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The inbetween BC BC for those who didn't do as well as they should on the real BC

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SayraT · 06/04/2015 18:41

Ok, some of us (me) didn't do very well on the real actual BC and some others just feel the need to have a little extra push before the next real BC so this is our inbetween BC BC Grin

I'll start, I'm currently 222 lb and want to be 217 lb by the start of the real BC (11th May). I will be recording my food daily to keep on track, I am also going to weigh daily.

Food

B: Flax wrap with butter, coffee with cream
L: M&S salad, ff yog
S: S&V peanuts (none left now so I'll have normal nuts or none at all)
D: Cauli-rice with hot smoked salmon

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Gcalgske · 13/04/2015 22:33

I add melted coconut oil to scrambled eggs when whisking them up. They are YUM and very filling.

Gcalgske · 13/04/2015 22:38

Beer I can go 6 weeks without a loss of weight then lose 4kg over night! Keep on. Try not to lose heart. Your menu looks fab (if a little low in veg) except for the wine and maybe the chilli if it has beans? The beans bump up the carb count a lot. I love bean-less chilli and my Texan friends tell me that REAL chilli has no beans anyway!

DarkEvilMoon · 13/04/2015 22:39

Grin I ended up with huge amounts of green tomato chutney last year as a result of growing tomatoes. Used to grow loads but it requires you being around too look after them, struggled the last couple of years to successfully grow anything. Plus they have messed about with the seeds so that they are high yield and higher disease resistance, so even if you grow them they are still less flavoursome. If i can get my health to the point where it is better for sustaining growth of veg, I am going to hunt down some old fashioned veg seeds. Legend has it that if you know the right people you might be able to acquire some. It will be some sort of ninja mission to find the seeds Grin
Not lucky enough to have a local farmers market.

nappyaddict · 13/04/2015 22:42

Gcalgske do you use unrefined coconutty coconut oil or refined tasteless coconut oil?

readyforno2 · 13/04/2015 22:51

Beer, I was one of the ones who didn't lose for a good few weeks on the last bc. It's really disheartening isn't it?! I am no guru like Sayra and BIWI but I can tell you this woe does work. Just stick at it. I lost 6st 12lb last year.. If I can do that, anything is possible.

trashcanjunkie · 13/04/2015 22:57

beer I gained half a bloody stone when I first began, I followed the rules to the letter, but I found I had to eat much much less than I thought. Don't get me wrong I never went hungry, but I honestly needed to eat about one third of what I had been. Really watch your portions, make dead sure you are eating fat:protein:carbs, and that your protein and carbs bit is titchy. I had to drink four bastard litres a day at first. I'm down to three now. I had to cut dairy out for months due to gut probs, but that really helped. I kept in butter and mayo. I still have to be super careful with cheese and yoghurt.

Basically, you need to pay scientific grade attention to what goes in vs weekly results. I'd also advocate good scales, making sure you weigh first thing in the morning, after a piss, naked if poss, and on a completely stable floor. And finally it is very worthwhile measuring your arms, thighs and waist at the narrowest point. If you're exercising it may be that you are gaining muscle, which is obvs heavier, and if I exercise I retain fluid for a couple of days. So having your measurements shows things are moving even if the scales aren't showing.

BIWI · 13/04/2015 23:13

beerbelly

Ladies, my commitment is wobbling... I am on day 7 and have kept my carbs low (below 30g) and my fats high every day. But I have not lost anything (in fact, may have gained a couple of pounds - our scales are a bit dodgy!)

Well, get yourself some new scales! You don't need to worry about your exact carb level on Bootcamp. That's the whole point of Bootcamp - to make it easier for you. Just follow the rules and you will be fine

I have exercised every day, alternating between workout DVDs, running or brisk walking (can't believe how much harder running up hill has become since starting the diet!) so my net calories have been somewhere around 1500.

You will find exercise harder until you're fat adapted, which will take at least two weeks

I did have a couple of evenings out and drank wine, but have read that dry white wine is low carb.

Just because it's low carb doesn't mean that it's allowed! And if you were drinking alcohol it will mean that all your body has been doing is burning that as fuel, rather than burning fat

What is going wrong? Did anyone else take over a week to lose anything?

