at the moment but I'm trying to wean myself off them.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 29/06/2016 13:10

I totally understand the addiction to carbs. I had been following 5:2 prior to this and was finding it quite straightforward but had a moment of madness where I got a couple of digestives to have with my tea and then went back and ate another 4 despite not being hungry as I'd just had lunch! I didn't seem to be able to stop eating them! It was what triggered me to come here and try a completely different way of eating - I really felt I needed the discipline of low carb to try and reset my system.
So far it seems to be working although I haven't risked eating any biscuits!

Veryflummoxed · 29/06/2016 13:41

Didn't post my food yesterday as the app was playing up so will do it now. Nothing interesting but I've posted every meal so far

B hard boiled eggs and green salad
L him asparagus soup and pork scratching so
D ham. Mixed salad and dressing. Ff Fage yogurt.
Teas and water.

I love bread but that definitely starts my craving. It's like tuning on a switch. I am trying to envisage a sandwich free future. At times it feels possible.

PlayNice · 29/06/2016 14:54

Woah, just watched the first part of Fung's Aetiology of Obesity, and it's so good. You're so right about the clarity of the way it shows how calorie reduction doesn't work. Argh. Must stop snacking (she says as she eats a spoonful of peanut butter).

Nivea101 · 29/06/2016 16:26

PlayNice he is also on the Diet Doctor I'm on a 30 day free trial at the moment after that I think it's $9 USD per month, there are loads of videos to watch, fab recipes (though some are a bit high fat for me personally) meal plans, before and after pics which always inspire me to stay on track and there's even a Q & A part where you can ask the experts including Dr Jason Fung any concerns you may have. There is naturally also a Fung FB group :D

wombattoo · 29/06/2016 17:19

Hello everyone. Hope you're all having a good day. I'm off to check out Dr Fung Grin

Veryflummoxed · 29/06/2016 18:04

Hi all. Todays food

Brunch tuna mayo, boiled egg, green leaves dinner curried roasted breast of lamb. Green leaves. Wanheda's courgette and mint salad. This is delicious for anyone who hasn't tried it, it has become a regular event in our house.

Tea and that reminds me to fill up my water bottle.

Mookbark · 29/06/2016 18:05

Thanks everyone. I love these threads, I've got just the support I needed today and it veers off to discuss something I haven't thought about/ known about before. Grin I've downloaded the Jason Fung book on kindle and have read the first few chapters - very interesting and struck lots of chords with me. I might even be enjoying it more than the John Briffa book.

Today has been easy. I was expecting to struggle with post-carb binge cravings, but I've been fine and really pleased with myself for getting right back to it.
Food today has been:
B - two creamy coffees
L - mackerel pate (tinned mackerel mixed with soft cheese) on celery, cucumber and mushrooms
D - I have pork belly slices in the oven, Mmm, can't wait. Will be having with mashed celeriac/leeks and asparagus. I'm going to sauté the asparagus in coconut oil, but drizzle some butter over for good measure.

I've been to the gym again today and did some weights again. Had to be rescued when I almost got squashed after doing overhead presses and missing the notch to put the bar back! Oops!

It is amazing what difference a day makes. I feel so much more positive today.
Thanks again everyone Flowers