You've gone wrong by not following the rules! As has been pointed out, the carbs you will have consumed in the wine, plus the fact that your body will use the alcohol for fuel, means that the time you could have been losing weight has been deferred now

And from your second post:

Thanks Sayra. Don't want to bore you with everything I ate

for us to really help you, we need to see at least two days' worth of food/meals/drinks, if not more

...but, as an example on Friday:
B: Two eggs and three rashers of bacon

Perfect. I hope they were all fried?

L: Cubes of avocado, cudes of cheese and smoked salmon

Well, this doesn't sound like much food - how much avocado, how much cheese, how much salmon?

D: Chilli con carne with cheese on top

^Did the chilli have beans in it? Did you also use onion and tomatoes - they can get pretty carby pretty quickly. Where is your veg? You should be getting your carbs from veg and salad, and you need the nutrients from veg and salad.

Plus four glasses of dry white wine with soda water.

Alcohol is not allowed in the first two weeks of Bootcamp

Is that really bad? Sorry for not following the rules - couldn't open the link!

Why didn't you say?! We could have posted them for you! Have you tried the link again?

BIWI · 13/04/2015 23:13

Heman I'm watching you even while you sleep ... Grin

DarkEvilMoon · 13/04/2015 23:24

Which is why we love you BIWI you always got our backs, even if you are waving your big stick at the same time Grin

Gcalgske · 13/04/2015 23:28

Nappy I use biona cuisine which is gently steamed to remove the taste but not heavily refined. I find it makes things taste buttery which the heavily refined coconut oil doesn't.

imustbepatient · 13/04/2015 23:39

Oh fantastic thanks Sayra, I've just found this thread and it is just what I need to get back into it again. I was disappointed with my BC results and fell off the wagon at the end of it a bit a lot suffice to say the weight gain was a pretty quick reminder of why I need to keep BCing...

So I shall steel my resolve and climb back on again. Right, now to read the rest of the thread!

LexLoofah · 14/04/2015 02:39

b - leftovers of hb egg, bacon, half avo and hm mayo, cuppa
L- more leftovers of slow cooker pork, olives, pickles, watercress, hm mayo
D - was way too full still to want any kind of meal so had a bit of ham and cheese while making the school lunches, tbh have been not very hungry at dinner time last few weeks, perhaps it is time to try intermittent fasting, esp as DH is away this week so can't complain if there is no dinner ?!

Hmm very oink tastic day though, must try to plan better

BabsUnited · 14/04/2015 07:19

Yesterday's food:

B: 2x scrambled eggs with butter, on handful of spinach
L: roast chicken thighs, skin on, 2x slice Edam, Mayo (hellmans full fat, no time to make own at moment)
D: bolognese made with bacon, one can tinned toms, 15% fat beef mince, and I think some mushrooms went in there (dh cooked), with courgette batons fried in butter
About 3 litres of water and two glasses of soda water and lime (was given cordial rather than the fresh lime I asked for - was at the pub)

So a good day I think apart from the lime cordial which I'm sure had sugar in HmmAngry

BabsUnited · 14/04/2015 07:20

Thanks for snack suggestions by the way. Going to shop on way to work to get celery, pate, pork scratchings, and some more salad veg. Have leftover celeriac gratin for lunch which I'll have with salad with olive oil and/or Mayo Grin

nappyaddict · 14/04/2015 07:39

BIWI Do we have to weigh in weekly with BC or can we weigh in less often, say monthly? Just thinking it might help with demotivation for a lot of people if plateaus are common.

BabsUnited · 14/04/2015 08:52

Good idea nappy

SayraT · 14/04/2015 08:56

nappy I will make up a spreadsheet with everyone from BC on it, there will be a space to weigh in weekly but you can weigh in monthly if you want. There may also be the weight tracker which MNHQ run for us if they can. The spreadsheet is public and the weight tracker is private.

Of course, you don't have to use either and can weigh as often or as little as you like.

beer it wouldn't bore me (or BIWI) to see the whole week of meals. It helps if people are stuck to see exactly what they have eaten.

whoever asked about the eggs (sorry I can't remember) sometimes two eggs fills me sometimes it doesn't! Today I had two eggs fried in butter and three rashers or streaky bacon as well as coffee with cream. Occasionally I just have the coffee, depends how I feel when I wake up.

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BIWI · 14/04/2015 09:03

Well, Bootcamp only lasts for 10 weeks, so that would only 2.5 weigh-ins - and it's sort of set up on the basis that we all weigh in every Monday.

However, obviously if you find it demotivating, then it's entirely up to you when you weigh.

But also I should point out, plateaus aren't something to happen to everyone - especially not if you've just started.

There are alternative strategies here, and it's best to find the one that works for you.

Some of us weigh daily - that helps to keep us on track - but you have to be able to cope psychologically with the fact that the scales do go up and down (quite naturally) on a daily basis, and it can feel quite depressing if they go up when you know that you've been following the plan.

So if you're a daily weigher, you could also consider

a) taking an average weight for the week
b) taking the lowest weight for the week

Alternatively, you could just weigh in once a week/once a fortnight/once a month - to suit you. But make sure that this isn't an excuse for avoiding the scales!

You might also like to consider different ways of measuring weight loss - these can actually be more reassuring (and more accurate) than the scales. For some reason, the scales can sometimes remain unchanged despite weight loss - which you can measure by

a) the fit of your clothes
b) taking measurements (bust/waist/hips/thighs/upper arms)

Something that can really help to keep you focused, and to reassure you that it's working - because when you get to the stage where you're losing gradually it can be hard to believe that you are really losing! - is to find an item of clothing that is currently too tight. Not massively so, but something that you just can't fit into comfortably, and keep trying these on once a week.

SayraT · 14/04/2015 09:09

THE RULES

These are the BC rules for the first two weeks.

1. Eat three proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn't have to be a lot, and it doesn't have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn't be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).

After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!).

Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3. Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food.
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5
High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt."

7. No alcohol.
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit.
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds.

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners.
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

THE RULES BClite

After the first two weeks some of the rules are relaxed slightly, I have listed the changes here.

1. Eat when you’re hungry - if you’re not hungry, don’t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you’re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don’t force yourself to eat. But don’t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

  1. Avoid processed food
  1. Eat lots of fat
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn’t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.
If you’ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this – but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you’re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please – only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information – these are the carb counts:
Rhubarb – 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don’t forget you will need to sweeten this – and not with sugar!)
Blackberries – 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries – 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries – 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.
Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury’s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.
Here are some carb counts – BUT – check the back of your packets as I don’t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:
Brazils 3.1g carbs per 100g
Walnuts 3.3g carbs per 100g
Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Hazelnuts 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us – and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable – occasionally – to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

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BIWI · 14/04/2015 09:11

Brilliant. Thanks Sayra Star

nappyaddict · 14/04/2015 09:38

BIWI Could we add a body fat % column for those that want it? have just found http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00OP4XRVG/ref=mp_s_a_1_28?qid=1429000219&sr=8-28&pi=AC_SX110_SY165&keywords=body+fat+scales these body fat scalea on Amazon for £8.95. I think they might be helpful for some people that may have lost fat but it isn't showing in lbs.

I have lost 4lb in my first week not sure if that is good, bad, average? My start weight was 10 stone 12, I am 26 and 5 foot 3.5".

nappyaddict · 14/04/2015 09:38

blimming links!!

SayraT · 14/04/2015 09:46

nappy no sorry, the spreadsheet take up a lot of my time as it is and its already huge (people have trouble opening/loading it) so I'm not willing to add a BF %age to it anyway.

BF scales are generally not very reliable and I don't think that over a week people will lose a considerable %age of BF.

Most people who want to record "extras" such as BF or measurements just do that themselves, you can share it on the thread.

I think that 4lbs sounds good but just be aware that you won't lose 4lbs every week. Some weeks (weeks 3-5) you may STS or gain weight. Just KOKO (Keep On, Keeping On) and the weight will come off. 1-2lbs per week is ideal but some people don't lose each week then lose a chunk in a big whoosh Grin

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sassandfaff · 14/04/2015 10:32

Morning.

I think the other thread died a death, and everyone is on here anyway, so I'll jump on board if that's OK?

I'm keeping on. Mostly managing to limit the cheese yogurt and choc. Not so much at the weekends mind!

I am now 13.4, so that's about 4/5 lbs since BC ended. Very pleased.

My spiralizer arrived last week too and I love it. It tastes different from when I used the Julienne cutter.

I hope everyone is well? Smile

Gcalgske · 14/04/2015 10:39

Sass it's amazing how different courgette tastes spiralized rather than chopped isn't it? I didn't believe it until I tried it! What spiralizer did you get? I'm thinking of upgrading - I got a cheapo from Amazon which is f*cking difficult temperamental to use and I can't use it for celeriac....

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